Posted on 09/03/2010 4:39:23 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
Ping
How do you feel about George Washington since he was a mason?
Guess you have to watch the show to get it. He doesn’t talk about Mormanism, but he does talk about God and Christ frequently in non-denominational terms, and seems to have great respect for varied differences in methods of worship. His point in discussing it is how important judeo-christan beliefs, in general, are to the foundation of the country as a factor of national unity rather than as a missionary.
Some might have a problem with that, but I guess that’s up to them. It is probably better to be united in generality, on points on which we can agree, than it is to point out various differences and use it as tool to divide. No one group can stand alone in the fight against secular socialism and worship of the earth the elites are trying to shove down our throats. There is immense strength in numbers and I would hate to lose to that over small dividsions that can be overlooked in order to accomplish the task at hand.
I think a lot of would-be televangelists who were never able to get a show of their own have it out for Glenn and his success.
What really concerns me is a “religious” comedian he had on his show tonight who was making jokes about scaring kids and watching them “Pee themselves” or some other equally charming phrase. Yeah, I get that it was supposed to be funny. It wasn’t. It was disgusting. And even though I’m just starting to peek at Glenn, I was somehow mortified to see him smiling at it.
America was stupid enough to elect Obama.....now they continue in their stupidity to attack a simple Message that just happens to be scripturally and spiritually true.
There is only one solution for what ails America....and that is to fall on our faces and repent and call out to God.
That GB is the one that said this doesn’t negate that truth.
But Lucifer’ useful idiots can make it a lie by repeating their propaganda often enough.
Look at Obama’s game plan.
Perhaps before you write this self serving pap, you should watch his programs.... then it would be fair for you to evaluate..... but by reading what some other critic writes and draw your conclusions from that, sounds a little second or third hand.
In other words: I don't know what I'm taking about but I'm going to say it anyways.
I didn’t write the article, and I have watched and listened to Glenn and to the 8/28 rally.
He sets himself up as a “religious leader”, not I.
In matters of faith and doctrine, the former; in the spirit of rendering unto Caesar as appropriate, in matters of public policy and constitutionality in a nation with COTUS 1A, the latter.
Some say this is impossible.I say it is not only possible, but imperative.
There may be some for whom it is too difficult. I urge them to concentrate on the Heavenly. The rest of us, who can walk and chew gum at the same time, will do the other work that must be done.
In matters of faith and doctrine, the former; in the spirit of rendering unto Caesar as appropriate, in matters of public policy and constitutionality in a nation with COTUS 1A, the latter.
Some say this is impossible.I say it is not only possible, but imperative.
There may be some for whom it is too difficult. I urge them to concentrate on the Heavenly. The rest of us, who can walk and chew gum at the same time, will do the other work that must be done.
The salient point.
This article started out so well, and then........
Bingo!
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The Glenn Beck rally is confusing people.
Why?
He is aiming far beyond what most people consider to be the goalposts.
Using Boyd’s continuum for war: Material, Intellectual, Moral.
Analogously for political change: Elections, Institutions, Culture.
Beck sees correctly that the Conservative movement had only limited success because it was good at level 1, for a while, weak on level 2, and barely touched level 3. Talk Radio and the Tea Party are level 3 phenomena, popular outbreaks, which are blowing back into politics.
Someone who asks what the rally has to do with the 2010 election is missing the point.
Beck is building solidarity and cultural confidence in America, its Constitution, its military heritage, its freedom. This is a vision that is despised by the people who have long held the commanding heights of the culture. But is obviously alive and kicking.
Beck is creating positive themes of unity and patriotism and freedom and independence which are above mere political or policy choices, but not irrelevant to them. Political and policy choices rest on a foundation of philosophy, culture, self-image, ideals, religion. Change the foundation, and the rest will flow from that. Defeat the enemy on that plane, and any merely tactical defeat will always be reversible.
