Posted on 09/05/2010 6:42:11 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles
Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.(Romans 4:9-12)
Was Abraham blessed by God because he was circumcised,and kept God’s statutes and commands? Was that how Abraham was so blessed? Or was it the other way around? That is, that Abraham believed in the gospel, was justified, and as an outcome of that justification, he was circumcised and conformed to God’s will.
Our text tells us that it is the second option. As a sinner , Abraham believed God, and was justified before God. All of Abraham’s good works came as a result of his justification, and outflow of being made the friend of God.
It was while Abraham was uncircumcised, that God reckoned righteousness unto him. All Abraham could say of himself was, that as an idolator , he met the LORD, who told him the good news of the one who would come through his loins, to bless every family on earth. He simply believed God.
Abraham was justified by God before any of his children were born. But he was not circumcised until his son Ishmael was 13 years old. He was justified well before he rendered any ‘works’ unto God. Saving faith in God’s promise is the cause and not the effect of all good works.
Why does it matter which came first, Abraham’s faith or his works? it matters because it is deeply ingrained in the human heart to want to earn God’s blessings, to put God in debt to ourselves. This is almost the default position of humanity, to try to earn our own way, to obligate God to ourselves by our own works. It is humbling to have to be rescued by a free gift.
It is critical to understand once and for all that God cannot and will not be indebted to any man. The only way to be saved is to humbly accept by faith the gift of God’s righteousness, and that it would be impossible to earn it.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (Romans 11:34-36)
The difference between Salvation by God’s grace and a religion that seeks to earn life by works, or obligate God, is the difference between Life and death, pride and humility, true spirituality and humanism, and even ultimately it will be the difference between heaven and hell.
Abraham was not justified by being circumcised , his circumcision came more that thirteen years after his justification. The circumcision was a seal, an evidence of his God given righteousness, it was an effect and not a cause. Abraham the idolator was justified and included in God’s purposes only by the free love and choice of the Holy God.
He is called the Father of all who believe because in Abraham, God took an idolator,revealed Himself to Him, preached the gospel to him, gave him faith to believe, justified him, and made him the Father of true faith for all time. That is the story of my life and countless millions of others also.
Though I am not physically a child of Abraham, my encounter with God as a sinner, who simply believed the gospel when it came to me, who was willing as a result of this faith, to “leave my Father’s land and kindred”(morally and spiritually) puts me in spiritual affinity with Abraham.
This is the teaching of Jesus, to the physical seed of Abraham, that it is spiritual affinity with Abraham that counts with God, not physical blood relation alone,
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham.But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham…Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.(John 8:39-40,56)
Therefore Abraham is ever the type , not only of the true Hebrew, (literally means One who crosses over”), but of all believing gentiles. The common thread is faith in the gospel of God. Abraham believed in Jesus, he believed in the gospel, and was justified by God.
I thank God that even my measure of faith is from Him. It’s all of Him...and none of us.
where in the Bible does the words “sola fide’ (faith alone) appear?
“Was Abraham blessed by God because he was circumcised,and kept God’s statutes and commands? Was that how Abraham was so blessed? Or was it the other way around? That is, that Abraham believed in the gospel, was justified, and as an outcome of that justification, he was circumcised and conformed to God’s will.”
What gospel did Abraham believe in? There was no written gospel.
Faith and works go hand in hand, you cannot have one without the other. Abraham had both, he could not have persevered if not for both.
you post: “Faith and works go hand in hand, you cannot have one without the other. Abraham had both, he could not have persevered if not for both”
So wrote the leader of the church after Jesus was crucified: James the Just, brother of Jesus, who with his counselors, Peter and John, led the followers until he, himself, was killed in 62AD
James 2:24
24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
9Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, 12and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. (Romans 4:1-6; 9-12)
So, as we see from Scripture, Abraham was justified by faith, as we see nothing mentioned there about any works Abraham did and no mention of works that were required by God of Abraham to be justified.
Abraham met the faith requirements God had at that time and was justified.
There were no works involved.
Who said it was in the Bible?
I am only saying the same thing Ephesians 2:8-10 is saying
What possible difference does that answer make? Seriously.
James 2:24
24: Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Who came first - Paul or James?
Who was closest to, knew personally (all his life) Jesus: John or Paul?
Who was the leader of the followers after the Crucifixion - Jesus or Paul?
Whose word might take precedence?
What works, persevering, through hell and high waters. How do you think he kept his faith going, through actions, seeking the unknown first of all, he had no clue at first but just believed.
