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The Feast of Trumpets
When the Stars Fall, Vol. 1 ^ | July 2010 | Michael Bugg

Posted on 09/08/2010 5:57:07 AM PDT by Buggman

Yom Teruah, better known as Rosh Hashannah, is upon us. I'd thought about creating a nice, elaborate blog post, but decided instead to take the opportunity to plug my book, When the Stars Fall, Vol. 1, by linking to the .pdf of the sample of Interlude 5: The Feast of Trumpets. Here are a few highlights to whet your appitite:

However, [Rosh Hashannah is] not it’s Biblical name, which is Yom Teruah, the Day of the [Trumpet] Blast:
The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, shall be a solemn rest to you, a memorial of blowing [of shofars], a holy convocation. You shall do no regular work; and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD.’”51

In the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall have a holy convocation; you shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing [of shofars] to you.52

In each of these passages, “shofars” is in brackets because it’s not actually in the Hebrew text; however, teruah can and usually does mean to sound the trumpet (though it can mean to shout with a voice as well) and the use of a shofar on this day is considered so axiomatic that there is literally no debate in Jewish tradition on the matter. The shofar may be made from the horn of any kosher animal save that of the bull, in memory of the sin of the golden calf.
Shalom, and L'shannah Tova.

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A pre-Rosh Hashannah offering for my brethren in Yeshua. For my more traditional Jewish friends, my apologies if this offends, but I have to write the truth of Scripture as the Holy One has revealed it to me. Lashannah Tova and Shalom.
1 posted on 09/08/2010 5:57:08 AM PDT by Buggman
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For those who might be interested.

Shalom

2 posted on 09/08/2010 5:58:54 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman
I have to write the truth of Scripture as the Holy One has revealed it to me.

So correct.

Shana tovah & todah.

ML/NJ

3 posted on 09/08/2010 6:03:05 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Buggman
Thank you for distinguishing Yom Teruah from Rosh Hashannah as the "new year," about which there is nothing Biblical.

The only troublesome part is that our congregation is so tragically inept with the shofar. Enduring the staccato blasts, sputters, squeaks, and hisses is effectively comedic torture. But the book sez "do it," so do it we do.

It is an awakening all righty, one proper in preparation for atonement all on its own.

4 posted on 09/08/2010 6:10:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Buggman

Thanks, and to you!


5 posted on 09/08/2010 6:10:38 AM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thank you for distinguishing Yom Teruah from Rosh Hashannah as the "new year," about which there is nothing Biblical.

The first day of the seventh month is the "new year of years." It is the anniversary of the Sixth Day of Creation and of Adam and Eve's creation. Years are numbered from the seventh month, as is evident in the instructions concerning the shemitah and yovel years, which are dated from the seventh month, not the first month.

The first month (Nisan) is the new year of the seasons, the new moons, the Biblical feasts, and the reign of Jewish kings. The intercalation is made prior to the first month, which fixes the months and seasons for the year to come. But years (such as the shemitah and yovel mentioned above) are still dated from the seventh month, which is when the year itself changes.

6 posted on 09/08/2010 6:34:28 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zokhrenu lechayyim Melekh chafetz bachayyim; vekhotvenu beSefer HaChayyim lema`ankha 'Eloqim Chayyim)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Buggman
The first day of the seventh month is the "new year of years."

That is a tradition. It is not in the Tanakh.

It is the anniversary of the Sixth Day of Creation and of Adam and Eve's creation.

That is a tradition. It is not in the Tanakh.

Years are numbered from the seventh month, as is evident in the instructions concerning the shemitah and yovel years, which are dated from the seventh month, not the first month.

You are correct that the Talmud Yerushalayim Tractate Sheviis records the Mishnaic ruling that the Shemitta year (and therefore Yoveil) begin on Rosh Hashannah. However, that ruling falls afoul of Devarim 31:10-11 which goes completely unmentioned through several chapters of discussion on the topic:

Dev. 31:10 And Moses commanded them, saying: 'At the end of every seven years, in the set time of the year of release, in the feast of tabernacles, 11 when all Israel is come to appear before HaShem thy G-d in the place which He shall choose, thou shalt read this law before all Israel in their hearing.'

