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Pope Warns Children Over Celebrity Culture
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 9/17/10 | Martin Beckford

Posted on 09/17/2010 6:53:06 AM PDT by marshmallow

Fame and fortune do not bring happiness, the Pope told thousands of schoolchildren in a warning about Britain’s celebrity culture.

The Pope said he hoped there were “future saints of the 21st century” among the audience at an event celebrating Roman Catholic education in Twickenham.

He encouraged them to develop skills and admitted that money is useful, but told the pupils that pursuing worldly success alone would not give meaning to their lives.

The pontiff, speaking on the second day of his historic state visit to Britain, also said to the schoolchildren that they should not “narrow” their education to exclude ethics, while acknowledging that religion too must not ignore science.

Benedict arrived at St Mary’s University College, Twickenham, after 10am, having spent his first night in England at the Wimbledon residence of his ambassador, the Nuncio.

Dozens of well-wishers lined the narrow suburban street along with protestors, mainly individuals rather than official groups, bearing placards criticising the Vatican’s stance on homosexuality and its attitude to the clergy abuse scandal.

In the courtyard his motorcade was met by dozens of children in school uniform, all of whom had been searched by police officers, who waved flags and cheered. The Pope raised his arms to greet them, kissing one boy who was held aloft, and was introduced to dignitaries including Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, and Vince Cable, the Business Secretary and local MP.

After speaking to guests in the Catholic college’s chapel Benedict travelled by Popemobile around a running track where 4,000 children from church schools around the country along with religious groups and politicians were waiting for him, in what was billed as the world’s biggest school assembly.

At an event compered by the Blue Peter presenter, Andy Akinwolere, two choirs on a stage sang hymns including a verse of...........

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
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1 posted on 09/17/2010 6:53:07 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
Pope Warns Children Over Celebrity Culture


Pope visit merchandise includes 'metal' T-shirt and baseball cap [it's official merchandise!]

2 posted on 09/17/2010 7:02:30 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: marshmallow

What’s more long-term famous in the Western world than being the Pope? Tell me one other line of succession that’s recorded back by name almost 2,000 years.


3 posted on 09/17/2010 7:03:10 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: marshmallow

Although he admitted he was a big Lady Gaga fan...

/s


4 posted on 09/17/2010 7:22:46 AM PDT by iowamark
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To: marshmallow

Who’s going to warn the children about the pope....


5 posted on 09/17/2010 7:29:51 AM PDT by Howudoing
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To: marshmallow
He spoke about the people they look up to, saying: "We live in a celebrity culture and young people are often encouraged to model themselves on figures from the world of sport or entertainment.
"Having money makes it possible to be generous and to do good in the world, but on its own it is not enough to make us happy.
"Being highly skilled in some activity or profession is good but it will not satisfy us unless we aim for something greater still. It might make us famous but it will not make us happy.
“Happiness is something we all want, but one of the great tragedies in this world is that so many people never find it, because they look for it in the wrong places. The key to it is very simple – true happiness is to be found in God.”

How dare that hideous, horrible man tell children ... CHILDREN!!! ... to seek God?

6 posted on 09/17/2010 7:40:01 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow

“He encouraged them to develop skills and admitted that money is useful, but told the pupils that pursuing worldly success alone would not give meaning to their lives.”

Yes, money is useful. One never knows when the next scandal will float to the surface and having a few billion of other peoples money to spend will help it sink out of sight for a while.


7 posted on 09/17/2010 8:17:02 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
"How dare that hideous, horrible man tell children ... CHILDREN!!! ... to seek God?"

I think the objections were in not practicing what he preaches. Selling celebrity pope plates and tee shirts while condeming celebrity worship is just a tad hyprocrital.

8 posted on 09/17/2010 11:25:11 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity
I think the objections were in not practicing what he preaches.

I think the objections were in him being Pope ... and therefore by definition evil, and wrong in every instance on every topic.

9 posted on 09/17/2010 11:27:23 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

mine weren’t.


10 posted on 09/17/2010 11:28:23 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: ArrogantBustard

Boy, how about a sarcasm tag? You startled the tar out of me.


11 posted on 09/17/2010 12:22:43 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: circlecity

“Selling celebrity pope plates and tee shirts while condeming celebrity worship is just a tad hyprocrital.”

Not at all. Not even a little. Not the slightest scintilla or iota.

After reading note 1, I started to write a reply to the effect that people don’t seem to understand what hypocrisy is any more. Your next note made me think that even people who do seem to know what it is will often reach to any extreme in an attempt to infer it where it doesn’t exist. After all, any old stick is good enough to beat the Pope with.

