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Pope's Visit to the UK: He Came, He Saw, He Conquered Hearts. Now the Work Begins
Catholic Online ^ | 9/21/10 | Deacon Keith Fournier

Posted on 09/21/2010 4:40:23 AM PDT by tcg

There is a near universal acclaim for the pastoral visit of the successor of Peter to the United Kingdom. The crowds, the depth of his messages in every venue, the obvious hunger of the faithful for the truth of the ancient faith, all added together to make this trip both memorable and historic.

However, though Pope Benedict has physically departed and returned to Rome, the mission he elaborated in this historic four day visit has only just begun. It is the New Evangelization of the Church in the United Kingdom and then, through her, the unfolding of a new missionary age dedicated to re-Christianizing the European continent.

The reaction of the secular Press to this Papal visit is worth noting. Only a few months ago that press was predicting the Pope would be arrested upon arrival. If not, that he would at least be greeted with throngs of angry protestors. Ironically, though there were some protests, the numbers were relatively small. The real numbers in this story were the massive crowds which gathered in every one of his venues to listen to this humble and deeply reflective Christian leader. The response of the secular press is revealed in comments made by David Wiley of the BBC news:

"What has struck seasoned observers of papal tours is that people everywhere have responded spontaneously to the Pope's evident humility and his ability, even when talking serious theology, to communicate simple moral concepts in plain language. As David Cameron plans to say later, as he bids farewell to the Pope, the 83-year-old pontiff has caused the whole country to sit up and think."

However, the Pope did more than call the UK to "sit up and think", he called the Nation to kneel down and pray...

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The Pope did more than call the UK to 'sit up and think', he called the Nation to kneel down and pray.

In his missionary trip to the United Kingdom the Pope proclaimed, without either compromise or triumphalism, that the fullness of that Gospel is found within the full communion of the Catholic Church. He pointed out that the path toward the recovery of Western Civilization is through the recovery of its Christian soul.He called the faithful to a New Evangelization and called for a Re-Christianizing of Europe. This missionary task will not be without opposition. He also knows it will require great sacrifice and heroic virtue.

1 posted on 09/21/2010 4:40:28 AM PDT by tcg
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Quix; metmom

No need for God or Jesus when you have the Pope!

He (the pope) Saw, He (the pope) Conquered hearts

I’m glad Jesus conquered my heart instead of an over-glorified old man.


2 posted on 09/21/2010 4:54:50 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: TSgt

INDEED.

Now, now. How could Jesus possibly have conquered your heart

. . . except through Mary . . .

Didn’t you know Jesus was a weak, incompetent force apart from Mary?

/satire to the max, Lord, Please excuse.


3 posted on 09/21/2010 4:59:24 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix

What’s sad about that is I recently had a family member pass away who was into wearing the brown scapular, etc.. I looked into it and apparently it is used to conjure Mary to intercede or get one out of hell faster but you have to leave it on until the Saturday after your passing or something like that.

The funeral home removed it the same day they received the body.

Guess it didn’t work...


4 posted on 09/21/2010 5:08:27 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: TSgt

GOODNESS! What a bunch of deadly law!

Fantasized law at that.


5 posted on 09/21/2010 5:10:07 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Quix; All

The consistent misunderstanding of Catholic Christian teaching on every thread having to do with Catholicism on this site never ceases to amaze me.

Are you all jealous or what?

If you want to comment on my church and its beliefs, be certain that you do no harm to me, or the Church, but, it kind of belittles you that you won’t take the time understand the fullness of what the Church teaches before you take the time to trash her again and again. She has been persecuted before and she is still here.

Thou art Peter, and upon you as upon a rock will I build my church!


6 posted on 09/21/2010 5:30:28 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: Quix

The Wonders of the Brown Scapular
A Sermon Delivered by Fr. James McGilloway, CMRI
http://www.cmri.org/05-brownscap.html


7 posted on 09/21/2010 5:32:58 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: LurkLongley

I’m with you. I don’t know who the Catholic-bashers on FR are, but they sure do show up en masse when there’s a thread/story abut the Pope.

I say, go Pope! He was wonderful. I support him fully. and I’m a Methodist.


8 posted on 09/21/2010 5:38:42 AM PDT by squarebarb
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To: squarebarb; All

Yeah, it’s a mystery to me especially when, if they bothered to explore it, they would find that they have much more in common with their Catholic brothers and sisters than they would have ever expected.


9 posted on 09/21/2010 5:42:48 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: TSgt

Why ridicule a belief that you don’t share? The belief in the Scapular obviously brought your relative comfort, how can that be a bad thing.

I know of some stranger things that I have seen in “evangelical” churches and they make the belief in the Scapular look pretty darn tame.

I still wear my First Communion Scapular. Don’t knock it if you haven’t tried it.


