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THE RIGHT-DIVIDER'S POCKET STARTER (Dispensational; Non-Caucus)
My Own Writings | September 1, 2010 | John Leland 1789

Posted on 09/01/2010 9:01:12 AM PDT by John Leland 1789

THE RIGHT DIVIDER’S POCKET STARTER

This begins a series, in outline form, of basic dispensational themes. It was developed for teaching a young local assembly of Christians in the Philippines in the 1990’s.

We published this in 2002 in the form of a pocket guide, and used it widely in the Philippines.

This is in outline form. I look forward to reading any comments that properly contribute to the outline.

Here is Part One

Ages (see also Dispensations)

1. Age of Gentiles (Genesis chs. 1-11; Romans 1:18-32)

a. Times of Positive Volition see Innocence Genesis chs 1 & 2.

b. Times of Negative Volition see Conscience Genesis chs. 3-10.

c. Times of Nationalism see Human Government Genesis ch. 11

2. Age of Israel (Genesis 12 through Malachi. Includes the Gospels, minus John chs. 13-17. Includes The Revelation through ch. 20. Prophetically may also include Hebrews through Jude.)

a. Times of the Patriarchs: Abraham to Moses see Promise

b. Times of the Law: Moses to Christ see Law

c. Times of Trouble/Tribulation: From the Rapture of the Church to the Second Advent of Christ see Kingdom

d. The Kingdom: From the Second Advent and for the following One Thousand Years. (Isaiah ch. 11; Zechariah 14:4-11; Matthew 13:39-43,49,50; 19:28; 24:3, 29-35; 25:31-46; Revelation ch. 11; 19:11 through 20:7; etc.)

3. Age of the Church--The Body of Christ (Romans through Philemon; John chs. 13-17; John's Epistles)

a. Times of Transition (Childhood): Acts Period (Romans; 1 & 2 Corinthians; Galatians; 1 & 2 Thessalonians; Hebrews)

b. Times of Full Age: Post Acts (Ephesians; Philippians; Colossians; 1 & 2 Timothy; Titus; Philemon)

4. Age of Christ---Ages to Come (Ephesians 2:7; 3:11, 21; 1 Corinthians 15:28; 1 Timothy 1:17; Revelation 21 & 22; etc.

Note: This arrangement does not necessarily deal with the "times of the Gentiles" (Luke 21:24; Isaiah 59:20; Daniel 2:31-45 and see Acts 15:14-17 and Romans 11:25).

Apostles (see also Gospel---Doctrine or Message)

1. Apostles of the Lamb (Circumcision) Matthew 10:1-(vv.1-15)-42; 19:28; 26:14,47 Luke 9:1-6; 22:3; John 6:70; Acts 1:15-26; 2:14; 1 Corinthians 15:5; Galatians 2:7-10; Revelation 21:14; etc.

2. Apostles to the Gentiles (Uncircumcision) Acts 14:4,14; Romans 11:13; Romans 16:7; Galatians 1:15-19; Galatians 2:7-10; 1 Thessalonians 1:1; 2:6; etc.

Authorities, Earthly Spheres of

1. Home or Family. Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 6:7-9; Psalm 78; Psalm 144; 1 Corinthians 11:3; Ephesians 5:22 through 6:9; etc.

2. Civil Government. Matthew 22:21; Romans 13:1-7; 1 Peter 2:13-17; etc.

3. Church (local assembly). Matthew 18:15-20; 1 Thessalonians 5:12ff; Philippians 1:1; 1 Timothy chapter 3; Titus ch. 1; Hebrews 3:12,13; 10:25; 13:7,17,24; etc.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; dispensations; guide

1 posted on 09/01/2010 9:01:17 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

I maybe interested in your teaching if first you would define from the Word what rightly dividing the word of truth means, book, chapter and verse please.


2 posted on 09/01/2010 10:31:53 AM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert)
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To: PoloSec

The basis is 2 Timothy 2:15.

The first mathematical principle in the Scriptures is DIVISION (Genesis ch. 1).

Further, the concept of SEPARATION is dealt with in Scripture, before the concept of UNITY.

