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Man accused of killing church leader was former member of LDS church, felt wronged, brother says
August 30, 2010 | me

Posted on 08/30/2010 11:11:27 AM PDT by colorcountry

I can't post the article due to copywrite. But here is the link.

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/article/20100830/NEWS01/100830004/Man+accused+of+killing+church+leader+was+former+member+of+LDS+church++felt+wronged++brother+says


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Prayers sent for all who were affected by this crime!
1 posted on 08/30/2010 11:11:30 AM PDT by colorcountry
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To: colorcountry

Agreed


2 posted on 08/30/2010 11:17:48 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Elsie; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; FastCoyote; aMorePerfectUnion; ...
Working link

Ping

3 posted on 08/30/2010 11:20:56 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: colorcountry

The article mentions he was mentally ill (which is kind of obvious since he shot him because he was mad at his old Bishop from 1988).

Let’s be sure to leave that out of the thread title though huh? Keep twisting and see if you can make this the Church’s fault.


4 posted on 08/30/2010 11:26:01 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender

The article is titled correctly, according to FR
guidelines.

You may want to review them...


5 posted on 08/30/2010 11:28:00 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Paragon Defender
Let’s be sure to leave that out of the thread title though huh? Keep twisting and see if you can make this the Church’s fault.

What is wrong with you. I didn't leave anything out. I posted the heading just as it reads from the paper, and I'm not allowed to post the article, but I posted a link so all could go there an read.

You my FRiend are a piece of work!

6 posted on 08/30/2010 11:29:39 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Paragon Defender
Let’s be sure to leave that out of the thread title though huh? Keep twisting and see if you can make this the Church’s fault.

That's colorcountry's MO. Post anything that puts the Mormons in a bad light. "...Mormon (or former Mormon) does something bad...ergo.. Mormon Church bad..."

7 posted on 08/30/2010 11:30:55 AM PDT by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Paragon Defender

after all the mormon flame baiting, this post is necessary to clarify the unknowns and focus the real motives behind this unfortuate event. If the church was at fault, that should be known, but if this is just a kook - then let the facts become known as to why he murdered the bishop.


8 posted on 08/30/2010 11:31:09 AM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
I understand how ex-members can be pushed to the brink. This man definitely harbored animosity for 30 years against his former church.

He was only a teen then.

9 posted on 08/30/2010 11:32:38 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Paragon Defender

Hmmm. I wonder what his FR screen name was.


10 posted on 08/30/2010 11:33:09 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Auntie Dem
Watch out! Hey, everybody! This thread is all about ME!!

I posted a headline and I posted a link and I offered a prayer and you say this:

That's colorcountry's MO. Post anything that puts the Mormons in a bad light. "...Mormon (or former Mormon) does something bad...ergo.. Mormon Church bad..."

You're making it a bit personal aren't you? Or is that your MO?

11 posted on 08/30/2010 11:37:26 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: lady lawyer

“Hmmm. I wonder what his FR screen name was.

Occasionally, someone who portrays themselves as
(apparently) educated, makes a statement that is
so out of touch with reality and so infused with
emotion that I am left wondering just how dark
it is in their parent’s basement.

Yours was one of those posts.

Perhaps it’s time to invest some of your own money
in more light bulbs...?


12 posted on 08/30/2010 11:51:05 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: lady lawyer

Check your local ward roll councilor, or baptism records.


13 posted on 08/30/2010 11:51:12 AM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: colorcountry
I'm no expert when it comes to Mormons. I do know for a fact that any Mormon I have ever met will help you with just about anything and with no questions asked. They will give you the shirt off their back and not think twice about have doing so. That has been my personal experience.
14 posted on 08/30/2010 12:07:49 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: colorcountry

It’s all they got.

When the facts don’t break your way...


15 posted on 08/30/2010 12:08:54 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: isthisnickcool

I was one - born one - I’m married to one. Some are good, some are not. They are people, just like all other fallible, sinful people. Thank God we have the atonement of Christ - we need it - all of us!


16 posted on 08/30/2010 12:13:13 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: isthisnickcool

It’s called “fellowshipping”. Once they realize you are not going to join Mormonism, they will end any help they may have once provided.

They actually have a program for doing all this - just ask a former Mormon.


17 posted on 08/30/2010 12:15:27 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

Let’s see a mentally ill (accoding to killers brother) murders a Mormon church leader and father of 6 for some decades old grudge against a former church leader and a few here use this thread to express their anti Mormon feelings.

Pathetic


18 posted on 08/30/2010 12:34:28 PM PDT by skyman
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To: skyman

Really? Which post?


19 posted on 08/30/2010 12:36:41 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: colorcountry
They caught the other guy here in Kane County.
20 posted on 08/30/2010 12:38:48 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Mount Carmel Utah, where Mr. Milquetoast lives with his "Persecution Complex")
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To: skyman

I was responding to a post that had nothing to do with the article; and nothing to do with this murder.


21 posted on 08/30/2010 12:41:08 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: colorcountry
Funny isn't. It has been all over the past couple of days. The false accusations and attacks, the saying we are liars...

But when one asks for proof...

It just gets better and better. Like playing poker with a person who thinks bluffing is the point of the game, always draws a bad hand and has an obvious tell...

22 posted on 08/30/2010 12:44:48 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: colorcountry

Tell me Color, why did you ping all of the standard anti-Mormon(ism) gang in your post? Why would they need their attention drawn here? After all, you have no ulterior motives at all right? Shall I help you adjust your halo?


