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Welcome to the North American Lutheran Church!
NALC ^ | 8/27/10

Posted on 08/27/2010 10:26:53 AM PDT by SmithL

The NALC embodies the theological center of Lutheranism in North America. It is a church body committed to the authority of the Bible as the inspired Word of God and the authoritative source and norm of its proclamation, faith, and life. In keeping with the Lutheran Confessions, we believe all doctrines should and must be judged by the teaching of Scripture.

The NALC is committed to shaping its life around four attributes: Christ-Centered, Mission-Driven, Traditionally-Grounded, and Congregationally-Focused.

The NALC is a renewed Lutheran community moving forward in faith and mission, focused on living out Christ’s Great Commission to go and make disciples. We hope that you will see the NALC as a church body that will enable your congregation to carry out its mission and ministry faithfully.

Come on board!

(Excerpt) Read more at thenalc.org ...


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: lutheran; nalc

1 posted on 08/27/2010 10:26:55 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Hooray! Good for you! God bless your new denomination!


2 posted on 08/27/2010 10:28:26 AM PDT by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran Ping!

Be rooted in Christ!

3 posted on 08/27/2010 10:28:26 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: mbarker12474

No Homo pastors right?


4 posted on 08/27/2010 10:35:16 AM PDT by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: SmithL
Why start yet another new Lutheran denomination? Why not join one of the many EXISTING Lutheran denominations (Missouri Synod, Wisconsin Evangelicals, etc.) in North America if you're not happy with the ELCA? Most have churches from coast to coast.

Protestants seem to splinter on a weekly basis and there's always some faction out there starting a brand new denomination. No wonder the rest of us are confused.

5 posted on 08/27/2010 10:45:15 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Read here. http://www.unitedlutheranmission.org/

Not so easy to stay with one of the synods these days. They are all straying to some degree or another.

My family and another 20 or so people left our LCMS church after 15 years and began a small mission congregation sponsord by ULMA; not a synod. We are steeped in tradition and confessional Lutheranism.


6 posted on 08/27/2010 10:59:40 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: BillyBoy
Why start yet another new Lutheran denomination? Why not join one of the many EXISTING Lutheran denominations (Missouri Synod, Wisconsin Evangelicals, etc.) in North America if you're not happy with the ELCA? Most have churches from coast to coast.
I can't speak for all protestants, but any hope for any kind of Lutheran Unity was shattered at the ELCA's Church-wide Assembly 2009.

The Missouri Synod (LCMS), Wisconsin Synod (WELS), and other very conservative Lutheran bodies all celebrate closed communion and do not allow women pastors.

The ELCA is the only Lutheran body that allows non-celibate homosexual pastors.

Lutheran Congregations in Mission to Christ (LCMC) is a collection of Lutheran congregations instead of a formal church structure. LCMC celebrates open communion and has women pastors.

The new-formed North American Lutheran Church (NALC) has a formal nationwide church structure and will have bishops. NALC also celebrates open communion and has women pastors.

The issues of open/closed communion and women pastors are deal-breakers for a lot of Lutherans.

7 posted on 08/27/2010 11:29:18 AM PDT by SmithL
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To: SmithL

I knew WELS had closed communion, but I thought LCMS was open. Though I could easily be wrong.

Personally, I’m pro-open communion, and undecided on woman pastors.


8 posted on 08/27/2010 11:38:15 AM PDT by WildSnail (The USA now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: SmithL

It’s confusing when there are a zillion groups claiming to descended from Martin Luther’s teachings, and none of them are on speaking terms with each other.

The Roman Catholic Church and Byzantine Catholic Church have very different traditions. For example, the Roman branch does not allow married priests and the Byzantine branch does. Communion is done vastly differently in both denominations as well. Yet both are united and answer to the Pope. There are many other factions that many people haven’t even heard of, like the independently run “Eparchy of Križevci”. Yet they’re all under the Pope as well and in communion with other Catholic denominations.

Ditto with all the various denominations of Orthodox churches.

There are a few exceptions to the rule, renegage Catholic or Orthodox denominations not in communion with the rest, but they are very rare and often extremely small factions.

But not only are the various Protestant movements all doing their own thing, but they aren’t even on speaking terms with groups within their OWN movement. Southern Baptists want nothing to do with the National Baptist Church USA. LCMS wants nothing to do with ECLA and one LCMS member here told me she doesn’t even consider them to be Christians.

