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Conservative surrender on same-sex marriage?
World Net Daily ^ | September 04, 2010 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 09/05/2010 5:10:21 AM PDT by GonzoII

The homosexual press has noticed.

In an enlightening commentary on a homosexual activist blog, we get this observation: "But isn't it something how the issue of marriage equality is slowly starting to tear at the GOP. What a difference a few years make. In 2004, there was nary a Republican that could get behind the issue of marriage equality without looking like a Benedict Arnold. And now? The trend is shifting big time."

And that's really the context needed to understand why WND took the stand it did with Ann Coulter upon her acceptance of the headliner position at GOProud's Homocon event this month.

The conservative movement is nearing surrender on the issue – even while public opinion stands firmly committed against same-sex marriage.

This is the way it works in our political culture.

The people vote and express their will in overwhelming numbers to affirm something as basic as traditional marriage between one man and one woman. Judges assail the process and explain that only bigotry could explain their votes. Election results are overturned. Homosexuals celebrate. Conservatives cave.

Conservatives are simply not freedom fighters, as I have explained many times. In fact, there are some so-called "conservatives" cheering on what they see.

"In time, gay people will be married, extending the valuable social institution of marriage to more people," writes blogger Jon Henke of TheNextRight.com. "In time, conservatives will argue that the positive impact that marriage has on the gay community is further evidence of the importance of the institution of marriage."

The list of conservatives surrendering has been noticed by the homosexual activists, as the homosexual blogger notes: "Ted Olson, Margaret Hoover, Meghan McCain, Glenn Beck, Laura Bush, Steve Schmidt, Cindy McCain, Charlie Baker, Elisabeth Hasselbeck ... it's like each day a new high-profile conservative jumps on the..

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TOPICS: Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anncoulter; family; glennbeck; homosexualagenda; josephfarah; marriage; moralabsolutes; newyorktimes; nytagenda; romney; romneysupporters; samesexmarriage
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"There is no middle ground on this issue."
1 posted on 09/05/2010 5:10:24 AM PDT by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

Third Party!


2 posted on 09/05/2010 5:11:35 AM PDT by IbJensen ((Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: GonzoII
The list of conservatives surrendering has been noticed by the homosexual activists, as the homosexual blogger notes: "......., Meghan McCain, .... it's like each day a new high-profile conservative jumps on the.."

Meggy Mac a conservative? Bwhahahahahahha.

3 posted on 09/05/2010 5:12:59 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: GonzoII

Conservative surrender on same-sex marriage?

So what else is new? Most conservatives are just liberals with a differnt name.


4 posted on 09/05/2010 5:15:22 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: circlecity

My brother-in-law just lost his job for saying something
against homosexuality. Apparently, conservatives are
taboo everywhere.


5 posted on 09/05/2010 5:15:37 AM PDT by Cowgirl
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To: GonzoII
Next they will be using the phrase “Homosexual Christian” which for sure is a oxymoron, just as the term “pro choice/pro abortion Christian” both also oxymoron's.

I saw a bit on this at PMSNBC, they had on a couple fruitcake Log Cabin guys on talking about it, claiming something was coming down the pipe.

Who is it in the GOP that is talking about accepting gay marriage? I know of nobody? Are they talking about adding language to the GOP platform??

6 posted on 09/05/2010 5:20:29 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( PALIN / HOLTZ 2012 If you vote Democrat you support infanticide)
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To: GonzoII

The world hates truth. “Thy Word is Truth.”


7 posted on 09/05/2010 5:20:40 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: GonzoII
As long as the people are allowed to vote otherwise “homosexual marriage” (always use scare quotes as there IS no such thing—yet)can only be contrived and instituted by activist judges.

If SCOTUS supports these liberal judges then “chosen behaviors” will turn those who act certain ways into federally sanctioned,protected and privileged minorities entitled to all kinds of taxpayer funded goodies both social and financial.

“Rights for sale,get your civil rights here!”

8 posted on 09/05/2010 5:21:27 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Karl Marx had 7 kids-only 3 lived to maturity-of those 2 committed suicide-sezzalot.")
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To: GonzoII

incrementalism

the favored tactic employed by the progressives since at least the 60s


9 posted on 09/05/2010 5:23:10 AM PDT by sten
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To: GonzoII

Homosexuals trying to create a story where there isn’t one.


10 posted on 09/05/2010 5:25:45 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: GonzoII

Wrong, True conservatives for the most part understand that gay marriage undermines the society and cannot be allowed. However this subject is helping to show whom is a true conservatives and others with RINO tendencies at best.