He put this faith to work from the beginning. One does not work without the other.
Tis the protester Martin Luther who added faith alone to the Bible.
I get so tired of this argument. There is no faith without works also. Praying alone is putting your faith to work.
James 2:24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
There is no contradiction in this- Paul is saying Merit has nothing to do with Justification, you cannot earn it, deserve it or work for it James is saying that the one confessing to have faith,is making an empty confession if his faith doesn't result in corresponding works.
Yes, he was fulfilling the gospel with his actions (works).
I was referring to written gospel, he had no written gospel to go on, only what was being revealed to him and he fulfilled the ongoing gospel with his faith and actions.
True, Rose, but that is what faith is, a believing response to God’s revelation-
The “Works” Pual refers to are Meritorious works- We can’t
“Work for” pur salvation, we cannot earn it, nor can we indebt God in any way- all is of the free gift of Grace- We can only respond(As Abraham did) in Faith-
9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
The disciples didn't have such an hierarchical mindset . We don't chose between Peter,Paul or James, none of their teachings have precedence over others- These are the apostles of Jesus- their teachings do not contradict each other- they are the "Doctrine of Christ"
Some people come to God through faith and action and some come to God through action, then faith.
I detest judging. Even our Lord tells us, judge not, that thou be not judged.
Instead of arguing which came first, work on being a walking sermon and being an example that leads to a person's salvation.
Hey Rose- I am feeling judged by your last paragraph-(ha ha)
“Which Came First,Faith or Works?”
Oooh, provocative.
;o)
Where in the Bible does the word “pope” appear?
You would have to ask Paul the apostle that question, he is the one who made it an issue by expounding on it in Romans 4-(which is the very Word of God). I guess if its an issue to him, it should be to s as well.
ROTFL!!!!
He put this faith to work from the beginning. One does not work without the other.
List from Scripture the works Abraham had to do to be justified.
Tis the protester Martin Luther who added faith alone to the Bible.
I believe this predates Martin Luther:
I get so tired of this argument.
Yeah, me too. I get sick of having to repeatedly post Scripture for people who call themselves by the name of Christ and should have at least a rudimentary knowledge of the Bible they claim to believe in.
There is no faith without works also.
Salvation is not attained by works, but by faith alone.
:o)
Martin Luther put the faith alone in scripture, by dear.
I have studied scripture all of my life and I am past 70.
I have studied and researched church history, (all churches).
Do not put your way of thinking in front of God. He can save anyone whether they have faith first or works first. What matters is salvation, and salvation is from God.
Oh well, You're not the first to do that nor will you be the last. You may want to think about the ramifications, though.
P.S. Your snarky comment is highly judgmental of where I am coming from and believe. You have no clue to me and my faith, knowledge, or beliefs.
Be careful what you put out there next time if what you write is not what you really believe.
I told you the faith alone was not in original scripture, was added by Martin Luther.
You may read what I write and still not get it, you may be judging me by your mindset. Let God judge me, I am not afraid, fear, yes, a healthy loving fear of God, but I am not afraid.
Funny, good one.
I was referring to all of us including me.
Please post it.
Otherwise, it sure looks like you're denying the words of God, which is not a position I would want to be in.
While you're at it, post the works God requires people to perform before they can receive the free gift of salvation that Jesus Christ gave His life to provide.
Nobody in the history of the world has ever been able to find those required works; maybe you can enlighten us.
And I do get it. I've heard and read it a million times and the fact remains the same. There is no Scripture that supports the false doctrine that man is required to perform works in order to be saved.
I have provided the Biblical passages which support the truth that salvation is attained by faith alone. You choose to reject that Scripture.
That's what it comes down to, it's a cold, hard fact, and it has nothing to do with me judging you.
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Romans 4:5: "To the man who does not work, but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.
Rom 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Now what did the EARLY Chruch Fathers believe?
“Similarly we also, who by His will have been called in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, or our own wisdom or understanding or godliness, nor by such deeds as we have done in holiness of heart, but by that faith through which Almighty God has justified all men since the beginning of time. Glory be to Him, forever and ever, Amen.” -St. Clement of Rome (Letter to the Corinthians, par. 32)
“Human beings can be saved from the ancient serpent in no other way than by believing in him who, when he was raised up from the earth on the tree of martyrdom in the likeness of sinful flesh, drew all things to himself and gave life to the dead.” -St. Irenaeus (Against the Heresies, IV, 2, 7)
“They said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed; but he, Paul, shows that he who adhered to faith alone is blessed.” -St. John Chrysostom (First Corinthians, Homily 20)
"God does not wait for time to elapse after repentance. You state your sin, you are justified. You repented, you have been shown mercy." -St. John Chrysostom (Homily 7 On Repentance and Compunction, p. 95 in FOTC, vol. 96)
Wages cannot be considered as a gift, because they are due to work, but God has given free grace to all men by the justification of faith." -Hilary of Poitiers (c. 315-67)
To those attempting to commend themselves to God paul has these words
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Works comes out of faith in the One Who wants us to do good works. (Eph. 2:10) But even the measure of faith we have is given by God. (Rom. 12:3) I find it very comforting to know that He is the Author & Perfector of my faith.