You cannot have the end of the agricultural year right after beginning it. That the ruling does not even discuss this apparent conflict with the Torah is a red flag; there had to be a reason for it that goes undiscussed through the entire volume. Nor is this an isolated omission, as the founding verses for the Sabbath for the Land: Ex. 23:10-11 go unmentioned as well. Interestingly, the interpretation there is again in conflict with both the literal reading of the Torah AND the Septuagint!!! Hence, the rabbis of the Second Temple Period knew that the ruling was in conflict with Torah but were not at liberty to say why. I think I know the reason.

Although there are exculpatory reasons for it, the ruling to which you refer (on page 1b if I recall correctly) is clearly in conflict with Torah. As I said, there had to be an exculpatory reason. Care to know why they did it?

A limited release of my book on Shemitta is available here. It is undergoing a major revision that will be placed online for free. Here is a review.

7 posted on 09/08/2010 7:31:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Buggman

THANKS THANKS.

Much appreciated.

For some reason the MS substitute for pdf has not been fun for me. LOL.


8 posted on 09/08/2010 8:39:13 AM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Carry_Okie

Evidently a number of folks have been healed and delivered at the blasts of the Shofar . . . so . . . I don’t get too bothered by the sound or the inept who’ve never quite gotten the hang of a trumpet mouthpiece.


9 posted on 09/08/2010 8:40:53 AM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
Evidently a number of folks have been healed and delivered at the blasts of the Shofar . . . so . . . I don’t get too bothered by the sound or the inept who’ve never quite gotten the hang of a trumpet mouthpiece.

A Shofar is no trumpet. The reason it is so difficult to blow is that usually the mouthpiece is very small. I'd really like one made from a big-horn.

10 posted on 09/08/2010 8:50:36 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Buggman
YHvH's blessings on you and yours for sharing the chapter of the your book.

An additional blessing on all who read it on this Holy eve.

L'shannah Tova.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

11 posted on 09/08/2010 8:51:03 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I don't see any reason to bash tradition. Yeshua Himself kept most of the Pharisaic (read: Orthodox) traditions--otherwise, they would not have kept inviting Him over for dinner--and actually commended them even as He condemned the rampant hypocrisy of the time (Mat. 23:2-3). He was simply against judging others of different traditions--e.g., the Judean Pharisees judging His largely Galilean disciples--and against traditions that openly annulled the Torah. On the other hand, some traditions--ritual immersion in water, wine at Passover, etc.--He elevated to the level of Scripture for us.

Ergo, we shouldn't judge someone for traditions that don't annul the Torah.

It's quite probabole that Rosh Hashannah was the original "New Year"--most Ancient Near Eastern cultures had their new year at about that time. Thus, when the Holy One established Nisan, the month of Passover, as the beginning of the religious calendar ("This shall be the beginning of months for you"), He was changing it from what had been established up to that point.

You cannot have the end of the agricultural year right after beginning it.

Exactly! Neither can you have it in the middle of the year! The argument from the Sh'mitta year actually supports the idea of a Tishri New Year, since it says "at the end," not, "in the middle." Based on that, the rabbis understood "at the end of the year" to refer to Yom Teruah, but that the Sh'mitta would be formally announced at Sukkot, since the latter was a pilgrimage Feast and all Israel would be gathered together, while at Rosh Hashannah most people would still be in their own villages. Furthermore, since a person was supposed to receive gifts from their master when they were released, this would mean that not only could they come to Sukkot as free men, they could come with their own sacrifices and provisions for the Feast.

In other words, they interpreted the passage very precisely and in such a way as to show maximum mercy to the poor. Yeshua would approve, I think.

The rabbinic belief that the world began on Rosh Hashannah does come from Scripture, albeit at the midrash or even sod level of interpretation: In Hebrew, "In the beginning" anagrams to "First in Tishri." Even many Christian scholars, such as Bishop Unger, have accepted (at least tentatively) the rabbis' view on this matter, so there's no real point in arguing it.

Shalom

12 posted on 09/08/2010 8:52:17 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman
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13 posted on 09/08/2010 9:03:40 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie

True.

However, one can usually insert a normal trumpet mouthpiece in the small end of the shofar.


14 posted on 09/08/2010 9:28:20 AM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Buggman
I can't believe the timing of the prophetic coincediences that have pitted islam against the true Abrahamic faiths. This year ramadan and FOT's share similar dates. As two day celebrations they over lap one another on September 11th.