Beck is unabashed that God can be invoked in public places by citizens, who vote and assemble and speak and freely exercise their religion. They are supposed to be too browbeaten to do this. Gathering hundreds of thousands of them to peaceably assemble shows they are not. But showing that the people who believe in God and practice their religion are fellow-citizens who share political and economic values with majorities of Americans is a critical step. The idea that these people are an American Taliban is laughable, but showing that fact to the world — and to potential political allies who are not religious — is critical.
Beck is attacking the enemy at the foundations of their power, their claim to race as a permanent trump card, their claim to the Civil Rights movement as a permanent model to constantly be transforming a perpetually unjust society.
He is nuking out the foundations of the opposition’s moral preeminence, the very thing I proposed in this post.
Ronald Reagan said we would not defeat Communism, we would transcend it.
Beck is aiming to have America do the same thing to its decaying class of Overlords, transcend them.
Beck is prepping the battlefield for a generation-long battle.
He is that very American thing: A practical visionary.
See, simple.
Restore pride and confidence to your own side, and win the long game.
As Ronald Reagan also said, there are simple solutions, just no easy solutions.
God bless America.
Oh, come on. The man was horribly burned & his face would frighten any little child. He was making a joke at his own expense. I doubt he really scares the kiddies that way. It was just a humorous comment, and all the adults in the audience responded by laughing.
Glenn Beck is trying to guide people back to a spiritual life, not Mormonism. Give him some time. He grows on you.
Well even I at times have been positive over what Beck has had to say. But I no more agree w/him over everything than I do Hugh Hewitt, a Presbyterian Christian.
Yet when Beck presents himself as a "Christian" leader who has gathered up pastors' flock right up their noses as part of Beck's Bahai faith 2.0 version -- using a combo of old-time camp revivalism and D.C. rally politics -- I take issue.
And Beck TV-watching MHGinTN has been raising more concerns about Beck as well...(Perhaps MHG can chime in here).
Yeah, well so far I've called it Bahai 2.0. But maybe Mormo-Bahai might be more like it. Religions are increasingly becoming synchronistic. (You know like Haiti, part voodoo; part Catholicism)
Give him some time.
Yeah, it takes a bit of umption, gumption, and time to kick off a new religion.
http://chicagoboyz.net/archives/15295.html
Heard Beck read this the other morning on radio; he said “he’s the only guy who really gets it.”
Some Freepers remind me of a “Christian” commenting in a local newsletter and complaining about how distasteful it was to have a disfigured man like Dave Roever representing Chistianity.
Apparently God should be embarrassed by men like Roever.
There is a fundamental contradiction in the Beckian renewal which I have no doubt the progressives will exploit to crumble the conservative renewal. Allow me to elaborate because this is a very subtle yet devastating contradiction.
The fundamental premise to Mormonism is that ALL of Christianity was in 100% apostasy until the advent of Joseph Smith and his 'restoration of true Christianity'. Yet Beck is touting to the max the Christian founding principles of this antion and the founders. Unfortunately for Glenn Beck, Mormonism wasn't invented until ~1830, so the Christianity of the Founders that Mister Beck touts was an apostasy according to the religion he so strongly believes in!
This contradiction is so glaring once one delves into it that the foundations of Beck's rally are in question. So, what might be the motivation for a rally which is founded in a contradiction for the man who brought it to fruition? I have three possible theories, but have not settled upon which is the most likely cause du jour.
One aspect of Beck's rally that continues to disturb me is the inclusion of an Islamic Imam in the Black Robed Brigade! If one knows whom were the original Black Robed Regiment, and is aware of Beck's own emphasis of their importance to the Christian principles reflected in the founders' documents which established this nation, then to include an Imam of Islam (which reveres taqiyya when dealing with what Islam calls infidels, and that's all who are not Islamic) in this Christian lookalike brigade is to at once sully the principle behind the original regiment!