Bizarre stuff with protestantism.

As for me, Lutheranism comes from Catholicism, and I don’t believe Martin Luther himself ever objected to the church’s teachings with male-only pastors and closed communion. So I’d side with the LCMS here.


9 posted on 08/27/2010 11:49:41 AM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: WildSnail

The LCMS congregations I have associated with have open communion. As to women pastors, I have experienced them in the ELCA and found them to have chips on their shoulders.


10 posted on 08/27/2010 11:57:55 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (RAT Hunting Season started the evening of March 21st, 2010!)
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To: SmithL

It is a deal breaker with good reason.

1 Timothy 2:12-14 (New King James Version)
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.

Scripture teaches that the Lord’s Supper is a precious gift of God in which Christ gives us His true body and blood (in a miraculous way), together with the bread and wine, for the forgiveness of our sins and the strengthening of our faith. Because the Bible teaches that this sacrament may also be spiritually harmful if misused, and that participation in the Lord’s Supper is an act of confession of faith, traditional Lutheran pastors commune only those who have been instructed in the teachings of the church and who have confessed their faith in these teachings.

Close[d] Communion is for two main reasons. First, we are a close fellowship. We all believe and confess the same things, especially about Holy Communion. We express and celebrate that close Communion with each other when we commune together.

The second reason is more serious. Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 11:29 make it important for us to teach people about Holy Communion, or at least be sure they have been taught, before giving it to them. St. Paul wrote, “For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.” St. Paul gave instructions in this regard to the Christian congregation at Corinth (1 Cor. 11) regarding their responsibility to make certain that people receive the Sacrament to the blessing and not to their harm. It would be very irresponsible to let anyone and everyone receive Communion when they may very well be eating and drinking judgment on themselves. So as you can see, Christians commune not only as individuals, but also as persons who share the same confession of faith as formally confessed in the host church. It is important to emphasize that God has given to Christian congregations the responsibility of administering the Lord’s Supper properly and to exercise spiritual care toward all those who desire to commune.


11 posted on 08/27/2010 11:59:04 AM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: BillyBoy

If you are interested in clearing any confusion, read Luther’s Small Catechism and then see if the “Lutheran” church in question adheres to it. You will find that the synods have taken liberties and thus division has occurred. It’s really not so surprising.


12 posted on 08/27/2010 12:07:20 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: SmithL; lightman; Cletus.D.Yokel; bcsco; Nosterrex; Southflanknorthpawsis
The Missouri Synod (LCMS), Wisconsin Synod (WELS), and other very conservative Lutheran bodies all celebrate closed communion and do not allow women pastors. . . . The issues of open/closed communion and women pastors are deal-breakers for a lot of Lutherans.

And deal-essentials for biblical, historical, confessional Lutherans.

Any church body that deviates from the historic Christian practice of closed Communion and introduces the novum of "women pastors" is, by definition, in error.

13 posted on 08/27/2010 1:32:52 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Redleg Duke
The LCMS congregations I have associated with have open communion.

If they practice open communion, then they are not being faithful to the conditions of membership for the Missouri Synod.

14 posted on 08/27/2010 1:34:47 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: Charles Henrickson

AMEN, Pastor Henrickson !!!


15 posted on 08/27/2010 1:57:12 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: BillyBoy

There’s no such thing as an Orthodox or Roman Catholic “denomination”. The Church, whether Eastern or Western, is “pre-demoninational”.


16 posted on 08/27/2010 3:25:11 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: WildSnail

A few LCMS congregations are willing to share the body and blood of Christ with people that do not understand or are unwilling to acknowledge their true significance.


17 posted on 08/27/2010 3:32:55 PM PDT by Elsiejay (.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Well I would disagree. The Greek Orthodox Church, Russian Orthodox Church, Serbian Orthodox Church, etc., operate internally and have different empathizes and traditions. A Russian Orthodox bishop would not preside over a Greek Orthodox community. Ditto with the Roman Catholic Church, Byzantine Catholic Church, Maronite Church, etc. They all have their own traditions and are different, distinct denomations.

But I would agree they're all one holy catholic and apostalic church that was created by Jesus Christ himself.

In case of the east-west schism, the Catholics (all their denominations) now speak with one voice and the Orthodox (all their denominations) speak with one voice.