Pinging myself for later more reading and studying.
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 (New International Version)
14I am not writing this to shame you, but to warn you, as my dear children. 15Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your Father through the gospel.
(New International Version)
Stephen the Martyr address the Sanhedrin. He calls them Fathers. Yet He later is martyred and goes to Heaven.
7 (New International Version) Acts 7 Stephen's Speech to the Sanhedrin 1Then the high priest asked him, "Are these charges true?" 2To this he replied: "Brothers and Fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran. Acts 7 Stephen's Speech to the Sanhedrin 1Then the high priest asked him, "Are these charges true?" 2To this he replied: "Brothers and Fathers, listen to me! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was still in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran.
Acts 7:55-58 (New International Version) 55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."
“While you’re at it, post the works God requires people to perform before they can receive the free gift of salvation that Jesus Christ gave His life to provide.”
“Nobody in the history of the world has ever been able to find those required works; maybe you can enlighten us.”
“And I do get it. I’ve heard and read it a million times and the fact remains the same. There is no Scripture that supports the false doctrine that man is required to perform works in order to be saved.”
Where on earth do you get the required works theory?
I have never heard that we are required to perform works in order to be saved.
The works that is there is natural to faith. You cannot have one without the other. You do not receive faith and remain dead, a stone, there is fruition from such, works.
As stated prayer is works, being faithful to your state in life is works , such as I, being faithful and caring for my family through God’s love and help. I could not do such w/out God.
And to referring to work leading to faith, it does happen, a person starts out working in order to please God, God looks down and saves them. I do not say work saves them, I am saying they travel this road and are led to God, His Grace, His gift.
I was saved through the gift of the Holy Spirit and faith first. Some have to go about it through learning God through works and they meet God on that road. The main part is they find God and are saved.
No where is works required, I am saying we all travel a road to salvation, we get there trough different means. Some start out through their works and find God. Some of us find God before works.
IV. Jesus’ Teaching on Losing Salvation
Matt. 7:18 - Jesus says that sound trees bear good fruit. But there is no guarantee that a sound tree will stay sound. It could go rotten.
Matt. 7:21 - all those who say “Lord, Lord” on the last day will not be saved. They are judged by their evil deeds.
Matt. 12:30-32 - Jesus says that he who is not with Him is against Him, therefore (the Greek for “therefore” is “dia toutos” which means “through this”) blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. This means that failing to persevere in Jesus’ grace to the end is the unforgivable sin against the Spirit. We must persevere in faith to the end of our lives.
Matt. 22:14 - Jesus says many are called but few are chosen. This man, who was destined to grace, was at God’s banquet, but was cast out.
Luke 8:13 - Jesus teaches that some people receive the word with joy, but they have no root, believe for a while, and then fall away in temptation. They had the faith but they lost it.
Luke 12:42-46 - we can start out as a faithful and wise steward, then fall away and be assigned to a place with the unfaithful.
Luke 15:11-32 – in the parable of the prodigal son, we learn that we can be genuine sons of the Father, then leave home and die, then return and be described as “alive again.”
John 6:70-71 - Jesus chose or elected twelve, yet one of them, Judas, fell. Not all those predestined to grace persevere to the end.
John 15:1-10 - we can be in Jesus (a branch on the vine), and then if we don’t bear fruit, are cut off, wither up and die. Paul makes this absolutely clear in Rom. 11:20-23.
John 17:12 - we can be given to Jesus by the Father (predestined to grace) and yet not stay with Jesus, like Judas.
John 6:37 - those who continue to come to Jesus He won’t cast out. But it’s a continuous, ongoing action. We can leave Jesus and He will allow this because He respects our freewill.
John 6:39 - Jesus will not lose those the Father gives Him, but we can fall away, like Judas. God allows us not to persevere.
John 6:40 - everyone who sees the Son and believes means the person “continues” to believe. By continuing to believe, the person will persevere and will be raised up. Belief also includes obedience, which is more than an intellectual belief in God.