Now, what earthshaking event happened exactly 9 years ago? It outlines 14 years, the last seven years contain the culmination of all things including the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Now, read Geneisis 45 and the same story was documented by Moses. Joseph (another name for Jesus) redeems his family (Israel), so eventually Jesus' our Messiah can ultimately redeem all mankind. There are soo many prefigures of the 'last days' it's impossible to dismiss Genesis 45 an accident. It should be considered history written in advance.

In the ninth year, after becoming Egyptian Overseer, Josepth insists that his entire family Israel, move to live long term in an Goshen, Egypt Oasis( an earthy paradise that prefigures our heavenly home), because 'there are yet five years (of Tribulation) remaining before the famine in Israel is lifted. Joseph repeatedly makes this point 'there are yet five years of famine remaining'

IMHO, we are at the end of year two of the seven years of the tribulation, 'yet five years of famine remain' This 9/11/2010 marks the end of the ninth year of Joseph's vision & dream, it's also prefigures our redemption when we are removed into Heaven. The original 14 years were spoken of in Genesis 45. Do you follow me?

Inside these last five years, the Great Tribulation remains. The rescue of Israel prefigures the removal of the church to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. That's what I think could happen this month. Rapture, or whatever it's called should happen this month.

15 posted on 09/08/2010 9:32:08 AM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: Buggman

Thanks for the ping, buggman.


16 posted on 09/08/2010 9:36:23 AM PDT by Joya
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To: STD
Interesting, though I don't think we're in the 70th Week just yet. When exactly do you think it started, and what was the covenant?

My own prophetic take on the story of Joseph and his brothers can be found here and here. Let me know what you think.

Shalom.

17 posted on 09/08/2010 10:49:49 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman
I don't see any reason to bash tradition.

Show "bash" without a subjective definition. You see, by calling it that, it is you who are doing the bashing.

Ergo, we shouldn't judge someone for traditions that don't annul the Torah.

Good. I didn't. I was simply concise.

It's quite probabole that Rosh Hashannah was the original "New Year"--most Ancient Near Eastern cultures had their new year at about that time.

Most Near Eastern cultures sacrificed their children and drank blood, so I would regard that rationale as unlikely, simply because of all the prohibitions in the Tanakh, 'do not do as the pagans.'

Exactly! Neither can you have it in the middle of the year!

An agricultural season can have it's own "year" with no conflict. It is probable by Deuteronomy 31:10-11 that Shemitta was to begin after Sukkot. I understand the problem with the rains in Israel, particularly in years where Sukkot is late in the solar year.

The argument from the Sh'mitta year actually supports the idea of a Tishri New Year, since it says "at the end," not, "in the middle." Based on that, the rabbis understood "at the end of the year" to refer to Yom Teruah, but that the Sh'mitta would be formally announced at Sukkot, since the latter was a pilgrimage Feast and all Israel would be gathered together, while at Rosh Hashannah most people would still be in their own villages. Furthermore, since a person was supposed to receive gifts from their master when they were released, this would mean that not only could they come to Sukkot as free men, they could come with their own sacrifices and provisions for the Feast.

Pure speculation, which is fine, as long as it is not in conflict with Scripture, which it plainly does (plain meaning comes first in PARDES).

In other words, they interpreted the passage very precisely and in such a way as to show maximum mercy to the poor. Yeshua would approve, I think.

Actually, from what I can discern this particular ruling favored the wealthy. Remember, my principal expertise is in the field of understanding regulatory impact on resource industry economics.

The rabbinic belief that the world began on Rosh Hashannah does come from Scripture, albeit at the midrash or even sod level of interpretation: In Hebrew,

I disagree. What you offer is a construction of Scripture. I prefer to study Scripture root-by-root in a lexicon. You would be amazed at what you might learn. For just a taste I'll tell you that the common understanding of Gen. 4 is completely whacked.

Even many Christian scholars, such as Bishop Unger, have accepted (at least tentatively) the rabbis' view on this matter, so there's no real point in arguing it.

I agree. So stop.

18 posted on 09/08/2010 10:59:00 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Quix
However, one can usually insert a normal trumpet mouthpiece in the small end of the shofar.

Cool idea, thanks!

19 posted on 09/08/2010 10:59:47 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Sure.

A music store usually carries them. I used to prefer Bach brand.


20 posted on 09/08/2010 11:01:06 AM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Carry_Okie
That is a tradition. It is not in the Tanakh.

There are now vowels (or punctuation) in the TaNa"KH. It is nothing but a string of consonants. The vowels and punctuation (without which the text would be indecipherable) are part of the Oral Tradition.