Also not a true conservative will not bend on this subject but a RINO will in the end. Lets see which way they bend while flushing as many out as possible.

Note: Anti gay marriage does not have to be hateful as some attend it to be it just does not need to be accepted as a norm, for it is abnormal.


11 posted on 09/05/2010 5:30:54 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

Should have read:
Also NOTE a true conservative will not bend on this subject but a RINO will in the end. Lets see which way they bend while flushing as many out as possible.


12 posted on 09/05/2010 5:33:49 AM PDT by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Who is it in the GOP that is talking about accepting gay marriage?

Ken Mehlman, Beck isn't worried about it and Coulter is going to "entertain" them at Homocon. So the press is playing it up big time to make it look like a consensus. It's not. It's a few talking heads that have lost theirs, heads that is. They aren't the face of conservatives on this issue but the press will claim that they are. And do damage.

13 posted on 09/05/2010 5:35:57 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

I like to put the word marriage in quotes when addressing this issue because there is no such thing as Gay “Marriage”.


14 posted on 09/05/2010 5:36:33 AM PDT by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: GonzoII

The real area of concern should be the young. I’ve seen polls. They think differently on this issues than do older people and much of that has to do with the propaganda they learn in school. That propoganda might eventually result in queer marriage being the law of the land nationwide.


15 posted on 09/05/2010 5:38:51 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: GonzoII
I have no problems if homosexuals want to support conservative candidates. I do have a big problem with conservatives supporting homosexual marriage. The quickest way to lose social conservatives is to embrace same-sex marriage. The problem that we may face is what do you do when all the candidates for political office support same-sex marriages?
16 posted on 09/05/2010 5:42:00 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Friendofgeorge
Next they will be using the phrase “Homosexual Christian” which for sure is a oxymoron, just as the term “pro choice/pro abortion Christian” both also oxymoron's.

Haven't you noticed? The mainline "churches" are already doing it. They're even "marrying" homosexuals. They're even ordaining them to the clergy.

This is why we're swimming upstream. Homosexuality has permeated the churches, education and entertainment.

How many Freepers even continue to attend churches that embrace homosexuality? We cannot expect a political solution to a moral problem.

17 posted on 09/05/2010 5:44:10 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Nosterrex
I have no problems if homosexuals want to support conservative candidates. I do have a big problem with conservatives supporting homosexual marriage. The quickest way to lose social conservatives is to embrace same-sex marriage. The problem that we may face is what do you do when all the candidates for political office support same-sex marriages?

Excellent point. I don't even have a problem with Log Cabin Republicans and welcome their votes but in no way should the Republican party in their platform condone homosexuality.

18 posted on 09/05/2010 5:46:25 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: GonzoII

Same-Sex Marriage by any name is not matrimony just as Dog-Cat Marriage is not matrimony.


19 posted on 09/05/2010 5:59:20 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, - W Churchill)
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To: GonzoII
her acceptance of the headliner position at GOProud's Homocon event this month.

One wonders whether Coulter has ever spoken at, say, Amherst; or for that matter whether Farrah has.

ML/NJ

20 posted on 09/05/2010 6:00:04 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: GonzoII

Says the man who five years ago sent his readers into panic over Al Qaida nukes supposedly already smuggled into the US by Mexican gangs like M13. New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles were to go up simultaneously.

Subscriptions must be down. Time to stir up a new panic.


21 posted on 09/05/2010 6:06:19 AM PDT by tlb
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To: ml/nj

As an admirer of both Coulter and Farrah, I don’t understand why they let themselves get mixed up in a public dispute like this. Coulter says she a Christian opposed to gay marriage. Why didn’t she make this clear to Farrah and the whole world before agreeing to speak at GOProud?

I sure hope Ann denounces the radical liberal platform of this pseudo-Republican group.


22 posted on 09/05/2010 6:12:55 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: sten
incrementalism

the favored tactic employed by the progressives since at least the 60s


Genesis 3:1-6

1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?" 2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' " 4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

Half-truths mixed with lies

Used by Satan, the Father of progressives since The Garden of Eden.
23 posted on 09/05/2010 6:19:48 AM PDT by time4good
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To: tlb

Here you are again defending the homosexual agenda by the back door method of knocking someone that opposes it.


24 posted on 09/05/2010 6:24:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: heye2monn
I don’t understand why they let themselves get mixed up in a public dispute like this.

