Posted on 09/05/2010 2:02:39 PM PDT by Colofornian
Like conservative commentator Glenn Beck, Stephen Owens is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. His in-laws traveled from Utah to Washington last weekend to join Beck's rally at the Lincoln Memorial.
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And when the Salt Lake City lawyer read that Beck publicly questioned President Obama's "version of Christianity" the day after the rally, he was so angry that he wrote a letter to the local newspaper.
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..."My view of that is, if someone says, 'I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ,' then they're Christian, and who am I to say, 'No, you're not,' let alone [to] the president of our country? I was offended at that."
Owens's comments reflect the mixed opinions that members of the Mormon Church have of Beck's higher profile. Some see his rise as a sign of Mormonism going mainstream, while others worry that he is a divisive figure who does not represent Mormon values.
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Mormons have faced considerable obstacles when it comes to politics and perceptions among the American public. A Time magazine poll released last week showed that 29 percent of Americans hold unfavorable views of Mormons, compared with 43 percent who had unfavorable views of Muslims, 17 percent who felt unfavorably toward Catholics and 13 percent who viewed Jews unfavorably.
During Romney's 2008 presidential bid, some viewed his Mormon faith as a liability. A Pew survey at the time showed that 25 percent of Americans - including 36 percent of evangelical Republicans - expressed reservations about voting for a Mormon for president.
And while Mormons consider themselves Christians, key tenets of the Mormon Church are disputed by mainstream Christian denominations - a disparity that critics say adds to the irony of Beck questioning another person's Christian faith...
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
And while Mormons consider themselves Christians, key tenets of the Mormon Church are disputed by mainstream Christian denominations - a disparity that critics say adds to the irony of Beck questioning another person’s Christian faith.
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i. The Trinity...Christians believe there is ONE God in Three Persons...God the Father, God the Word (Jesus, the Lamb of God and God the Holy Spirit...
Mormons do not...
This isn’t news.
This is projection and anecdotes.
Glenn has experienced Mormonism, maybe time to come back home to Catholic family.
I don’t follow the logic: both Hillary Clinton and Glenn Beck are popular.
“My view of that is, if someone says, ‘I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ,’ then they’re Christian,”
‘I follow the teaching of Jesus Christ’ just means the person respects Jesus as a teacher. I’m pretty sure all major religions regard Him as such.
However, Jesus is not just a teacher. “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” Romans 10:9
That’s a Christian.
true enough but the hate Mormon crowd always have to say something. Not many of these fools around but still a few.
Consider the source of the article folks.
LOL. Get over it.
Owens is worried that Beck will hurt Romney’s chances.
Furthermore, the WaPo uses the silly “upwards of 87,000” in attendance again.
His in-laws traveled from Utah to Washington last weekend to join Beck's rally at the Lincoln Memorial
Yeah, so what?
A far left Moonbat (and I bet an Barack O'Bummer supporter) who--if one reads this article quickly might perceive that he (himself) traveled to DC, yet it was his "in laws--the WA (COM)Post dredges up (cuz he's a Mormon, dontcha know?) to muddy the waters.
I'm assuming that the "in laws"--who were actually in attendance--were "unavailable for comment?"
Yeah, right!!
Now back to under whatever rock you reside Felicia, you far-left, biased, bottom-feeding, slimeball!
Catholics like saints, Protestants dont. No one has this down to a science.
Beck is harmless. I wish Mormons had mixed views of Romney’s “rise”.
The article states Owens is a Democrat and he “rolls his eyes” at Beck’s views...betcha he rolls his eyes at more than his religious views...magritte
Catholics believe Mary was a virgin, just like Protestants do...
Mormon believe Mary had sex with one of their mormon gods...
The science lesson today is biology for the mormnons
A miracle from God for the Christians..
Wow, so that’s what the lefties actually think?
In what way is Cotto a “lefty?”
So you're quoting a Salt Lake City Lawyer who says he's a Democrat (and Mormon) -- this Mr. Owens -- and saying we should follow suit, eh?