John 6:44 - Jesus says no one can come to me unless the Father “draws” him. This “drawing” is an ongoing process.
John 10:27-28 - when Jesus says, “no one shall snatch them out of my hands,” He does not mean we can’t leave His hands. We can choose to walk away from Him.
Rev. 2:4-5 – Jesus tells the Ephesians that they abandoned the love they had at first and have fallen. Jesus warns them to repent and do the works they did at first, otherwise He will remove their lampstand (their awaited place in heaven).
Rev. 3:4 - in Sardis, Jesus explained that some people received the white garment and soiled it with sin.
Rev. 3:5 - Jesus says whoever conquers will not be blotted out of the book of life (see Exodus 32:33). This means that we can be blotted out of the book of life. We can have salvation, and then lose salvation by our choice.
Rev. 3:11 - Jesus says to hold fast to what we have, so that no one may seize our crown. Jesus teaches us that we can have the crown of salvation and lose it.
Rev. 13:10; 14:12 - we are called from heaven for the endurance and faith of the saints, keeping the commandments and faith.
Rev. 21:7 - we must conquer in order to share in our heritage and become a true son of Jesus.
Rev. 22:19 - we can have a share in the tree of life in God’s holy city and yet have that share taken away from us.
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V. Other Apostolic Teaching on Losing Salvation by our Own Choice
Acts 7:51 - you stiff-necked people, you always resist the Holy Spirit. We, by our own freewill, can resist God and His grace, and turn away from Him.
Rom. 11:20-23 – in expounding on Jesus’ teaching in John 15, Paul teaches that the Jews (the natural branches) were broken off by lack of faith (v.20), but says that the Romans stand fast through faith (v. 21). So the Romans are justified. However, Paul then says that the Romans can also be cut off if they don’t persevere in faith and kindness (v. 22-23). Hence, those justified before God can fall away from the faith and lose their salvation (be “cut off”). Paul also says that those who are cut off can be grafted back in if they do not persist in their unbelief, for God has the power to graft them in again (v.23). These verses are devastating to the “once saved, always saved” position.
1 Cor. 9:24-27 – Paul says that all the runners compete, but only one wins the prize. Paul recognizes that if he doesn’t train himself properly in perseverance, he too can become “disqualified.” The word “disqualified” comes from the Greek word “adokimos” which literally means cut off from Christ, or reprobate. When “adokimos” is used in the Scriptures, it always refers to those who are to be condemned by God. It has nothing to do with going to heaven with less rewards. See, for example, Rom. 1:28; Titus 1:16; 2 Tim. 3:8; Heb. 6:8; 2 Cor. 13:5-7. This proves that Saint Paul thought he could lose his salvation. No one would reasonably argue that Paul wasn’t “saved” when he wrote the Scriptures. So if Saint Paul thought that he could lose his salvation, why do many Protestants think that they cannot lose theirs?
1 Cor. 9:24 – Paul says that only one wins the “prize” (brabeion). To further prove that the race Paul is writing about refers to our journey to heaven, “brabeion” always has a soteriological implication. See, for example, Phil. 3:14 where “prize” refers to the upward call of God in Christ Jesus (which is heaven).
1 Cor. 9:25 – Paul writes about achieving the “imperishable” (aphthartos) wreath. Again, to further prove Paul is writing about salvation, “aphthartos” always refers to the eternal. See, for example, 1 Cor. 15:51 (the only other place in NT Scripture where “aphthartos” appears relative to humans) where Paul says the dead will be raised “imperishable.” This refers to the resurrection of our salvation. See also 1 Tim. 1:17 where the King of ages is called “immortal” (imperishable).
Rom. 13:11 – for salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. If we already have salvation, then how can we only be nearer to it?
1 Cor. 4:4 - Paul says he is not aware of anything against himself, but he is still not acquitted. Paul is not presumptuous about his salvation. Only the Lord is our Judge.
1 Cor. 6:9-11 - we can be washed, sanctified, and justified, yet Paul still warns us that we can be deceived and become unrighteous.
1 Cor. 10:6-13 – the passage is about how the Israelites, once justified before God, fell away from God. Therefore, let anyone who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall (v.12). You can be standing in God’s grace, and then fall away. But God will always provide enough grace to overcome the temptation (v.13).
1 Cor. 15:1-2 - we can be believers (predestined to grace) but believe in vain. Scripture refutes the novel Protestant theory “once saved, always saved.”