Islam is a far cry from Christian. In fact, the vast majority of Imams today are the product of madrassas funded by the Saudis and preaching the 'violence if need be' conversion of the whole world to Islam as a Wahhabi manifest destiny! Beck spent the better part of a week recently deriding manifest destiny as an evil opposite to Divine Providence.
I was initially alerted while listening to the taped presentation of the rally ... I was unable to attend, though I would have gone had it been possible, and would have been put off from the experience within the first three minutes! I wonder if 500,000+ folks attending actually caught the incursion of mormonism in the first few minutes, or noticed the opening prayer being posed to 'gods'?
Watching the taped replay these are much more obvious. And if one doubts that 'gods' were being offered up in the opening prayer, listen repeatedly to the last line ... 'one nation under gods'. This is not a speech defect in the man offering the prayer. He was purposely invoking ecumenism, perniciously as it were.
Truly, this is a battle between principalities and powers of the air AND Christ's own. How many of His Church will realize the deceits undergirding this call to 'ecumenical renewal'?
Congressmen don’t read bills yet vote yes and seemed surprised when we don’t like the contents, article writers don’t watch the program but right the reviews and expect us to follow their recommendations.
This nation needs a leader who is able to inspire and invigorate the electorate, a leader who is Christian, a follower of the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Beck is setting himself up as that person. While it’s hard to disagree with most of his political philosophy and hard to disagree with most of his generic statements based on the Bible, after all we, as Christians, do agree with those parts of the KJV Bible, copied word for word from the KJV by Joseph Smith, there is much more to come that was invented by the same J. Smith, that is abhorrent and even blasphemous, to Bible believing Christians.
I have a basic distrust of anyone proclaiming Christianity from the view point of a Mormon. The Bible says that even Satan knows and can quote scripture and does so if he can pervert it to his own advantage.
This nation needs a leader who is able to inspire and invigorate the electorate, a leader who is Christian, a follower of the Jesus Christ of the Bible.
Beck is setting himself up as that person. While it’s hard to disagree with most of his political philosophy and hard to disagree with most of his generic statements based on the Bible, after all we, as Christians, do agree with those parts of the KJV Bible, copied word for word from the KJV by Joseph Smith, there is much more to come that was invented by the same J. Smith, that is abhorrent and even blasphemous, to Bible believing Christians.
I have a basic distrust of anyone proclaiming Christianity from the view point of a Mormon. The Bible says that even Satan knows and can quote scripture and does so if he can pervert it to his own advantage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47V-dpiLM78&feature=related
That is not what I heard and I have replayed and replayed.
Blah blah blah... Whatever
Yet another phony claiming to speak for a segment of the religious community. Where was this level of rant when 0bama was elected? What about bj Clinton and his bs? What about Barney frank? Pelosi and her rantings? Hollywood?
I’m not very religious at all... And *I* hold exception to the activities of these people long before anything GBeck is doing.
At 6:43 the word God as addressed by the Pilgrims was pronounced clearly with no “s” sound on the end, but moments later the prayer has ‘gods’ and that follows through to the closing sentence nearly every time “God” is mentioned.
From looking @ your posts from years, BM, I haven't seen you use words like preeminence...transcend...Overlords" (see below).
He is nuking out the foundations of the opposition’s moral preeminence, the very thing I proposed in this post.
Ronald Reagan said we would not defeat Communism, we would transcend it.
Beck is aiming to have America do the same thing to its decaying class of Overlords, transcend them.
Beck is prepping the battlefield for a generation-long battle.
He is that very American thing: A practical visionary.
My question is: Was this your original writing (& rest of post #17), or are you quoting non-mentioned sources again?
The genesis of America was fraught with very similar issues. refugees and expatriots, common and lordly struggled with merging their faiths, or lack thereof in a common purpose.
The deists ( don’t hear much about them lately) were supposedly a significant part of the intellectual firepower of the Constitution’s design.
The flag of the USA and the Cross of Jesus are two distinct things. I was born in a country where they didn’t diverge much; I would like to think they won’t for a while, that we can kick this can down the road aways!