To make your argument you had first to call these souvenirs “celebrity” items, which is as arbitrary as it is unreasonable.

The word “celebrity,” as we are using it here, does not mean “any person who is well known.” It means “people who are well known for trivial or meaningless pursuits, or for nothing more than being well known. “Famous for being famous,” like Paris Hilton.

Mother Theresa is quite well known, but she was never a celebrity. Or, for the more whacked-out among us, consider Ghandi. It would be an insult to denigrate him as a mere celebrity. I’m sure the leftards would be outraged if one said of Kamarade FDRsky that he was only a celebrity.

Far less even than these people is the Holy Father “famous for being famous.” His duties are hardly trivial or meaningless, nor were the duties whose successful execution brought him to the Throne of Saint Peter.

It is hypocritical in no regard for a man well known for his involvement in weighty, solemn matters to criticize air-headed twerps for lionizing celebrities known only for their success at sports, trivial entertainment, and sexual depravity.

It is a tradition of long standing for the faithful to want and treasure souvenirs of a Papal visit. The availability of such souvenirs trivializes neither the Holy Father’s mission nor the veneration of the faithful.


12 posted on 09/17/2010 12:57:41 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc
The word “celebrity,” as we are using it here, does not mean “any person who is well known.” It means “people who are well known for trivial or meaningless pursuits, or for nothing more than being well known."

No it doesn't. Celebrity means a person who is widely known. You adding your own special defintion to avoid the obvious hypocrisy doesn't change reality. Although I can see why you would want to try.

13 posted on 09/17/2010 1:02:17 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

Black is white, up is down, good is evil, war is peace, lies are truth...

Any other assertions to make?


14 posted on 09/17/2010 1:20:52 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: dsc; circlecity
It is a tradition of long standing for the faithful to want and treasure souvenirs of a Papal visit. The availability of such souvenirs trivializes neither the Holy Father’s mission nor the veneration of the faithful.

To encourage them to change their image of the pope, Ms. Whitis pulled out souvenirs from her 1993 trip to Denver, to see the pope at World Youth Day. She dressed Adam House in the T-shirt and shorts she wore. She put her admission tag around his neck, complete with the cross a man from Spain gave her and buttons she swapped with people from other countries.

Then she pulled out the foam miter, commonly called “the pope hat,” and placed it on Adam's head. “You weren't cool unless you got a pope hat,” Ms. Whitis said.

-- from the 1999 Cincinnati Enquirer article Teacher pulls kids into pope


15 posted on 09/17/2010 1:39:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: circlecity
I think the objections were in not practicing what he preaches. Selling celebrity pope plates and tee shirts while condeming celebrity worship is just a tad hyprocrital.

The Pope is not selling anything. He couldn't care less if you buy T-shirts or tumblers with his image on them. If you've given even the most cursory glance to this Pope and his ministry you'd know that such issues are light years removed from his concerns. These items are sold either by make-a-quick-buck entrepreneurs or by the organizers of his visits as a means of defraying expenses. You really think he's coming to England so he can promote his own cult and hawk a few souvenirs? You think he's going to huddle with Marini and Archbishop Nicholls this evening in Westminster and say ........."well boys, how many coffee mugs did we move today..........??"

Is it really necessary to explain the nature of the "celebrity culture" which he is attacking? Has balance and common sense entirely forsaken this forum? He's warning against the dangers of seeking after worldly success and fame at the expense of faith and eternal salvation.

Britain is a country which is dominated by mass selling daily tabloid newspapers (The Sun, The Daily Mirror etc) which feed an apparently insatiable public appetite for news about the rich and beautiful, including sports stars, entertainers and members of the aristocracy. The increase in this obsession appears to have paralleled a corresponding decrease in the public practice of religion.

16 posted on 09/17/2010 1:42:45 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Alex Murphy

To hold up the excesses of whackos as representative of...well, anything at all...is as wrong-headed as pointing to killers of abortion doctors as proof that all pro-life people are murderers.


17 posted on 09/17/2010 2:24:54 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Oh, three more things:

1. I just went on line to look for “pope hat.” The very few references I found were pejorative, which makes it odd that a Catholic would be using it.

2. Couldn’t find anything on that picture of Asians in YMCA t-shirts and foam miters.

3. Everything you think you know about Catholicism is wrong.


18 posted on 09/17/2010 2:39:00 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: marshmallow

Wrong. The vatican has its own official pope vendors. What do you think happens to those who sell ‘unofficial’ pope plates? Are they fined? Or jailed? Or just prayed for? And what’s wrong with selling those items, if mean, if I have a room full of foam, and I know how to make pope hats, then what’s wrong with trying to help my family out by selling merchandise celebrating his visit? Because they are not legally recognized by the vatican, and therefore cannot be sold. Who needs help more, the poor family who can sew, or the ermine laden pope who preaches sacrifice and rejection of worldly success to everyone while having his people check the daily concession receipts? HYPOCRISY is the right word..