The Three groupings of humans in history that must be divided and separated in order to understand God’s prophetic purposes are: (1) THE JEW, (2) THE GENTILE, AND (3) THE CHURCH OF GOD. (1 Corinthians 10:32).

The outline provided in this study will help illustrate what more must be studied by dividing things, and separating things.


3 posted on 09/01/2010 12:21:28 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

My question was define, from the Word, what is rightly dividing the word of truth. It is clearly defined in scripture.

It is essential to know what is being rightly divided. So if one is to study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, what is to be rightly divided...it is not about jews and gentiles...it is not about dividing books in the bible...it is not about many words...it is quite simply defined.

If one is to teach, he must understand this key to the gospel. Please do not be offended I refer to myself as a right divider, and I test those who also claim to know right division. Which is why I was somewhat excited to read the title to your post.

I have found that many believe to rightly divide the word of truth means to rightly divide the Word...but it is the (word of truth)that is to be divided...so what is the word of truth as defined simply, in essentially one verse of scripture. I think any further discussion would be better done in private reply...freepmail...but either way is fine.


4 posted on 09/01/2010 1:56:20 PM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert)
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To: PoloSec
Re: 2 Timothy 2:15. .."rightly dividing the word of truth." It does not say "truth" from "untruth". This must mean there is a clear way of dividing truth from truth in God's Word. It must also mean that in order to be unashamed workmen before God, approved unto Him, we must know how to divide His word of truth. The opposite must also be true, then, if we do NOT rightly divide it, we WILL be ashamed when we stand before Him.

We also know that God has revealed Himself to man in a twofold manner: 1) Through Christ, the living Word, and 2) Through the Bible, the written Word.

At its most simple, Ephesian gives us a clue as to how God has divided His word of truth.

"Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands:" ((Eph. 2:11).

"That at that time (Time Past), ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:" (Eph. 2:11).

"But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ." (Eph. 2:13).

"That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus." (Eph. 2:7).

We know there is a TIME PAST, BUT NOW, and AGES TO COME in God's Word. If we can identify one period, the other two should be easy to find. BUT NOW is the most obvious, since it deals with present time.

Of course rightly dividing deals with much more, but this is a simple place to begin.

5 posted on 09/01/2010 2:22:43 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: PoloSec

Understanding that God’s Word, instead of being divided OT from NT is more rightly divided into prophecy, things prophesied concerning a nation and a kingdom, from mystery, things never prophesied but kept secret since the foundation of the world, until revealed to the Apostle Paul is also key. The former concerns a kingdom of believers, the latter concerns a body of believers.


6 posted on 09/01/2010 2:31:55 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: John Leland 1789
Thank you for posting this, I will look at it closely.
7 posted on 09/01/2010 3:28:33 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: PoloSec

Actually, I am hoping you will openly contribute so that it doesn’t all come from me.


8 posted on 09/01/2010 3:52:08 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: smvoice

YES...I’m smiling...you are exactly correct in your study. As you stated there is more. I was refering to dividing the word of truth as stated in 2Tim2:15.

Where we find the word of truth defined, is in... Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, (the gospel of your salvation): in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

The word of truth is (the gospel of your salvation). The gospel of your salvation was given to Paul...1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This word of truth is to be divided from the gospel preached by Peter which was essentially: repent, be baptised and endure until the end. For salvation today you do not need to go anywhere, do anything, say anything, or pray anything, only believe the word of truth preached by Paul as stated above in ICor15:3,4.


9 posted on 09/01/2010 3:56:31 PM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert)
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To: John Leland 1789

Remember All, this is only part one. The main topics of the outline are in alphabetical order. There’s a lot more to come.


10 posted on 09/01/2010 3:56:51 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789
I love the overview of this! The two questions I would have after reading the overview are these. 1) Why would God divide His dealings with mankind into dispensations? Why not just reveal everything all at once? and 2) Does one dispensation end before another begins?

Ooops, that's three questions!

11 posted on 09/01/2010 4:07:54 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: PoloSec; John Leland 1789; wmfights; presently no screen name

Amen! I am smiling, too..:) As God opens His word of truth to all who would seek His approval as workmen who need not be ashamed.