The Torah instructs Israel to slaughter animals "as I have commanded" but doesn't contain the laws referred to.

The Torah commands that certain sacrifices be "heaved" and others be "waved" but doesn't explain what how these rituals are to be carried out.

The laws for the calculation of the new moon and the intercalation of leap years are only hinted at in the barest way. None of them are included in the TaNa"KH. Even the Qara'im (who claim to go by the Bible alone) have to depend on an ancient unwritten tradition to do these things.

The laws for correctly writing down a kosher copy of the Torah so that it will be correct and fitting for use in the public readings are not given in the Torah.

All these things, without which the Jewish religion could not have survived after one year, are found only in the Oral Tradition. Those Protestant chr*stians who depend on the Jewish Oral Tradition for their Bibles and their calendars but who dismiss the Oral Tradition are being illogical and hypocritical to boot.

Protestantism's argument with Catholic and Orthodox chr*stianity has nothing to do with Judaism. The "sola scriptura" argument is out of place here.

21 posted on 09/08/2010 11:22:53 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zokhrenu lechayyim Melekh chafetz bachayyim; vekhotvenu beSefer HaChayyim lema`ankha 'Eloqim Chayyim)
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To: Buggman
Do you really want to know?

I'm sorry, but I'm tired of the people 'caught up' and lost in their 'tiny' little vanities. They don't have a Biblical understanding of the Word. Despite, the words of Jesus when knowledge shall increase' (doubling at an astounding rate of once every 240 days) They cling to old understandings, they won't look at anything new that rocks their boats. What we know about Jesus today is far more than anyone outside of maybe his Apostle's.

You asked two good questions in one. Regarding the strengthening of the covenent with death, when did it happen? Who's powerful enough to make this covenant stick?

First, only one man alive and living on this planet today is capable. He's the Anti-Christ and the POTUS. He gave a speech, which 'just happened' to occur exactly at the prophetic begining of the Tribulation. Of course, nobody understood it at the time. You may watch it for yourself on Youtube.

Let me locate the thread, I'll post it to you soon.

Agape Love,YBIC,

Michael

22 posted on 09/08/2010 1:18:36 PM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: STD
The stars and other 'heavenly' bodies arranged themselves at one exact date and time, which completes the prophetic symbolism of the beginning of the Tribulation.

The time that the celestial event occured (the woman clothed with the sun and the moon beneath her feet) was at 8:00 PM eastern standard time, The sun follows the ecliptic against the backdrop of stars from earth perspective (geocentric), traveling a little less than one degree per day making a full rotation of 360 degrees in 365.25636 days.

I found that the Revelation 12 woman with the wings of an eagle (constellation Virgo) was 'fully clothed' with the sun at her ankle (the star representing it), which occurs October 29-30 each year.

However, the Biblical narrative adds another qualifier. A second sign, which is the 'moon beneath her feet' (also represented by a particular star for the lowest foot). The only moment in this generation both those occurred (clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet) was satisfied on October/29/2008 at 8:00 PM EST. (the moon is new, below Virgo's lower foot) This a real celestial event seemingly described (at least my take on it) in Revelation 12. In Christ, Michael Newmoon & Mars.pdf

23 posted on 09/08/2010 1:39:55 PM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: Buggman
On Oct. 29, 2008, Barack Hussein Obama revealed himself as the Antichrist, (at least to MANY discerning Christians), by confirming his covenant with millions and millions of people to CHANGE THE WORLD.

The Famine Week started on this day, the day that Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled. The Famine Week will conclude EXACTLY 7 JEWISH YEARS LATER, on Feast of Atonement, Sept. 23, 2015, that day that everything is pointing towards. I believe with all my heart that NOW WE CAN KNOW THE APPOXIMATE TIME OF THE RAPTURE, BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS BEEN CONCEALED IN GENESIS 45!!!

Let’s now take a very close look at Genesis 45. It is my very strong conviction that this chapter is the FORETELLING OF THE APPROXIMATE TIME OF THE RAPTURE. If you will follow closely, and be open to the leading of the Holy Spirit, I believe many of you will agree. Remember now, Jesus said that ALL things have been FORETOLD to us, meaning in the Old Testament. Jesus also says, that we COULD KNOW THE TIME! KNOW! K-N-O-W!