19 posted on 09/17/2010 2:41:47 PM PDT by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: marshmallow
"These items are sold either by make-a-quick-buck entrepreneurs or by the organizers of his visits as a means of defraying expenses."

The vatican maintains the copyright and licensing rights to the pope's image and strictly enforces the same. Nothing like "make-a-quick-buck off" of a celebrity image, is there? He is definiately selling something and exploiting his celebrity to accomplish it. Physican heal thyself.

20 posted on 09/17/2010 3:12:35 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: smvoice; circlecity
The only hypocrisy is yours.

The naysayers deeply resent the Pope's profile as the most world's most visible and articulate spokesperson for the Christian religion. Not to mention the most respected. In certain quarters, some of them supposedly "Christian", he's also the most hated. On occasions such as this when he makes state visits and lectures the princes of this world, that resentment becomes impossible to contain.

This leads to accusations that he himself is a celebrity, although he isn't but his high profile is such a source of irritation that rationality goes out the window. This in turn leads to rejection or ignoring of his timely message to young people in favor of peripheral issues such as souvenirs and accusations of hypocrisy.

The hypocrisy of the naysayers is to be found precisely in the fact that they agree with the Pope's fundamental message about the dangers of the "celebrity" culture but such is their personal animosity towards him that they cannot bring themselves to support his ministry even when they agree with his message and instead attack him.

Tragic.

21 posted on 09/17/2010 3:36:03 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow

Well, now we know which celebrity you worship. Don’t forget your tee shirt!


22 posted on 09/17/2010 3:39:36 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: ArrogantBustard

Amen, friend.


23 posted on 09/17/2010 3:43:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: circlecity
Well, now we know which celebrity you worship. Don’t forget your tee shirt!

Go on, say it........"on this issue, the Pope is right"...... :-)

You know it.........I know it.

Give it a try.......you won't burst into flames.

24 posted on 09/17/2010 3:54:55 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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Whether anyone is a Catholic or not, the Pope spoke the truth to these children. People who hate the Pope or Catholicism should realize that despite its human caused flaws (and every other religion has them, btw), Catholicism continues the fight for absolute moral standards, without which the entire earth would become hell in one generation. People of faith need to (IMHO) stop fighting with people of other sects, denominations and religions (leaving aside Islam as usual) and unite to fight the Marxists, hedonists, militant atheists and other assorted tyrants and butchers who want to kill babies, the sick, the elderly, the helpless and enforce homosexualism on the whole world.

Fighting with other believers in God and moral absolutes is exactly what will best help those promoting evil.

25 posted on 09/17/2010 3:59:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

Thank you, lj.


26 posted on 09/17/2010 4:02:47 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

It’s like living in the South in the ‘30’s. Some people can’t see past their bigotry.


27 posted on 09/17/2010 4:10:09 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: dsc; circlecity
1. I just went on line to look for “pope hat.” The very few references I found were pejorative, which makes it odd that a Catholic would be using it.

The question of "foam miters" came up in the context of papal visits/souvenirs a couple of months ago. What caught my attention was this description of "official merchandise" selection in a 1995 article, which called out foam rubber miters specifically:

...Committees at both archdioceses had to approve each papal product. "People were trying to get us interested in papal coffee mugs and foam rubber miters," said the Rev. Leslie Ivers, director of the New York Archdiocese's office for the papal visit. "These are things that we don't think are in good taste."
"Why would(n't) a Catholic want to own a foam miter?" The archdiocese responds by saying "we don't think they're in good taste". And a t-shirt is? Why not a miter? What about a miter with the Pope's picture on it? And what's wrong with calling it a "Pope hat" anyway? Some Catholics use slang to refer to the Pope as "papa" - why not slang to refer to his traditional headgear?

I think it's safe to assume that the availability of foam miters at any papal appearance is purely "unofficial" at best. I think it's also safe to assume that vendors anticipate a demand for them, since in 1995 they tried to get the archdiocese's blessing (pun intended) to sell them. Would an archdiocese sue competing vendors for selling "unauthorized" souvenirs from the Pope's visit?

I get the impression that the more traditionalist Catholics among you would consider buying or wearing a foam miter to be a disrespectful act. It certainly diverts revenue away from archdiocesan efforts to pay for the Pope's visit via "official" souvenirs. Would you consider that disrespectful as well?