12 posted on 09/01/2010 4:20:46 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice

It’s late for me but I will give you the short version to your questions.

1) Why would God divide His dealings with mankind into dispensations?
It has to do with the definition of dispensations (look it up, it is economy related)

2)Why not just reveal everything all at once?
For us today in the dispensation of grace, everything has been revealed Gen-Rev KJB 1611/1769 the preserved Word of God.

3) Does one dispensation end before another begins?
Yes...although man may not recognize the end from the beginning for quite some time.

For instance Time past began in Gen 11 with Abraham.
Time past ended with the stoning of Steven.

But now... started with Paul on the road to Damascus and will end when the church the body of Christ is caught up to be with the Lord.

Time to come... will start after we are caught up, but it will take some time, I think, for Israel to be reconstituted and the tribulation to begin.

Don’t trust me as to these things...STUDY... like the bereans...wether these things be true. Romans thru Philemon are the scriptures written specifically to us and for us in this the dispensation of grace. Paul said: 2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.


13 posted on 09/01/2010 6:14:33 PM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert)
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To: PoloSec; John Leland 1789

I agree. It’s about progressive revelation in God’s dealing with mankind. And I also agree that one dispensation ends before another begins. The Book of Acts is a beautiful example of changing dispensations. ANd the Dispensation of the Grace of God began with the raising up of Paul. He was not saved until Acts, chapter nine, so the Dispensation of Grace could not have begun before then. Thanks for your post. This is going to be a most enjoyable series, John. God Bless!


14 posted on 09/01/2010 6:47:33 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: PoloSec; John Leland 1789; presently no screen name; smvoice
This word of truth is to be divided from the gospel preached by Peter which was essentially: repent, be baptised and endure until the end.

But Peter came to realize that only preaching to Jews was not what God intended and Acts 4:10-12 sounds very much like The Gospel of Grace given to Paul by Jesus.

Also, Acts 2:38 does not seem that far off. Repentance is recognizing your error and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

I think the differences between Peter and Paul were not as great as we might think. The difference was to whom The Gospel of Grace was taken. Peter was focused on this as exclusively Jewish and did not have the full understanding that was given to Paul. Peter was looking for the imminent return of the warrior Messiah, but I think both were preaching Faith Alone in Jesus Christ Alone to be saved.

15 posted on 09/01/2010 7:45:50 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights; smvoice

The commission of Matthew 28 was not a revelation to go to Gentiles.

The commission of Mark 16 was not a revelation to go to Gentiles.

The commission of Luke 24 was not a revealtion to go to Gentiles.

The commission of Acts 1:8 was not a revelation to go to Gentiles.

The “commission,” if you will, to Peter to go to Cornelius’ house was consistant with Old Testmanet prophesy that as Israel is blessed, the Gentiles too would be brought in under that blessing, but was not a revelation to go to Gentiles in general. Peter still later agreed with Paul to confine his ministry to the circumcision (Galatians 2).


16 posted on 09/01/2010 9:42:17 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789

17 posted on 09/01/2010 10:04:39 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789

OOPS! I forgot that that time line was captioned in Chinese! I’ll have to hunt for the English one.


18 posted on 09/01/2010 10:06:14 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789; smvoice
The “commission,” if you will, to Peter to go to Cornelius’ house was consistant with Old Testmanet prophesy that as Israel is blessed, the Gentiles too would be brought in under that blessing, but was not a revelation to go to Gentiles in general. Peter still later agreed with Paul to confine his ministry to the circumcision (Galatians 2).

Prior to the Cross everything was directed to Israel. The Jewish perspective was based on their Tanak(?) our OT. They were looking for a warrior Messiah who would establish His Kingdom on Earth. No one understood that a spiritual kingdom bringing in Gentiles was going to be done first.

What we are talking about in Acts is the difference in The Gospel between Peter and Paul. I'm saying that on close review they aren't different. Peter is talking to a Jewish only audience and Paul was led to the Gentiles, but both are preaching salvation by Faith Alone in Christ Alone.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let everyone of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Repentance for the Jews would be recognizing Jesus Christ for who He is and believing in Him. How would this differ from recognizing that Jesus died for our sins and by believing in Him we are saved?