Now that the identity of the Antichrist, Barack Hussein Obama, has been revealed, and the EXACT time frame of the 70th Week of Daniel has been made so VERY obvious to us, WE CAN KNOW THE TIME OF THE RAPTURE. It is the ONLY way we could KNOW. Everything has always been speculation. No one has ever known the time, yet JESUS SAID WE COULD KNOW. For the first time in history, with the unveiling of these two EXTREMELY IMPORTANT PROPHETIC EVENTS, WE CAN KNOW!!!

24 posted on 09/08/2010 1:48:19 PM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: Buggman
'Obama’s Covenant with Many', it hit me like a bolt of lightning. 'IT HAS HAPPENED'

The first opportunity I had I got out my Strong’s Concordance and did a word study on Daniel 9:27, which says, 'And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week' What we, as Bible students have always been taught, is the Antichrist will sign, or strengthen, a 7-year peace treaty with Israel and several other countries.

This is another of our pre-conceived ideas, that I now believe has proven to be false. It is a theory that has been derived from an overall study of Bible prophecy. There is certainly no Scripture that says the Antichrist will sign, or confirm, a 7-year peace treaty with Israel and several other nations.

When Jesus came the first time, very, very few recognized Jesus as the Messiah. It was because of their pre-conceived ideas, from misinterpreting Scriptures, that they got it wrong. Do not let your pre-conceived ideas about the Antichrist and a 7-year peace treaty with Israel, and a Rapture before the Final 7 Years begins, keep you from seeing what has just taken place. ANTICHRIST HAS CONFIRMED THE COVENANT AND THE FINAL 7 YEARS, OR THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL HAS BEGUN We can know it has begun because of what has taken place on Oct. 29, 2008!

Here is what my word study in the Hebrew has revealed to me. Of all the words in that verse, the word 'covenant' was the hardest to gain insight on. There was nothing about a peace agreement, nothing about a treaty. In fact, in the Hebrew, there was nothing even anything remotely suggesting that 'the covenant' was any type of peace agreement, or a treaty of any kind. Study it for yourself. Covenant means to come together, to be of one mind, and promises.

The Hebrew for 'week' does mean seven years. There is nothing in the Hebrew to suggest the word 'many' would involve a peace treaty with a handful of Middle East countries, as we have been let to believe. Instead, the Hebrew word 'many', indicates an abundant number, ten thousands, or millions, a HUGE number, or a multitude. The Hebrew meaning of 'confirm’ would indicate to strengthen, to put more strength to, to prevail, to exceed, to be great, to be mighty.

I do believe the “he” in Daniel 9:27, does represent the Antichrist, who comes in Daniel 7:25 'to CHANGE TIMES AND LAWS'. Based on the word study on Daniel 9:27, which says, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week”, here is what I believed happened on October 29, 2008:

Barack Hussein Obama put himself on nationwide TV, on 7 major TV networks, and in front of over 33 million people, confirmed, or strengthened, or re-affirmed, or summarized his platform, his promises, to be of one mind and to all come together, or his COVENANT with the people. He strengthened his covenant (his promises). The intention of his covenant, or his promises, was not only TO STRENGTHEN, but also to PREVAIL on Election Day, to EXCEED during his presidency, TO BE GREAT, and TO BE MIGHTY. The title of his message was, “A Closing Argument to the Everyman”.

I would say that Everyman would sure include a whole lot of people. Besides the 33 million that watched his speech on Oct. 29 on TV, millions more saw it later on news broadcasts and on the Internet. Certainly, the 'many' involved an abundant number, a huge number, a multitude, yes, millions upon millions of people, not just a handful of countries that we have come to expect the 'many' to represent.

During this speech, Obama said he was going to change the country and CHANGE THE WORLD!!! His main platform has been to 'PREPARE FOR CHANGE'. Daniel 7:25 says the Antichrist is coming to CHANGE times and laws. The 'confirming of the covenant with many for ONE WEEK', simply was put in Scripture so we could identify the 70TH WEEK of Daniel.

In other words, God is allowing us to identify the Antichrist and the first day of the 70th WEEK of Daniel at the same time. I BELIEVE GOD IS SAYING THAT WHEN YOU SEE A PRIME CANDIDATE FOR THE ANTICHRIST CONFIRMING A COVENANT (OR PROMISES) IN FRONT OF MANY (MILLIONS AND MILLIONS) ON THE VERY SAME DAY THAT CALCULATES OUT TO BE THE VERY FIRST DAY OF THE FINAL 7 YEARS, KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ENTERED THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL.