Hmmm...what other Democratic lawyer pied piper types do YOU recommend we follow?
Lol...it’s your article you posted and excerpted his particular quote so I assumed you had a change of heart and were leaving your anti-Mormon ways behind...my misunderstanding...magritte
IF Beck--due to his faith--is constantly taken to task for NOT being a "True" (and as a Catholic, I find that hard to define) Christian then should not the Lib Loon fellow Mormon and you who constantly question Beck being a "Real" Christian--rather than attacking him--be defending him and his right to do what others do of him (Glenn) and that of his questioning O'Bozzo's claim that he is a "Christian?"
I don't see many of the Beck Haters here doing that, in spite of Dear Leader having said, or done anything, or given little or no outward appearance of he being a "Christian!"
I tend to agree with Coulter that the Anointed One is probably an atheist, cuz anyone as Egotistical and Narcissistic as he is, could not possibly believe in a Higher Being/Religion and may even delusion-ally consider himself some sort of "Messiah!"
Therefore, Beck has every right to question whether O'Bozzo is in fact (which many of us know already) a phony thru and thru and while he many not be a Muslim, his claim of being a Christian, falls on skeptical, if not, deaf ears!
“My view of that is, if someone says, ‘I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ,’ then they’re Christian, and who am I to say, ‘No, you’re not,’ let alone [to] the president of our country? I was offended at that.”
Jesus didn’t come to teach.
He came to die.
Well, on this part, good point. The fact that 93-94% of Mormon voters (or at least Mormon Republicans in some of the following states) voted for Romney in the primary, shows either their commitment to "identity politics" or they voted for Romney just because or primarily because he's a Mormon...something many FReepers keep scolding us that we're not supposed to do.
States: UT, Az (8% Lds), Nevada (8% Lds) & Wyoming
I like saints...according to scripture, i r one.
Btw, this will be the only time the Washington Post quotes Mormons in a remotely positive light. After this Beck hit piece, the Post will go back to portraying them as gay-hating Republican automatons.
Wrong. Protestants like saints, also. They just don’t pray to them.
OK. Beck has a right to...
...#1 at least raise the question if either a certain group of people -- or in this case, Obama himself, will eventually be saved. Qualifiers: Unless you are referencing a group of people who embrace false doctrines -- like Jesus himself did in Revelation 2:6, 15, then I usually recommend this be done privately, face-to-face and not launched as public rhetoric...
...#2 certainly raise the Q of the content and direction of Obama's faith...Qualifiers: Although Beck doesn't have the right to judge exactly what's on the inside of Obama's heart (only God sees that). Also, nobody has the right to say to another "you are going to hell" unless they are a prophet from God who's been specifically directed to say that -- 'cause otherwise, who knows the future?
(Not saying Beck said all of the above...but I added those qualifiers because sometimes all of those things are unfairly lumped together when the issue of "questioning one's faith" is brought up).
There. That good 'nough for ya?
The shyster from Salt Lake City should get out more. Barry O. is pro-homosexuality (our first "gay president"), and has never met an unborm baby that he didn't want to abort (hence the "burdened" comment). Let me check the Bible again on Jesus' stance on those issues (not to mention the redistribution of wealth).
Glenn Beck is nothing but a worthless libertarian (he admits the libertarian part, the worthless is obvious) who on O'Reilly mocked the institution of marriage, saying "What, are they [homosexuals] going to come and get us?"
While the Mormon's might not follow the correct path to Heaven, many of them sacrificed dearly in the battle against the atheist-sodomites in the CA Prop 8 war's; for which I will always be grateful.
Well, I see your point here. Certainly no fan of the Post. But your first comment either shows you don't read the Post enough, or, you forgot that Harry Reid is a diehard Mormon.
Protestants ARE saints...Of course we like us...
I agree.
And we need to commend all those Mormons who gave to the cause of Prop 8 -- many at a cost more than $.