Also, the word Repent stands alone. It is to be done before baptism. The baptism is following an act of Faith Alone and the baptism is declaring it is Jesus Christ who has remitted your sins not the water.

19 posted on 09/02/2010 8:35:14 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights
Acts 4:10-12 never mentions Christ dying for our sins. Peter was talking to Israel only, and blaming them for crucifying Jesus Christ. Peter is not preaching the Cross a Good News. He is preaching it as shame upon Israel that they crucified Messiah. He is calling Israel to repent and accept the risen Christ so the days of refreshing could come, as prophesied by Joel, then Christ would return to set up His kingdom. Peter, through God, is still offering the kingdom to Israel if they will accept Jesus Christ, repent, and be baptized.

Read verses10-12 very carefully. And look for the Gospel, that Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day, in those verses. They won't appear until after Paul is saved. Because that message of the good news of the Cross was given to him.

20 posted on 09/02/2010 8:48:45 AM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: wmfights; John Leland 1789; presently no screen name; smvoice

Your post is typical of one who has religious blinders on. You have taken Paul’s doctrine and created a pot of MUD=mixed up doctrine. You have taken Paul’s scriptures and added the Gospel of the Kingdom to the pot (Mathew-John), then you spice it up with (Gen-Malachi), then to really make the stew hot you throw in Heb-Rev, then you serve it up to the lost as, a gospel, something good to eat, when in fact it is poison. The whole bible from (Gen-Rev) is literally true, but when you try to apply the whole bible to yourself you find seemingly contradictions, so those parts that seem to contradict, you spiritualize them, most often this manifests into so called christians believing they are spiritual Israel, and they look for the establishment of the kingdom...the only similarity those who mix up doctrine have with Israel is blindness. You fail to separate (rightly divide) prophecy from mystery.

If you have gotten this far in my post, you may be already intensely offended, in my experience most who have been mixing up doctrine are, as was I when I believed as you, that the differences between Peter and Paul were not that great. The differences between Peter and Paul are the difference between light and darkness as pertaining to salvation. 2Tim2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Now to address those things in your post.

You said:
“But Peter came to realize that only preaching to Jews was not what God intended and Acts 4:10-12 sounds very much like The Gospel of Grace given to Paul by Jesus.”

First of all the Gospel of Grace at this point, Acts ch4, didn’t even exist it had not yet been given to Paul. Paul and the Gospel of Grace given to him had not come on the scene until Acts Chap 9. If Paul (Saul)at this point, knew anything of the gospel preached by Peter, I was that those who followed this way must be destroyed.
Secondly there are no doctrines in the Book of Acts...it is an historical and transitional book.
Thirdly Peter did learn of the Gospel of Grace from Paul and not until Acts 15, this is further detail in Gal 2 specifically... Gal2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Note: the gospel of the (uncircumcision) and the gospel of the (circumcision) are not the same gospel...things that are different are not the same. Peter never preached the gospel of the uncircumcision.
You said the gospel Peter preached and Paul preached are much the same...things that are much the same can be very different...a gardener snake is much the same as a rattlesnake, pick up the gardner in your right hand and the rattlesnake in your left...only the rattler in your left hand will poison you.

You said:
“Also, Acts 2:38 does not seem that far off. Repentance is recognizing your error and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.”

It may not seem that far off but it is. The Gospel of the Kingdom for Israel preached by Peter for salvation required repentance, baptism, keeping the law, and enduring the end.

Further more: you said “Repentance is recognizing your error and acceptance of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.”

Nowhere in the Word are we told to: accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, ask Jesus into your heart, give your heart to Jesus, confess your sins, ask for forgiveness and receive Jesus etc, if this is how one professes to be saved, then he is lost...These things are an obomination, mere clichés, an invention of the religious machine, designed by the satanic policy of evil to corrupt the Word of God and deceive people from knowing the truth. These clichés cannot be found anywhere the bible as pertains to salvation they are a perversion.