WHEN WE SEE AN OUTSTANDING CANDIDATE TO BE THE ANTICHRIST STRENGTEN OR CONFIRM HIS COVENANT OR PROMISES IN FRONT OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ON THE EXACT DAY THAT EVERYTHING POINTED TO BE THE FIRST DAY OF THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO THINK? That it was all just coincidence? A word study of Daniel 9:27 in the Hebrew tells us that WHAT TOOK PLACE WITH OBAMA ON 0CT. 29, 2008, WAS, INDEED THE FULFILLMENT OF DANIEL 9:27.

Agape Love,

Michael

25 posted on 09/08/2010 2:09:44 PM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: Buggman
So, Rev 12 gives us one date October 29th 2008, for the woman in Virgo.

Obama speaks on that same day and promises the multitude 'hope and change' a new and improved post-modern society that's an evil 'covenant with death'

Hussein's on record as the most bloodthirsty President in our history. His support of infanticide, once shocked members of his own cyanical political party.

By executive order and Obamacare abortion on demand has been exported overseas, into Catholic hospitals etc, he has begun to decimate those least able to defend themselves.

26 posted on 09/08/2010 2:29:59 PM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: Buggman

The stars and other ‘heavenly’ bodies arranged themselves at one exact date and time, which completes the prophetic symbolism of the beginning of the Tribulation.
The time that the celestial event occured (the woman clothed with the sun and the moon beneath her feet) was at 8:00 PM eastern standard time, The sun follows the ecliptic against the backdrop of stars from earth perspective (geocentric), traveling a little less than one degree per day making a full rotation of 360 degrees in 365.25636 days.

I found that the Revelation 12 woman with the wings of an eagle (constellation Virgo) was ‘fully clothed’ with the sun at her ankle (the star representing it), which occurs October 29-30 each year.

However, the Biblical narrative adds another qualifier. A second sign, which is the ‘moon beneath her feet’ (also represented by a particular star for the lowest foot). The only moment in this generation both those occurred (clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet) was satisfied on October/29/2008 at 8:00 PM EST. (the moon is new, below Virgo’s lower foot) This a real celestial event seemingly described (at least my take on it) in Revelation 12. In Christ, Michael Newmoon & Mars.pdf


27 posted on 09/08/2010 2:42:04 PM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: STD
I appreciate it. I see some concerns with your reasoning, but I'll do some digging before replying.

One question, though: Why do you think the AC will be an American--or Kenyan, as the case may be?

Shalom

28 posted on 09/08/2010 2:55:14 PM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Buggman; Zionist Conspirator
I read the portion of the "book" and didnt get too far without being stuck by the errors and dissembling. Take this gem for example:

A real, kosher Torah scroll is the Word of God written on lambskin, impales on two shafts of wood (the rollers) which are called the Aytz Chaim (the Tree of Life), wearing a breastplate like the High Priest, robed in glory (the scroll cover, which protects it), and wearing one or more kingly crowns. Who is Yeshua? He is the Word of God in the skin of a Lamb, nailed to two pieces of wood which are to us a Tree of Life, now serving as our High Priest, robed in glory, and wearing many crowns on His head as the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords. Yeshua is the Living Torah.

First of all, Torah scrolls can be written on any kosher animal but usually cow, goat or deer are used. You use the word "lamb" to give the false appearance of Jesus. Then you use the word "impales on two shafts of wood", again, sounds like Jesus huh? The scroll is sewn in three places to the woods. Then you call the rollers, atzei chaim, "the tree of life", once more sounding like Jesus. Atzei chaim means trees of life plural.

Then you proceed the the usual. Jesus is a lamb; no he was a human. Metaphors dont count. He is a high priest; no he is not of the correct tribe. And Melchizedek did have a genealogy, so that won't work either. Yeshua is a living Torah; no man is a living Torah. The messianic metaphors know no bounds. I think you should at least be honest in your book.

Shalom

29 posted on 09/08/2010 3:52:39 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: blasater1960
Blasater . . . I know it's annoying and infuriating. But listen to me . . . nothing you say matters to these people. They "know" Yushqa is the messiah because their Protestant bible has a "new testament" in it, and that's all there is to it. If it's in the Protestant bible, it's the "word of G-d."

You and I can point out a zillion inanities, but so long as their bibles have a "new testament" which they accept implicitly "the bible" will always authorize chr*stianity to these people.