Such a great turnaround considering that the great-great grandparents, or the great-great-great grandparents, or the great-great-great-great grandparents of many of those who gave to protect marriage actually tried to destroy monogamy in this land!
(That's why in 1856, the fledgling Republican party put its #1 & #2 social agenda as to take on what it labeled as the "twic relics of barbarism" -- slavery and polygamy...and why in 1898, the people of this land delivered 28 banner rolls totaling 7 million signatures to turn back Utah-elected Democrat B.H. Roberts to Congress, which Congress indeed turned back...Roberts had taken on yet a third wife early in the 1890s after Mormons were trying to slowly shut the door on polygamy in 1890).
This goes to show that social change toward conservatism is indeed possible 2-4 generations down the line! (Thank you, Mormons for your heavy Prop 8 contributions!...and BTW, many aren't aware that Mormons were also heavily involved in passing Proposition 22 in California in 2000 -- a voter-enacted law honoring marriages only between opposite-sex couples. The CA Supreme Court took aim @ what voters did in 2000 by striking it down in May 2008 as supposedly being "contrary to the state constitution.")
Oh, I don’t know . . . maybe someone who is obsessed with class structure?
Really??? You mean to say that millions of people don't all think the exact same thing? This is news!!!!
Really??? You mean to say that millions of people don't all think the exact same thing? This is news!!!!
The problem with that is I don't think 0bama has ever said that without qualifying into meaninglessness.
“Man-made religions are inherently satanic and evil”
ALL “religions” are “manmade.” G-d, however, is NOT. G-d made man.
Oh, come on, now. The Post, CNN, the networks can range on any given story from being 100% deceit to 0% deceit. (They're all over the map on any given piece, depending upon the agenda, the journalist, the editors, and the behind-the-scenes decision-makers & other influencers).
You can't do a one-size-fits all accusation.
That is reason enough to investigate how is it that one man-made religion (Mormonism) expresses support for another man-made religion (Islam) could have any connection to God's relationship with His Scripture-defined fellows/family-members...
There's been a lot of FR threads of Lds mentioning shared components with Islam.
Not true. I'm a Protestant and I have liked the saints since the days of "Aints" and paper bags.
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Well, it was a slow Friday, after all. The editor who wrote the headline was indeed "Captain Obvious" for the day. :)
Good point.
Does this sound like a leftist "class structure" position to you?
you mean Mormons stab each other in the back? Or they object to Becks idea of Mormoniss?
It was not very difficult to see that the vast majority of the attendees at Beck's rally were lower-middle-to-working class, more than likely from small towns or rural areas, and relatively ambivalent about the fiscal aspects of the political process.
It sounds like leftist ‘class-structure’ bigotry that’s for sure.
And the thing that got me was, according to the author, “lower-middle-to-working class, more than likely from small towns or rural areas” are more likely to be ambivalent about the fiscal process.
As much financial fraud as has been committed in the church the past two years (side to side, not top down), the answer is yes...on the other hand, Lds can be faithful to one another...like BYU inviting Harry Reid & giving him a grand welcome/reception Oct. '07 before an all-student, all-faculty speaking event.
For your full Q, ask Mormons.
PROOF THAT OBAMA IS A MUSLIM!- From his own lips (Video)"In this video, which was taken as a clip from a speech Obama made in Cairo in 2009, Obama clearly dispels the belief that he is a muslim by recounting the story of Isra-- (something we Christians are all familiar with)- the night Mohammed (peace be upon him) mounted his flying horse and prayed with Jesus. Can we at last put this "Obama is a muslim" nonsense behind us?"
Does any Christian, of any sect or sub-sect, believe the story of Isra? How many have ever heard of it? Is there a Jew on the face of the earth that believes it or considers it a part of Jewish doctrine?
Yet 0bama speaks of the story of Isra as if fondly recounting a story held in high regard by all Christians, Jews and Muslims.
wacompost leftist propaganda machine sowing division and strife. Not gonna work this time.
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