The Gospel of Grace message is... you believe: 1Cor15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: In this gospel you will find, no repentance, no keeping law, no enduring to the end, no confessing your sins.

When one believes the gospel he is baptized, not (with the Holy Spirit), but baptized (by) the Holy Spirit into the body of Christ...saved and sealed, one baptism this happens the moment when we believe. We are not told to be baptized by a man in any way.

Now Peter never preached Christ died for our sins... he did preach their sin would be taken away...but that would not happen until they died or until Christ returned to this earth to vanquish the enemies and establish his kingdom (this is what is meant by enduring to the end). Those who died believing the gospel of the kingdom, the apostles and disciples will have their sins taken away when Christ returns to the earth and the (resurrection)occurs. (not to be confused with the catching away of the body of Christ) which is an entirely different event. We have our sins taken away the moment we believe the gospel.

You said:
“I think the differences between Peter and Paul were not as great as we might think” Already address above.

You said:
“The difference was to whom The Gospel of Grace was taken.”
As noted the Gospel of Grace is different than the Gospel of the kingdom.

The Gospel of the kingdom was a gospel to Isreal and required Faith plus Works to receive grace.

Our Gospel of Grace today is for jew and gentile alike and can only be received by faith and faith alone.

You said:
“Peter was looking for the imminent return of the warrior Messiah,” TRUE

You said:
“but I think both were preaching Faith Alone in Jesus Christ Alone to be saved.” NOT TRUE... as noted above.

I know that without a the proper foundation these things are hard to understand, even Peter acknowledge this...2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles(Paul’s epistles), speaking in them of these things; (in which are some things hard to be understood), which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Paul said: 2Tim2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Paul refered to the Gospel of Grace as MY GOSPEL three times...Ro2:16,Ro16:25,2Tim2:8 this was to emphasize there is only one gospel of salvation (the gospel given to Paul by Jesus)today, no other.

Paul wrote: Gal,1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Paul knew men would pervert, mix up. and forsake his doctrines as they were already doing in his time... 2Tim4:16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.

As always check these things for your self, try not to go to some man to teach you, men will lead you astray. STUDY to shew THYSELF approved unto God.

I apologize for weak typing abilities, what would take a fair typist minutes takes me it seems hours...I wish to learn html so that I could highlight, italicize, underline, and bold print etc, so points here could be more clearly emphasized.

Paul is my pattern: 1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

1Cor4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

1Cor11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Philippians 3:17 Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.


21 posted on 09/02/2010 2:48:22 PM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert1 Corinthians 15:3 For I de)
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To: PoloSec; John Leland 1789; presently no screen name; smvoice
The Gospel of the kingdom was a gospel to Isreal and required Faith plus Works to receive grace.

Acts 2:38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Where is declaration that works are required?

I apologize for weak typing abilities, what would take a fair typist minutes takes me it seems hours...I wish to learn html so that I could highlight, italicize, underline, and bold print etc, so points here could be more clearly emphasized.

I'm not great myself, but here's what I know.

If you want to italicize you enter i at the start and /i at the end of the sentence. To make something bold b then /b. If you underline u then /u.On the sides of the letter you need < >

22 posted on 09/02/2010 3:49:39 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights
Hello, Brother:

The very people to whom Peter was preaching, through the entire first querter of the Acts of the Apostles, were the ones (that generation) who were guilty of the murder of Jesus Christ (Acts 3:13-15; etc.).

None of Peter's preaching in these chapters is to any kind of church as we have known New Testament churches since Acts 16.

Every sermon in these chapters is to a generation that had ultimately regected the preaching of John Baptist, Christ, and the Apostles---they were being told, in effect, that they must start over---hence, Acts 2:38, which was commanded to Israelites, not to Gentiles, and not to the Body of Christ.

When you believed upon the Lord Jesus Christ as your only remedy for sin (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), and only hope of justification with God and eternal life, you received the Holy Ghost at that very moment, whi indwelt you, circumcized you and baptized you (Col2:11, 12), and sealed you until the day of redemption (Eph. 4:30; etc.).