You won't agree with me, but I regard the struggling with the Torah that these people do to be a positive step. Unfortunately, only a miracle will take them all the way.

In Protestantism the bible is self-authorizing. If it's between those two covers and has the Thomas Nelson or Zondervan trademark, then it's "the word of G-d."

PS: Don't get me wrong, your 100% on target with the way language is twisted. They learned such things from their Catholic and Orthodox ancestors. ::Sigh::

Please have a happy and sweet new year.

30 posted on 09/08/2010 4:00:46 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zokhrenu lechayyim Melekh chafetz bachayyim; vekhotvenu beSefer HaChayyim lema`ankha 'Eloqim Chayyim)
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To: Carry_Okie

As you doubtless know, “now vowels” at the beginning of my post #21 should read “no vowels.” I apologize for the typing error.


31 posted on 09/08/2010 4:04:51 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Zokhrenu lechayyim Melekh chafetz bachayyim; vekhotvenu beSefer HaChayyim lema`ankha 'Eloqim Chayyim)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

The intelligent among them know the NT is gibberish, but don’t feel they have any alternative.

And there is a yetzer for disobedience to God, and God commands to go to the rabbis, therefore...


32 posted on 09/08/2010 4:45:13 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I know it's annoying and infuriating. You won't agree with me, but I regard the struggling with the Torah that these people do to be a positive step.

Acutally I agree with you on all counts. It is a positive thing. Some of these Messianic folk arent even considered xtian by their orthodox counterparts. So, in the age of the internet where you can find the truth, some will. It is just the out and out dissembling, dupicitous stuff that drives me nuts. I mean come on...yoshki is now a Torah scroll??? Sheesh.

May you and your family have a sweet and prosperous new year...!ייתכן הקדשה וחתם לשנה טובה

33 posted on 09/08/2010 4:52:37 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: jjotto
And there is a yetzer for disobedience to God, and God commands to go to the rabbis, therefore...

Good point...even the man from Nazareth told them to do that.

34 posted on 09/08/2010 4:54:44 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Buggman
Hey Buggman,

Look at the text of Hussein's speech. Notice his use of the term 'we are one week away' Scripture tells us the AC shall reinforce the covenant with many for 'one week' Behold, this is speech where the AC announces himself to the World. Speaking to the multitudes and confirming to many his renewed commitment to revolution.

After decades of broken politics in Washington, eight years of failed policies from George Bush, and twenty-one months of a campaign that has taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, 'we are one week away' from change in America.

In 'one week', you can turn the page on policies that have put the greed and irresponsibility of Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street.

In 'one week', you can choose policies that invest in our middle-class, create new jobs, and grow this economy from the bottom-up so that everyone has a chance to succeed; from the CEO to the secretary and the janitor; from the factory owner to the men and women who work on its floor.

In 'one week', you can put an end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election; that tries to pit region against region, city against town, Republican against Democrat; that asks us to fear at a time when we need hope.

In 'one week', at this defining moment in history, you can give this country the change we need.

We began this journey in the depths of winter nearly two years ago, on the steps of the Old State Capitol in Springfield, Illinois. Back then, we didn’t have much money or many endorsements. We weren’t given much of a chance by the polls or the pundits, and we knew how steep our climb would be.

But I also knew this. I knew that the size of our challenges had outgrown the smallness of our politics. I believed that Democrats and Republicans and Americans of every political stripe were hungry for new ideas, new leadership, and a new kind of politics – one that favors common sense over ideology; one that focuses on those values and ideals we hold in common as Americans.

Most of all, I believed in your ability to make change happen. I knew that the American people were a decent, generous people who are willing to work hard and sacrifice for future generations. And I was convinced that when we come together, our voices are more powerful than the most entrenched lobbyists, or the most vicious political attacks, or the full force of a status quo in Washington that wants to keep things just the way they are.

Twenty-one months later, my faith in the American people has been vindicated. That’s how we’ve come so far and so close – because of you. That’s how we’ll change this country - with your help. And that’s why we can’t afford to slow down, sit back, or let up for one day, one minute, or one second in this last week. Not now. Not when so much is at stake.

Buggman, Here is the text. Now read it again with prophetic eyes. Thinking about what the WORD tells us about the AC. Nothing in the political rhetoric of candidate Hussein matchs the abomidnable deeds of President Hussein. He has imposed a completely different form of government upon us; a dictatorship. He's proven himself to be a profligrate liar, if fact 'the Father of all Lies' Even jaded long term politicians are running for cover. The jokes on us all.