What, exactly, would you have Ann do here? She speaks often to groups whose politics are not hers. And Farah goes and gets his panties in a snit because of this group? And says he won't post her columns on his website anymore? What should she do? Sue? Tell the homos she changed her mind and won't be speaking to them? Ignore Farah? I think she should just be the same delightfully confrontational gal she has always been.

ML/NJ

25 posted on 09/05/2010 6:30:33 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: heye2monn

Ann Coulter will show up wherever they will pay her big speaking fee. Kinda like Elton John playing at Rush Limbaughs wedding.


26 posted on 09/05/2010 6:43:40 AM PDT by mono
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To: GonzoII

The issue is that of superficial finite human understanding versus eternal wisdom, and homosexuals perceive better than many or most conservatives that the Bible is the most foundational problem for them , and thus they have spent an inordinate amount of energy seeking to negates its condemnation of homosexual relations, and seeking sanction for it. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/Homosex_versus_the_Bible.html


27 posted on 09/05/2010 6:46:07 AM PDT by daniel1212 ("Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: time4good

Gen 2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ “ 4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

What was the lie?


28 posted on 09/05/2010 6:50:48 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: jafojeffsurf

.....undermines the society and cannot be allowed.....

Oh, like mixed race marriage, certain sex acts and abortion were once against the law, not accepted and not allowed. Most teenagers today think oral sex is just smooching. Just wait till the next generation of young people start getting elected to public office.


29 posted on 09/05/2010 6:59:07 AM PDT by mono
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To: DJ MacWoW

That`s right, it`s just a few talking heads! As for Ken M, whom I have no personal dislike for, in fact always kind of liked him, but he is off the reserve now anyway. BTW I would never have guessed it about Ken?

Ken can join Ted Olson (Rudy`s Supreme Court guy LOL) and the other log cabin guys.


30 posted on 09/05/2010 7:03:49 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( PALIN / HOLTZ 2012 If you vote Democrat you support infanticide)
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To: ml/nj
I think she should just be the same delightfully confrontational gal she has always been.
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Ann jumped the shark when she called the birthers “CRANKS!” and used the KKK to imply that they were a fringe group. ( Geeze!...As if the 60% of the Americans who doubt Obama’s eligibility were somehow cranky and fringy!)

Ann will not get so much as another dime from me. Not that she needs or cares about my dime but..drip drip drip...those dimes add up!

31 posted on 09/05/2010 7:08:05 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

You make good points!

I was coming from a place outside of the Main Line Churches. I am afraid I wrote them off some time ago.

The other oxymoron I meant to quote was “Christian Democrat” maybe 50+ years ago you could put the 2 together, but no longer.


32 posted on 09/05/2010 7:08:40 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( PALIN / HOLTZ 2012 If you vote Democrat you support infanticide)
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To: Friendofgeorge
That`s right, it`s just a few talking heads!

But the propaganda machine, known as the press, will run with the lie. It's unfortunate but they do still have some influence. The majority of Americans will be ignored while politicians and the press will state what they claim we said. I hate politicians, the press and talking heads.

33 posted on 09/05/2010 7:10:49 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: KDD

Umm, since you re-pasted the verses, did you notice end of verse 3 (Eve quoting God) “...you will die” and beginning of 4 (Satan’s LIE) “You will not surely die”.


34 posted on 09/05/2010 7:18:56 AM PDT by time4good
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To: wintertime
Ann jumped the shark when she called the birthers “CRANKS!”

So what do you think of guys like Limbaugh and Levin?

ML/NJ

35 posted on 09/05/2010 7:43:35 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

She should have made it clear immediately that she did not agree with the radical agenda of the group. She should say “I’m going into the lion’s den and let them have it!”

Instead this gifted provocateur said nothing. She let the gay group trumpet her appearance as if she had come around to their side. Liberals like Frank Rich seized on her appearance at GOProud and said that Ann Coulter now agreed with the gay agenda.

No wonder that Farah thought that Ann Coulter was giving up the battle against gay marriage.


36 posted on 09/05/2010 7:51:12 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: time4good

Without the also forbidden “tree of life” did not man face an ultimate death anyway?


37 posted on 09/05/2010 7:58:21 AM PDT by KDD (When the government boot is on your neck, it matters not whether it is the right boot or the left.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Again you are right on! If it sounded as if I was disagreeing with you, there was miscommunication on my part.

Yes even with Fox, talk Radio, internet, bloggers etc, the average American still gets their news in some shape or form from the MSM.