If you have been baptized in water subsequent to being regenerated, the only affect it had upon you was to get you wet.

Those Jews in Acts 2, in effect having to return to John's baptism, and having to repent---REPENT OF THE MURDER OF THEIR KING---could in no way receive the gift of the Holy Ghost without being baptized in water as prescribed by Peter, for the reasons in the context itself.

23 posted on 09/02/2010 4:50:51 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: wmfights
"Prior to the Cross everything was directed to Israel."

Actually, everything after the Cross was directed to Israel as well. For the first full seven chapters of Acts -- a quarter of the book.

24 posted on 09/02/2010 4:58:57 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: wmfights
It is evident in Acts 2:38 that 1) water baptism was a command; 2) baptism was for remission of sins; and 3) the Holy Spirit was given as a result of baptism. The Gospel of the Kingdom. Exactly what Christ commanded the 12 to do, they did. Preached the Gospel of the Kingdom.

It is also evident that there is not one mention of Christ dying for our sins, being buried, and raised the third day, for our sins. The Gospel of the Grace of God.

"NOW to him that is power to stablish you according to MY GOSPEL, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the REVELATION of THE MYSTERY, which was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, But NOW is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith." (Romans 16:25,26). Paul calls it MY GOSPEL. And what is MY GOSPEL?

"For I declared unto YOU FIRST of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures." (1 Cor. 15:3,4).

"But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is NOT AFTER MAN, For I neither RECEIVED IT OF MAN, neither was I TAUGHT IT, but by REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST." (Gal. 1:11,12).

Paul did not receive the gospel he preached from any man, Peter included. He received MY GOSPEL directly by revelation of Jesus Christ. Peter and the 11 did not preach the same gospel that Paul preached. If it had been the same, there would have been no reason for Jesus Christ to give it to Paul through direct revelation.

There was a two-fold purpose in the preaching of the cross. Peter knew one purpose and he preached that purpose. Paul was given the other purpose. As the Good News of the cross. And he preached that good news.

25 posted on 09/02/2010 5:03:55 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: wmfights

Thank you for the instruction on html. I will try this.

Now as to your question.

Where is declaration that works are required? ref: Acts 2:38

First: CONTEXT... In Acts 2:38, was a reference to bJews/b (ref: the gospel of the kingdom) not to you in this dispensation of grace (which at this point has not even begun yet)...iActs 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. Acts 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem bJews/b, devout men, out of every nation under heaven/i. Gentiles were not there...gentiles did not celebrate pentacost.

Secondly: repentace is something the Jews did to gain exceptance with God. uRepentance is a work/u (plus they had to do much more) as has already been discussed.

Thirdly: remittance of sin is not the same as having your sins taken away...remittance is conditional on the Jew enduring until the end...as well as other things they needed to do...as previously discussed. In the gospel of the kingdom sin was only remitted...In the gospel of grace our sin is taken away.

Basically from Gen-John is all addressed to Israel and has nothing to do with your salvation...your salvation is found in Romans thru Philemon...Hebrews-Revelation is also addressed to Israel, we will not even be here for Heb-Rev if you are saved.

By citing Acts 2:38 you are mixing up doctrine...even worse nothing in Acts is doctrine, the book of Acts is historical and transitional (I think I already said that in previous post).

I tried to implement what you said about html...lets see how it works.


26 posted on 09/02/2010 7:20:25 PM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert1 Corinthians 15:3 For I de)
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To: John Leland 1789

Your post #16

Yes exactly...Acts 1-8 is essentially a murder indictment on the nation of Isreal...a total and complete rejection of Christ and the gospel of the kingdom.

On the cross Jesus prayed...forgive them father for they know not what they do...God answered that prayer by giving Israel an extension of mercy which ended with the stoning of Steven...at that point Israel had committed the unpardonable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit and God set Israel aside and is no longer dealing with Israel as a nation. Since the gospel of Grace, God no longer deals with nations...salvation is for individuals...not nations. I know you understand this, I’m just ratteling on. It’s like I get on a roll and can’t stop.