Notice Hussein's calling attention to just how quickly he needs to move to impose his vision of America upon us and ultimately the rest of the World. Look at the haste in his own words;

'we can’t afford to slow down, sit back, or let up for one day, one minute

We know that satan in Revelation needs to move quickly, because he knows that his time is short.

POTUS seized upon a politically 'unnatural' need to move quickly, employing an unheard of 100 day master plan to effectively destroy our republic. Forget what's in the legislation, just hurry up and sign it. Politicians always move by polls, never without trial balloons. Unless they know better?

How's Hussein succeeded so completely at every level, Buggman? While the drive by media wrings it's hands at the political state of the Demo-crat Party, Hussein's privately exaltant. Congress is now a moot point, Hussein doesn't play by Washington rules! He's also really living it up everyday, golfing, vacationing barbequeing at the WH. He has accomplished extriordinary feats of evil. While his party self implodes, Hussein only grows more powerful. Nobodies figured it out yet Buggman, soon only King Hussein will rule.

The Demoncrats, the media and the people matter no longer. Satan sits upon the throne here in Babylon. ID-ing Babylon was always a tricky issue for watchers. I think it's now perfectly clear.

35 posted on 09/08/2010 5:09:33 PM PDT by STD (Witnessing Another Greek Tragedy as Our Chief Executive Implodes.)
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To: STD
"...NOW WE CAN KNOW THE APPOXIMATE TIME OF THE RAPTURE,..."

So when do you think it is?

36 posted on 09/08/2010 7:04:10 PM PDT by jackv (The darkness hates the light!)
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To: jjotto
"And there is a yetzer for disobedience to God, and God commands to go to the rabbis, therefore..."

Help me with this one...thanks...magritte
37 posted on 09/08/2010 7:13:45 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: UriĀ’el-2012; Buggman; Quix; papabrody; Zionist Conspirator; blasater1960
O God, our Lord, instill Your awe upon all Your works, and Your dread upon all You have created. Let all works revere You and all creatures prostrate themselves before You. Let them all become a single society, to do Your will wholeheartedly. For as we know, God, our Lord, that the dominion is Yours, might is in Your hand and strength is in Your right hand, and Your Name inspires awe over all that You have created. ............................. Blessings and Shalom to you in this season of Rosh Hashana..
38 posted on 09/08/2010 7:21:53 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: Buggman

BLESS YOU BRO.


39 posted on 09/08/2010 7:40:57 PM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: TaraP

And to you Tarah! L’shanah Tovah!


40 posted on 09/08/2010 7:45:30 PM PDT by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah is attainable past, present and forever.)
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To: Buggman; All
Awesome post, great thread.

Baruch HaShem Adonai Eloheynu!


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

41 posted on 09/08/2010 8:00:23 PM PDT by The Comedian
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To: Carry_Okie

What year is the next Year of Jubilee, a fiftieth?


42 posted on 09/08/2010 8:08:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Mormons, believing they cannot be deceived; nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Buggman

bttt thanks


43 posted on 09/08/2010 8:12:31 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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44 posted on 09/08/2010 8:57:26 PM PDT by Salem (FREE REPUBLIC - Fighting to win within the Arena of the War of Ideas! So get in the fight!)
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To: jjotto

The NT is hardly “gibberish”, but yet I always enjoy these spirited discussions of j*daism nonetheless. (asterisk and lowercase added in deference to ZC) I do greatly enjoy the Rabbinical commentary on scripture, it is invaluable.


45 posted on 09/08/2010 10:30:32 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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46 posted on 09/09/2010 12:29:23 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never "free")
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47 posted on 09/09/2010 1:30:37 AM PDT by Lera
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48 posted on 09/09/2010 1:46:27 AM PDT by novemberslady
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To: Buggman

And it’s the Old Testament type and foreshadowing of the Last Trump, when the dead in Christ and the living for Messiah shall rise and meet him in the air. (I Cor. 15:52)


49 posted on 09/09/2010 4:03:44 AM PDT by RoadTest (Religion is a substitute for the relationship God wants with you.)
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PRAYERS FOR YOU BRO. AND YOUR PROJECT.


50 posted on 09/09/2010 4:05:22 AM PDT by Quix (C Bosses plans: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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