23 posted on 08/30/2010 12:55:26 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; Religion Moderator; colorcountry

Flame baiting paragon, knock it off.


24 posted on 08/30/2010 12:59:52 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Auntie Dem
Oh please.....

Read with some context next time....then post okay?

25 posted on 08/30/2010 1:02:34 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: lady lawyer
LOL!!

The possibilities are interesting.........

26 posted on 08/30/2010 1:03:38 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Paragon Defender
Well.....I'm ticked off!!!

I wasn't pinged!!

You FRiend are paranoid.

Why?

27 posted on 08/30/2010 1:05:51 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: SeaHawkFan
"Once they realize you are not going to join Mormonism, they will end any help they may have once provided."

These guys must have not got that memo. They know I'm not going to become a Mormon.

28 posted on 08/30/2010 1:11:34 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: Osage Orange

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see which one of the usual suspects no longer posts.


29 posted on 08/30/2010 1:23:54 PM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: lady lawyer; Osage Orange

You know, it’s HAS been ages since we’ve seen Old Mountain Man, or Rameuptom.


30 posted on 08/30/2010 1:30:43 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: lady lawyer; Osage Orange

You know, it’s HAS been ages since we’ve seen Old Mountain Man, or Rameumptom.


31 posted on 08/30/2010 1:31:02 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Godzilla; Religion Moderator; colorcountry

My intention was to prove a point which I do believe I did.

My halo comment was probably going too far. I could have worded it better and gotten that part of the point across.


32 posted on 08/30/2010 2:41:59 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
Funny, it seems we never get around to your point. or if we do we definitely never see the “proof”...

Not that we would want you to not met our expectations...

33 posted on 08/30/2010 2:48:10 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

Sorry I don’t know what you are talking about


34 posted on 08/30/2010 2:57:50 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: ejonesie22; All

I see now how the original post heading was straight from the article. My bad for sure. I think a very understandable mistake though considering the history of this boards ant-Mormon gang. I have come to expect attacks at every turn.

And the ping to all the anti-gang proves me right in my suspicion although my original idea was wrong.

There would be zero need to ping all the anti’s unless it was a call to come bash the Mormons in another thread. That is what they do here.


35 posted on 08/30/2010 3:11:23 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender; Religion Moderator; colorcountry

No, the only point you proved is that of a personal attack and flame baiting. It appears that some the minute a mormon thread is started knee jerk into tinfoil mode. Take a break, drink a neehi and READ the comments for a change, before making baseless accusations and personal attacks.


36 posted on 08/30/2010 3:14:22 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender
Of course the fact that it may have just been a ping to information as is common of FR is over looked...

I envy you LDS folk sometimes. You can make up any fact you want from trivial ones like this to entire cultures and civilizations, declare them fact and walk on despite the truth...

Would have made college interesting...

37 posted on 08/30/2010 3:27:21 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Godzilla; Religion Moderator; colorcountry

My point was proven quite well and not by me. CC did that for me. I did admit to kneejerk but it is quite understandable given the history of the anti-Mormon gang on this board. It is almost a daily occurrence. My statement is hardly baseless.

I don’t particularly like Nehi but thanks for the suggestion.


38 posted on 08/30/2010 3:28:51 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Godzilla

Um...

Am I reading it right?


39 posted on 08/30/2010 3:31:55 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

I think so.


40 posted on 08/30/2010 3:35:31 PM PDT by Godzilla ( 3-7-77)
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To: Paragon Defender

Apology accepted!


41 posted on 08/30/2010 3:40:29 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Godzilla
Yup, nothing like canceling out your own argument. In the same post no less...

Fish in barrel part 235...

42 posted on 08/30/2010 3:48:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: lady lawyer
Name the usual suspects.

I'd be interested in them....

43 posted on 08/30/2010 5:08:52 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: colorcountry; Old Mountain man
You know I miss OMM....

His...gentle and kind way was...so different..from the norm.

44 posted on 08/30/2010 5:13:40 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: colorcountry

Apology accepted!


Good deal. And a special thanks for you pinging the “gang” and proving my point for me. You rock.


45 posted on 08/30/2010 6:19:20 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: ejonesie22

Of course the fact that it may have just been a ping to information as is common of FR is over looked..


lol yeah... right. too funny


46 posted on 08/30/2010 6:37:57 PM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: lady lawyer
Waiting for the usual suspects.........

I expect to wait...a long time.

47 posted on 08/30/2010 7:41:02 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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His...gentle and kind way was...so different..from the norm.

He (OMM) did have a fixation/obsession with Billy Graham didn't he?

48 posted on 08/30/2010 7:54:36 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Nobody reads tag lines.)
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To: Paragon Defender
So PD...what exactly do you defend?

LDS, Inc? And it's billions of dollars? Ranches, Farm's, mall's, hotel's, radio station's, bank's, newspaper's, etc...

Or "the Church" and it's main "prophets" J. Smith, and B. Young?

Want to have a debate? I really don't mind...either would be good.

I await your reply.

49 posted on 08/30/2010 7:56:29 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: Paragon Defender
Wait I thought you just apologized for having this very kneejerk reaction?

And you wonder why it is so hard to take you seriously. You cant even keep your own story straight...

50 posted on 08/30/2010 8:12:36 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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