2 Cor. 6:1 - we can receive the grace of God (predestined to grace) in vain. We can choose not to cooperate with His grace.
2 Cor. 11:2-3 – Paul writes, “I betrothed you to Christ, but I am afraid that your thoughts will be led astray from a devotion to Christ.” The Corinthians already had a sincere devotion to Christ, for Paul wrote to them earlier in the letter, “you stand firm in your faith.” (2 Cor. 1:24). They are already “saved.” But Paul warns them that they can fall away just like Eve fell away (and, remember, Eve was created without sin!) This is another verse that is devastating to the belief of “once saved, always saved.”
Gal. 1:8-9 – Paul says, “if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel to that which we preached to you…let him be accursed.” Paul says “if we,” which means he believed even the sacred writers (currently “saved”) could fall away from the true faith and teach a heretical gospel.
Gal. 4:9 – Paul asks those who know God how they can now turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits, whose slaves they once were. Paul acknowledges and warns of this possibility.
Gal. 5:1 – Paul writes that the Galatians are free in Christ, but warns them to stand fast, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. You cannot be severed from Christ if you were never connected to Christ. This warning applies to those who are connected to Christ in faith.
Gal. 5:4 - Paul teaches that we can be in Christ, then be severed from Him and fall away from God’s grace. You cannot be severed from something unless you were previously connected to it.
Phil. 2:12 - we cannot assume salvation. We need to work it out to the end with fear and trembling. If “once saved, always saved” were true, why would the great apostle Paul have to work his salvation out in fear and trembling? What is there to fear if salvation is assured?
Phil. 3:11-14 – Paul writes that “if possible,” he may attain the resurrection, says he is not perfect, and presses on toward the prize of salvation. Paul has no presumption of salvation but works it out in fear and trembling.
Col. 1:21-23 - we have now been reconciled in His body to be presented holy and blameless, provided we continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel which we heard. Paul warns them that it is possible to turn away and lose hope in the gospel.
Col. 2:18-19 - a man puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind has lost the connection with Jesus. He had the connection and lost it.
1 Tim. 1:5-6 - some people have wandered away from a sincere faith, a pure heart and a good conscience. They had a sincere (not a fake) faith, and still fell away.
1 Tim. 1:19-20 - Paul tells Timothy to hold fast to the faith, and not shipwreck it like Alexander and Hymenaeus. They had it, and then they lost it.
1 Tim. 4:1 - the Spirit “expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons.” God Himself is telling us that some people who had the faith will lose the faith.
1 Tim. 5:8 - if we do not provide for our relatives, we have disowned the faith (we had the faith, and we lost it).
1 Tim. 5:15 – Paul says that some have already turned away and gone after Satan. There is never any distinction between falling away from a true faith versus a false faith.
1 Tim. 6:10 - for the love of riches we may wander from the faith (we had the faith, and we can lose the faith).
Heb. 2:1 - we must pay closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it. We have it, but we can drift away from it.
Heb. 3:12 – the author warns the Hebrews to take care, lest there be in any one of you an evil heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. We can be with God, and choose to fall away from Him.
Heb. 3:13-14 – the author warns the Hebrews that they need to exhort one another every day, so that none of them may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. Paul teaches that we share in Christ, but only if we hold our first confidence firm to the end.
Heb. 4:1 - while the promise of entering his rest remains, let us fear lest any of you be judged to have failed to reach it. There would be nothing to fear if salvation were assured.
Heb. 4:6,11 - we can receive the good news (predestined to grace) and then disobey it and fall away. The author thus exhorts us to strive to enter that rest, that no one falls by the same sort of disobedience.
Heb. 6:4-6 - those who have been enlightened and partakers of the Holy Spirit (predestined to grace) can fall away, commit apostasy and crucify the Son of God.
Heb. 10:23-29 - we can sin deliberately after receiving knowledge of the truth (predestined to grace) and then face a fury of fire.
Heb. 10:26 - if we continue to sin after knowing truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sin - our salvation is jeopardized.
Heb. 10:35 - we can have confidence in salvation (predestined to grace), and then throw it away. We can have it, and lose it.
Heb. 10:36: - we have the need of endurance, so that we may do the will of God and receive what is promised. There is no need for endurance to get what is promised if salvation is assured.
Heb. 10:38-39 – the author says that the righteous live by faith, but can shrink back. He then exhorts the people not to shrink back and be destroyed, but to keep their souls.
James 5:19-20 - we can be in the truth, and then wander from the truth which means death, unless we are brought back.
