[ansel12]

Catholics who follow what the Church teaches ARE conservative and pro-life. Those who don't, like all other leftists, put their politics/lifestyle ahead of their faith.

That is a useless thing to bother saying and frankly, 170 years of American voting history says different, what are we supposed to do now, go back to sleep and pretend that Catholics are not voting as they are (and almost always have in American history)and so nothing needs to be done?

We can't keep fighting to maintain a destructive, false illusion and denial of truth and reality, or America is doomed.

[Pyro7480]

I'm simply not following your continuing rant about 170 years of Catholic voting. Our focus has been on abortion, and that has only been an issue for the past 5 decades or so.

Before this, the moral voice of the Church stood up against communism and socialism.

I do not see the need of carrying this discussion further with you, because we're not going to convince each other of the validity of our positions.