27 posted on 09/02/2010 7:37:59 PM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert1 Corinthians 15:3 For I de)
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To: smvoice

Your post #25

Amen...Amen...Amen


28 posted on 09/02/2010 7:42:10 PM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert1 Corinthians 15:3 For I de)
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To: John Leland 1789; wmfights; PoloSec; presently no screen name
It's also important to note that the first full seven chapters of Acts has something in mind: the fulfillment of the prophecy of Joel 2. After the pouring out of the Holy Spirit, and Israel's acceptance of Christ as Messiah, God's wrath would be poured out, then the end would come. And Christ would return. The Holy Spirit was poured out at Pentecost, was still being given to believing Israel, and Peter and the 11 were at Jerusalem, awaiting all Israel to repent, be baptized for the remission of sins, before God's wrath could be poured out and before Christ's 2nd coming. BUt that did not happen. Only part of Joel was fulfilled. Peter knew this. And he also knew he and the 11 could not go to the Gentiles until Israel accepted the offer. Something was changing. Joel 2 was not being fulfilled in its entirety. Until Paul is saved in Acts 9, nothing makes sense in a prophetic way.

And then this mystery, hid in God from the foundation of the world is revealed to Paul. And everything changes. Although until Acts 28, Israel is still being offered the promises and prophecies concerning the return of Christ and the setting up of the Kingdom.

Once understood that the gospel of the circumcision would stay with Peter and the gospel of the uncircumcision would be preached by Paul, there was a real time of uncertainty in Israel's program. By the end of Acts, it is apparent that a change in dispensations had taken place. And that Israel had been temporarily blinded and set aside for another purpose that had never been revealed before Paul.

29 posted on 09/02/2010 8:11:34 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: smvoice

Thanks for the further explanation on the first seven chapters in Acts. Wonderful!

Did you notice Part Two is posted?


30 posted on 09/02/2010 9:25:41 PM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: smvoice; John Leland 1789; wmfights; PoloSec; presently no screen name

Your Post smvoice #29

Yes and Amen!


31 posted on 09/03/2010 4:54:58 AM PDT by PoloSec (Note to Princess B H Obama: May PISS be Upon Mohammads Head...You Pervert1 Corinthians 15:3 For I de)
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To: John Leland 1789
Hello, Brother:

Back at ya! :)

Every sermon in these chapters is to a generation that had ultimately regected the preaching of John Baptist, Christ, and the Apostles---they were being told, in effect, that they must start over---hence, Acts 2:38, which was commanded to Israelites, not to Gentiles, and not to the Body of Christ.

I don't disagree with you on the historical background and to whom Peter is speaking. But the point I'm trying to examine is how distinctive is The Gospel Peter preached from THe Gospel Paul preached.

In Acts 2:38 the key word is Repent. I agree that this is for those who were guilty of the murder of Jesus Christ , but it also goes deeper. If these Jews were to Repent they not only had to recognize there terrible sin, but would have to accept who Jesus Christ is.

IOW, they would have to have Faith Alone in Jesus Christ Alone for their salvation. Is this so dramatically different than the Gospel Paul preached?

32 posted on 09/03/2010 7:28:19 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: John Leland 1789
Hello, Brother:

Back at ya! :)

Every sermon in these chapters is to a generation that had ultimately regected the preaching of John Baptist, Christ, and the Apostles---they were being told, in effect, that they must start over---hence, Acts 2:38, which was commanded to Israelites, not to Gentiles, and not to the Body of Christ.

I don't disagree with you on the historical background and to whom Peter is speaking. But the point I'm trying to examine is how distinctive is The Gospel Peter preached from THe Gospel Paul preached.

In Acts 2:38 the key word is Repent. I agree that this is for those who were guilty of the murder of Jesus Christ , but it also goes deeper. If these Jews were to Repent they not only had to recognize there terrible sin, but would have to accept who Jesus Christ is.

IOW, they would have to have Faith Alone in Jesus Christ Alone for their salvation. Is this so dramatically different than the Gospel Paul preached?

33 posted on 09/03/2010 7:31:38 AM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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