1 Peter 1:14 – Peter warns that, as obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance. Thus, you can first be ignorant, then receive the truth and become obedient, and later revert back to the passions of your former ignorance.
2 Peter 2:1 - we can be bought by Christ, and then become false teachers of destructive heresies and destroy ourselves.
2 Peter 1:10 – we must be zealous to confirm our call and election; for if we do this we will never fall. But Peter is saying that it is possible to fall, without zeal and perseverance.
2 Peter 2:15 – forsaking the right way they have gone astray; they have followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing. They had the right way, and then chose to forsake it.
2 Peter 2:20-22 - we can escape the defilements of the world through Jesus (predestined to grace) and then become entangled again therein.
2 Peter 3:16-17 - we can be the beloved of God and then lose our stability and carried away with the error of lawless men.
1 John 1:7 - if we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus cleanses us. But we need continual cleansing, and can walk out of the light.
1 John 1:9 - if we confess our sins, Jesus will forgive them and cleanse us. But we need continual cleansing. Growing in holiness is a lifelong process.
1 John 2:19 - “they left, but didn’t not belong to us” refers to those who were Christians who did not persevere and were thus not predestined to glory.
1 John 2:28 - we must abide in Him so we have confidence and don’t shrink in shame. If we fail to abide, we are lost.
2 John 8 - look to yourselves, that you may not lose what you have worked for. You can lose the grace you currently have.
Jude 6 - even some of the angels, who beheld the face of God, fell. How much more could we fall?
Gen. 3:6 - Adam and Eve, who were already living the divine life of supernatural grace, fell away from God. Is falling more possible for us?
Ezek. 3:20; 18:24; 33:12,13,18 – the Lord clearly teaches us in these verses that a righteous man can turn away from his righteousness and commit iniquity. He was righteous (there is nothing about having phony righteousness), but he fell away and chose unrighteousness. When he does, his prior good deeds shall be forgotten, and he shall die.
Context/context/context...
The book of James was written to a converted church , not heathens seeking salvation . It tells them how their conversion is seen by the unsaved world . It is not about becoming saved or being saved. It is about the fruit of your salvation.
James 18 Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19 You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son on the altar?
22 See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which said, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
This is an amplification of the teaching of Jesus that we know a tree by the fruit it bears. It is how we know the saved from the unsaved. It does not declare that the man has faith ...but that he SAYS he has faith.
This addresses a hollow profession of faith , not a saving one .Can a hollow profession save him? NO, any more than works can save.This scripture says to the church that this faith is non existent , it is dead.
The bible is clear that it is God that gives the faith and it is God that ordains the works of the saved
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
So then what do we do with the words that contradict earlier scripture that Abraham was justified by Faith alone?(Hebrews 11/12 /Romans 4:13
Well a reading of the scripture in context matters..
This book was written to the saved on how to live out their lives as Christian in a hostile environment.. The only way men can see the faith of men is by the works that flow from our salvation...James is speaking about how the world CAN SEE our justification .Just as Jesus spoke of the fruit that should grow FROM our salvation
.James also addresses this in his book
Lets look at the scripture about Abraham again
22 See you how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which said, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Would we say all the time that God loved Abraham , guided him and kept His covenant God did not know Abraham was His friend?
NO, Abraham was always a friend of God ... this scripture is showing us how Abraham SHOWED to men that he was saved.. They saw he was willing to be obedient to the father even if it meant the death of his only son at his hand.. and so MEN SAW THAT HE WAS A FRIEND OF GOD....
In this event Abraham was a type of the father and Isaac a type of Christ.. this was a prophetic event meant to be seen of men...
I know Catholics do not like Paul..but Paul was a recognized apostle of Christ.. a chosen vessel to bring the gospel to the gentiles..Jesus HIMSELF selected Paul and his words are infallible scripture..
You can not throw out most of the teachings of the church just because you do not like them..that is building your own God ..an idol
I’m so glad I didn’t have to work my way into the Lamb’s Book of Life. But because my name is there, I love to do His work.
Faith is a work of God ...not a work of men..lest any man can boast
Amen sister...
We are to obey our Savior by surrendering our will to Him, surrendering our plans and dreams to Him, and living our lives according to His will for us.
I agree that Jesus has a plan for each of our lives and He has work planned for us to do.
He did not die for us so that we could not be a blessing to others. After we are saved by faith in His finished work on the cross, then we work out our salvation by hearing Jesus' voice and obeying His will in our lives and doing the work He has planned for us to do.
God Bless You.
God bless you too.
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