The protestant denominations speak with hundreds of thousands of voices and don't agree on anything, even if they come from the SAME traditions! What is Lutheranism? What is Calvinism? What is Pentacostalism? You'll get 20 different answers from 20 different bishops that all claim to be from those traditions. There's no central authority.

18 posted on 08/27/2010 4:05:03 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

The central authority for the true Christian church is Jesus Christ and the Word of God; not a person (i.e. pope), or a diocese or a synod, etc.


19 posted on 08/27/2010 7:30:03 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: SmithL

I sure wish some of the new orthodox denominations would craft more attractive acronyms...NALC? Or ACNA? (Anglican Church of North America) Or AMiA? (Anglican Mission in the Americas) etc. etc....

Acronyms become names (like Elca...), and ought to be considered really well, before coining titles for groups. Lutheran Church of America (LCA) would be better as at least that way folks would pronounce the letters (like they do with the LCMS) instead of making a government-law-enforcement sounding name with it....

The only good new acronym I know is CANA (Convocation of Anglicans in North America) due to it’s biblical roots.


20 posted on 08/27/2010 11:49:27 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Charles Henrickson

I think the practice of closed communion—that is communion reserved for denominational members only—is one big reason why NALC was formed. Orthodox evangelical former-ELCA congregations don’t want to join such a closed group such as the LCMS.

If the Church is invisible—and crosses denominational lines—(as even Roman Catholics acknowledge when they admit there are Christians outside of Roman Catholicism) then what right does a pastor have to deny holy Communion to a member in good standing of another part of the holy Catholic Church?

I never heard of Luther or Bugenhaggen denying communion to the many Christian visitors who came to worship and hear them preach.


21 posted on 08/28/2010 12:02:51 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: Redleg Duke

I’ve never heard of an LCMS church with open communion. I remember a few people getting snitty for being turned away and recall one couple berating my pastor for refusing to hand out a get-out-of-confirmation-class-free card to their kid. Why these strange and silly gooses objected to making their kid attend I don’t know unless they knew he was too lazy to study or they were too lazy to drive him to church.


22 posted on 08/28/2010 12:09:36 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: SmithL
A new lifeboat has arrived!


23 posted on 08/28/2010 11:46:52 AM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: lightman

Welcome back! I trust all went well.


24 posted on 08/28/2010 12:27:39 PM PDT by SmithL
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To: piasa

Closed communion (or “close” as some LCMSers call it) was standard practice in most if not all denominations up to say, 150 years ago. Then the idea came in that closely “fencing the table” was nearly impossible in practice (except when denying folk communion who were openly sinning, a practice which any church should follow) especially in larger churches. One just cannot know with any certainty at all, the status of the heart of a communicant, except in the most formal way (yes, they’ve been confirmed...so was Hitler as a R. Catholic, I think).

Also inroads were made with other denominations, (like the Reformed in Germany) when the German Protestant Church became unified (Lutheran (90%) and Reformed (less than 10%)) in the 1830s. These moves also happened to correspond with the development in scholarship of Higher Criticism in Germany....seeping over into England and the USA, which rejects the authority of Scripture.

This is why the LCMS was born—with German immigrants, in the 1830s and 40s, rejecting the earliest liberal theology (Higher Criticism) AND any sort of compromise or acknowledgement of the faith of other Protestants...specifically Calvinists (eg the Reformed).

This is to me what makes LCMS Lutherans so bewildering to other evangelical Christians such as myself. As a Calvinist, I have always been taught to have the highest admiration, agreement and respect for Martin Luther and his teachings...and yet conservative Lutherans have little if any regard for the serious bible scholarship of John Calvin.... So much so, that they in essence suspect I’m not even a Christian—since, their Communion table is closed to me.

I even accept the concept of the Real Presence of Jesus,in over, under, around and above, the Lord’s Supper, but, because I don’t join an LCMS congregation....your table is forbidden to me. To me, this is not the right hand of fellowship as I see in the New Testament—and in early Lutheranism.

I agree with probably 95% of evangelicals in America on this, that the Lord’s Table is His, and ought to be open to all baptized believers, who understand the gravity of holy Communion—and are reminded NOT to partake if they are not right with God, and their fellow man.


25 posted on 08/28/2010 4:37:06 PM PDT by AnalogReigns
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