2. Couldn’t find anything on that picture of Asians in YMCA t-shirts and foam miters.

Having read that vendors in fact sold them at the 1993 appearance, and wanting to sell them in 1995, I went looking for pictures. I found the picture in question on the blog of Saint Mary Magdalen Catholic parish, Brighton, UK. The same entry carried another picture:

3. Everything you think you know about Catholicism is wrong.

I know that a foam miter on a parishioner is less tacky than a rainbow umbrella hat on a priest.

28 posted on 09/17/2010 4:28:51 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: little jeremiah

I wish he had lectured the parents that encourage this..


29 posted on 09/17/2010 5:15:06 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: marshmallow
"Give it a try.......you won't burst into flames."

I'm not the one who needs to be worrying about that.

30 posted on 09/17/2010 5:31:30 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: trisham; OpusatFR

People who get their jollies bashing Catholicism, the Pope and all things Catholic do not realize the great good the Catholic Church does. They have no clue. Either that or they would like a world steeped in immorality and barbarism.

If people don’t get over religious bigotry, they’re going to find their homosexualist/euthanizing/fascist/Moslem overlords a lot meaner than the mean Catholics.


31 posted on 09/17/2010 5:31:33 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: RnMomof7

Hopefully they listened as well.


32 posted on 09/17/2010 5:31:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Alex Murphy; circlecity
The overarching theme of the Pope's visit to Britain is the right of religion to be seen and heard in the public square in the face of an increasing secular hostility. This may be the last opportunity for this pitch to be made in the UK before the noose finally tightens around those who hold to traditional Christian beliefs on issues such as the sinfulness of homosexual acts, the nonexistence of such a thing as homosexual "marriage" and the sinfulness of abortion, etc. I would have thought that this was an issue of importance to all Christians, not just Catholics.

In Britain, we're almost at the point and maybe have already arrived, where punitive measures will be taken against persons and organizations who espouse these beliefs.

In all honesty, the Pope is the best person to make this pitch. Who else has the gravitas?

Given this, doesn't it seem a little ridiculous to be getting bent out of shape over the issue of souvenirs? Is your concern for the question of religious freedom less than your concern that the Pope might actually have some success in his campaign and that the Catholic Church in general and the Pope in particular might somehow be benefited or enhanced in public esteem as a result?

Britain is on the edge of the precipice. Can't you drop the animus for just this once?

33 posted on 09/17/2010 7:01:03 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
Britain is on the edge of the precipice. Can't you drop the animus for just this once?

Who, me?

34 posted on 09/17/2010 8:16:07 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy

Is the post addressed to you?


35 posted on 09/17/2010 8:18:36 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
Is the post addressed to you?

Which post of mine contained "animus"? Was I supposed to max out my credit card on souvenirs from www.papalvisitstore.com before posting on the thread?

36 posted on 09/17/2010 8:26:07 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
Which post of mine contained "animus"?

The gist of your intervention on this thread is that the Pope himself is a part of "celebrity" culture.

If that's not your point, what is?

37 posted on 09/17/2010 8:53:39 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
The gist of your intervention on this thread is that the Pope himself is a part of "celebrity" culture. If that's not your point, what is?

Ooooh, I dared to "intervene" on an open thread. Animus!

38 posted on 09/17/2010 8:58:16 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
Ooooh, I dared to "intervene" on an open thread. Animus!

And the point of your intervention was.............??

To say something positive about the Pope? If so, then lay it on us.

I missed it.

39 posted on 09/17/2010 9:04:36 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
And the point of your intervention was.............?? To say something positive about the Pope? If so, then lay it on us.

The next time I consider "staging an intervention", remind me that I'm required to genuflect before posting. And to do that properly and officially, I'll need to purchase a souvenir pair of official papal kneepads (now available at www.papalvisitstore.com) beforehand.

Unless you'd like to loan me your pair.

40 posted on 09/17/2010 9:12:14 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
The next time I consider "staging an intervention", remind me that I'm required to genuflect before posting. And to do that properly and officially, I'll need to purchase a souvenir pair of official papal kneepads (now available at www.papalvisitstore.com) beforehand. Unless you'd like to loan me your pair

Sometimes it's best to say nothing, Alex.

Readers can draw their own conclusions from that outburst.

41 posted on 09/17/2010 9:17:41 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
Readers can draw their own conclusions from that outburst.

Conclusions were drawn well before post #2. Why stop the fun now?

42 posted on 09/17/2010 9:21:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
Conclusions were drawn well before post #2.

They were?

You a .....uh..........mindreader??