Hey they still have the power to successfully demonize anybody we put out there (it seems)

Whom ever is the Republican nominee is going to be demonized by the MSM, it`s just the way it is. Thank God we do not have to win NY, California or Mass!

38 posted on 09/05/2010 7:59:00 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( PALIN / HOLTZ 2012 If you vote Democrat you support infanticide)
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To: GonzoII

The only thing today’s Conservatives want to conserve is their money. We are all Neocons now.


39 posted on 09/05/2010 8:02:22 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Friendofgeorge
If it sounded as if I was disagreeing with you, there was miscommunication on my part.

I understood that you agreed. I just went into mini-rant mode. lol

And fans of the talking heads can't accept or admit the damage their favorite talking heads are doing. And they ARE giving the press and homosexuals ammunition.

40 posted on 09/05/2010 8:08:36 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: heye2monn
Liberals like Frank Rich seized on her appearance at GOProud and said that Ann Coulter now agreed with the gay agenda. No wonder that Farah thought that Ann Coulter was giving up the battle against gay marriage.

Anyone who bases his opinion upon anything that Frank Rich says or writes is an idiot.

ML/NJ

41 posted on 09/05/2010 8:16:18 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
They are despicable and I have nothing but contempt for them.
42 posted on 09/05/2010 8:34:46 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: GonzoII
There is no middle ground on this issue.

Either you believe the Bible or you don't.

And don't spit in God's face!

43 posted on 09/05/2010 8:39:07 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: wintertime
They are despicable and I have nothing but contempt for them.

Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin are despicable? I think you would find that such a view is less than a minority opinion around here. Besides yourself whom do you respect as a champion of conservatism these days?

ML/NJ

44 posted on 09/05/2010 9:25:44 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin are despicable?
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The following is from another post on another thread:

I hold my deepest CONTEMPT and DISGUST for the conservative media who have steadfastly ignored Obama’s eligibility!

Rush Limbaugh?...I can barely stand to hear his voice! And “ditto” for the rest of the weenies: Coulter, Hannity, Beck, O’Reilly, Ingram, Levine...etc.!

If Rush and the rest can not stand up for and defend our Constitution (**ALL**of it!) when all they face is a little ridicule from the ruling elite, then why should we expect them to stand tall in the face of real tyranny? Huh? Only a fool would expect them to be brave when facing down tanks in the streets, jack boots at the door, and gas oven spewing cadaver smoke over the landscape.

If real tyranny comes to our nation, Rush and the others will sell their talents to the fascist oligarchy. They will spit shine the jack boots crushing our necks.

Rush uses the expression “Talent on loan from God!” Well!...There is real truth to that statement. If Rush, and the rest, can't defend honor **NOW**, God will raise up others that will eclipse their talent.

45 posted on 09/05/2010 9:31:49 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: wintertime
I guess you missed this question in the post of mine to which you replied: Besides yourself whom do you respect as a champion of conservatism these days?

ML/NJ

46 posted on 09/05/2010 9:38:29 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj; wintertime; Jim Robinson
Besides yourself whom do you respect as a champion of conservatism these days?

Jim Robinson.

47 posted on 09/05/2010 9:54:49 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: ml/nj
Besides yourself whom do you respect as a champion of conservatism these days?
ML/NJ
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Actually, the “leader” is not a person but sites like Free Republic.

It is amazing. On those rare days that I do listen to Rush and the other weenie yappers, **all** ( without exception) of the topics covered were posted on Free Republic the day before. And...much of the so-called “insightful” commentary is lifted directly ( without attribution) from the comments made by the posters.

48 posted on 09/05/2010 10:01:59 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: ml/nj

Besides yourself whom do you respect as a champion of conservatism these days?
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One more thought:

I could be listening to WABC right now ( so could many of the other posters here on Free Republic). I am not. Why? Because Free Republic gives me the fastest most comprehensive review of the news anywhere and is far, far, far, more current and insightful than anything I hear on talk radio.

Rush says, “ Talent on loan from God!” Well...If he fails to use his talent to defend the Constitution ( **ALL** of it!), God will raise up others who will. Maybe Jim Robinson is one of those people.


49 posted on 09/05/2010 10:10:40 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: ml/nj

It wasn’t just Rich. A number of liberals picked up on Ann’s silence and said she was going soft on the gay issue.

Why didn’t she deny it immediately? Failure to do so was an unforced error. It made people wonder even more.


50 posted on 09/05/2010 11:57:11 AM PDT by heye2monn
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