Bottom line is they will, on God’s time and we best be prepared.
Is that what Glenn Beck is? a televangelist?
Envy is so unbecoming. Not surprising but still unbecoming.
Watch the show a few times—give up an hour or two—then judge. the old anti-Mormonism used to take down Mitt Romney will not work with Beck. He is a different kind of person.
The terrible thing about being on the side of truth is knowing you will have to say “I told you so.”
>>Are you first a citizen of Heaven or are you first a citizen of this republic?<<
No lover of freedom can be one without the other. “Render unto God the things that are God’s; and unto Ceasar, the things that are Caesar’s.”
This appears to be another of those “I don’t watch his show, but these are the things that are wrong” articles. “Take the beam out of thy own eye first”
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I would if I had a TV. As it is, I listen to his radio show daily, and have read most of Beck's books. I think I have pretty good bead on where he's coming from.
This was more than disturbing but I truly don't think many picked up on this...but it is apparent. Unfortunately when people get together in mass as this, the feel good element can override the actual words being spoken for most have already been geared up for a “great experience”.
That is not what I heard and I have replayed and replayed.
People are getting all bent out of shape for no reason whatsover. An earlier thread implied that it was GLENN who was offering prayer to gods when in fact the prayer is offered by Pastor Paul Jayle (sp?), the direct descendent of those who came over on the Mayflower.
What people are hearing and misinterpreting as gods is no more than the mic and the manner the man speaks, preaches. Please, folks, try listening to this with an objective and not the suspicious ear, the man is calling to God each and every time he says His name, it is simply slurring and the mic emphasizing it. It sounds much more like Godtz than gods, it stretches out in a couple of spots. You can tell for certain that my interpretation is correct and that you truly have no reason to infer or believe the man was praying to gods if you only listen to how he pronounces "the shedding of innocent bloodtz" -- the "d" ending pronounced in exactly the same manner as the "d" ending of God. Relax here, I really cannot ask it any more strenuously please.
As one who suffers from disfigurment that has caused fright from children myself, I can tell you that this was the man's method of mocking HIMSELF. He does not truly scare them at all, he's joking about how it feels to have a small child look upon your physical self and exhibit horror ... the first time it happens, you are hurt and scared your own self. I can assure you Dave does NOT say "Boo!" and send children off running when they look at him in fear. Glenn and the rest of those in attendence that night knew full well what was going on, I'm very sorry you could not comprehend this from the little bit you saw -- perhaps you missed the detail on just who Dave is and how his visage came to be the way it is today.
No, he sets himself up as acknowledging he has a public platform, a microphone and uses it to ask people of all faiths to return to God in order to save our country. He is not a leader, he is not asking anyone to follow him. He is not telling people to ask that God be on their side, he is in fact begging people to be on God's side.
Maybe from the intelligence of your higher life form than us mere mortal humans, you can explain who “King Benjamin” was ???
Glenn Beck did intentionally mention this mythical character...
and even the mormon blogs have it recorded and commented on...
Since there is no King Benjamin in the Christian Bible how are the attendees and other hearers of the Glenn Beck religious sermon to interpret this ???
There is no “d” at the end of King Benjamin to guide us ...
On this one how can we “tell for certain that (your) interpretation is correct and that (we) truly have no reason to infer” Beck was pushing unBiblical mormon beliefs onto us ???
Enlighten us O interpreting genius
He actually does TEACH mormonism on his show,and my greatest concern is he does not identify it but teaches it as actual historic truth
You completely misinterpret what Glenn expounds on -- when Jefferson wrote "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor" did you think he meant that it was all happenstance or that those men came up with their ideas and ideals all by themselves?
I too watch Beck regularly , I love it when he beats up the liberal with humor
BUT the more I watch the more concern I have for this faux religious revival .
Mormonism is neatly woven into history..and history itself is a bit bent ad twisted..Whitfield has nothing t do with the constitution..he is no where near a “founder”
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