43 posted on 09/17/2010 9:26:09 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
[Double] NOVENA FOR POPE BENEDICT XVI [Ecumenical]
44 posted on 09/17/2010 10:40:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Howudoing

Has the pope molested children?


45 posted on 09/17/2010 11:04:48 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marshmallow
"Given this, doesn't it seem a little ridiculous to be getting bent out of shape over the issue of souvenirs"

I'm certainly not getting "bent out of shape" over anything, so your historonics are a bit confusing. I have complimented the Pope for many things when I think it is due and have done so about elements of this visit to England. I have also condemned what I percieved as unfair attacks on the Pope. But I will also point out hypocrisy when I see it and I believe it is present here.

46 posted on 09/18/2010 2:49:51 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: marshmallow

I love the Pope’s tie-dyed stole!


47 posted on 09/19/2010 7:14:35 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Howudoing
Who’s going to warn the children about the pope....

The British press has been full of that frap all week, I'm surprised you've missed it.

48 posted on 09/19/2010 7:17:59 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Alex Murphy
"People were trying to get us interested in papal coffee mugs and foam rubber miters," said the Rev. Leslie Ivers, director of the New York Archdiocese's office for the papal visit. "These are things that we don't think are in good taste."

I can understand their problem with 'Pope hats', but I wouldn't mind having a 'Pope' coffee mug.

49 posted on 09/19/2010 7:25:11 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Alex Murphy

“People were trying to get us interested in papal coffee mugs and foam rubber miters,” said the Rev. Leslie Ivers, director of the New York Archdiocese’s office for the papal visit. “These are things that we don’t think are in good taste.”

Thanks for blowing your own case out of the water.

According to your article, “people” were trying to get the archdiocese to sell foam miters. We don’t know who these people were, or whether they were even Catholic. What is clear is that they had no connection with the Holy Father, and that the representative of the archdiocese said the foam miters were not in good taste. How you can wring papal hypocrisy out of that is a question for the ages.

“Why would(n’t) a Catholic want to own a foam miter?” The archdiocese responds by saying “we don’t think they’re in good taste.”

What’s your problem with that? Any properly catechized Catholic is going to agree that they are in bad taste. Again, no indication of papal hypocrisy.

“And a t-shirt is?”

That depends upon what is written on the t-shirt, and where it is worn. T-shirts per se are not intrinsically offensive, as is a foam miter. Again, no indication of papal hypocrisy.

“Why not a miter? What about a miter with the Pope’s picture on it?”

I don’t believe that you are incapable of seeing the problem with that.

“And what’s wrong with calling it a “Pope hat” anyway? Some Catholics use slang to refer to the Pope as “papa” - why not slang to refer to his traditional headgear?”

Slang? My word, you’re not even trying to get things right, are you? “Papa” is Latin for “father.” If anything, it is more formal than “pope.”

“I think it’s safe to assume that the availability of foam miters at any papal appearance is purely “unofficial” at best.”

And yet you allege that their existence demonstrates the hypocrisy of the Holy Father when he speaks of the culture of celebrity. Where’s the consistency in that?

“I think it’s also safe to assume that vendors anticipate a demand for them, since in 1995 they tried to get the archdiocese’s blessing (pun intended) to sell them.”

They tried and failed to get the archdiocese’s permission. Further, anticipating a demand is not the same thing as finding a demand, and neither does selling nonsense to young skulls full of mush demonstrate papal approval. No indication of papal hypocrisy anywhere, yet.

“Would an archdiocese sue competing vendors for selling “unauthorized” souvenirs from the Pope’s visit?”

I doubt it, but some people would say that unauthorized souvenirs show that the pope is hypocritical.

“I get the impression that the more traditionalist Catholics among you would consider buying or wearing a foam miter to be a disrespectful act.”

Only the most poorly catechized Catholics would not.

“It certainly diverts revenue away from archdiocesan efforts to pay for the Pope’s visit via “official” souvenirs. Would you consider that disrespectful as well?”

So, the “hypocrisy” attack having failed, you’re switching to some variant of the “greed” attack?

“I know that a foam miter on a parishioner is less tacky than a rainbow umbrella hat on a priest.”

1. When one is that deep into bad taste, I don’t think minor differences in degree of offensiveness are meaningful. And are we to think that, although the rest of the world agrees that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, your tastes are a matter of knowledge, which is to say a matter of fact?

2. Neither a foam miter nor a rainbow-umbrella hat fall under the definition of “Catholicism.” They are outward manifestations of Satan’s attacks on the Church, nothing more.


50 posted on 09/19/2010 7:43:50 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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