10 posted on 09/21/2010 5:48:08 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: TSgt; Quix
it is used to conjure Mary to intercede or get one out of hell faster

Do you know what a strawman argument is? You should, because you just made one. Mary doesn't get anyone out of hell, because nobody gets anyone out of hell once they're there.

If you'd like to discuss actual Catholic beliefs, in a sane, charitable manner, instead of misrepresenting them to make them look foolish (where in the Bible does Jesus teach you to do that, again?), we'll be here.

11 posted on 09/21/2010 5:51:33 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion; LurkLongley

Like Obama it provides false hope.


12 posted on 09/21/2010 5:55:25 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: TSgt

Really? You have first hand knowledge of this, then?

Have you ever considered that YOU might be wrong and your relative might have been right?


13 posted on 09/21/2010 6:00:46 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: LurkLongley
LurkLongley said: Yeah, it’s a mystery to me especially when, if they bothered to explore it, they would find that they have much more in common with their Catholic brothers and sisters than they would have ever expected.

And of course what follows is the typical catholic explanation for why some who do take the time to explore Roman Catholic dogma and then reject it on the clear teaching of the Bible. OK, here we go, improper instruction in the catechism by the blessed teacher provided by Rome sweet Rome. Then of course, don't forget to blame of brother Martin and the rest of the 17th century wrecking crew. And when all else fails, there is always the flat out rebellion and satanic blindness that causes disunity.

O'h and don't forget to remind those rebellious souls that Rome wants them to unite with them (under the careful teaching of the Bishop of Rome), ignoring the fact that at best, the rebels don't have strong feelings one way or the other. Remind them daily of their trangressions (while overlooking theirs) call them all kinds of names as if name calling will get them to change their minds. And one last thing, don't forget to make the claim that there are 60,000 unique protestant demominations vs. one holy Roman Catholic church.

14 posted on 09/21/2010 6:15:30 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: LurkLongley
Have you ever considered that YOU might be wrong and your relative might have been right?

Never, Jesus is solely responsible for my salvation. It is an insult to His sacrifice to assume that anyone other than Him could intercede for me especially a sinful human like Mary or the Pope.

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
15 posted on 09/21/2010 6:24:34 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: TSgt; Quix
Before we get all worked up, CMRI is a sedevacantist organization. If you are unaware, that means they don't believe that Benedict XVI is the Pope. More to the point they're literally Protestants, they don't believe the Catholic Church is the Catholic Church anymore, they just waited a few hundred years to nail their articles to the church door.

If you avoid the heretics and schismatics and go directly to the Carmelites you'll find:
The Carmelite Scapular is not:

* a magical charm to protect you
* an automatic guarantee of salvation
* an excuse for not living up to the demands of the Christian life

It is a sign:

* which has been approved by the Church for over seven centuries;
* which stands for the decision to
o follow Jesus like Mary:
o be open to God and to his will
o be guided by faith, hope, and love
o to pray at all times
o to discover God present in all that happens around us.
I'm wearing mine right now and that's the way I've always understood it and had it explained to me.
16 posted on 09/21/2010 6:27:24 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus; Quix
http://carmelitesofeldridge.org/scapular.html
The scapular finds its roots in the tradition of the Carmelite order, which has seen in it a sign of Mary's motherly protection. It has, therefore, a centuries' old spiritual meaning, approved by the church. It stands for a commitment to follow Jesus, like Mary, the perfect model of all the disciples of Christ. This commitment, in turn, finds its origin in baptism by which we become children of God. It leads us into a community of religious men and women, which has existed in the church for over eight centuries, and calls on us to live out the ideal of this religious family: intimate friendship with God in prayer. It also reminds us of the example of the saints of Carmel, with whom we establish close bonds as brothers and sisters to one another, and is an expression of our belief that we will meet God in eternal life, aided by the intercession and prayer of Mary.

It's all about Mary's intercession. False hope, unbiblical and an insult to Jesus's sacrifice.
17 posted on 09/21/2010 6:37:07 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: TSgt

If Our Lord is both fully human as well as fully divine, I don’t think that anyone is bound to be closer to him than his own Mom. I’m thinking, if she’s anything like mine, I’ll put money on her any day.

I seriously doubt that, short of not living up to the ideal that he left us with, there is very much you or I or anyone else could do to “insult” our Lord’s sacrifice. That’s the point of the sacrifice in the first place.


18 posted on 09/21/2010 6:43:50 AM PDT by LurkLongley (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam-For the Greater Glory of God)
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To: LurkLongley
I don’t think that anyone is bound to be closer to him than his own Mom.

Just God the Father but what is HE compared to Mary the Queen of Heaven?
19 posted on 09/21/2010 6:52:25 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: All; LurkLongley

They are here now.

Entertain them at your own risk.

They enjoy being anti Catholic.

All the silly debating they try to ensnare us into is a huge waste of time here on Earth IMO.


20 posted on 09/21/2010 6:59:20 AM PDT by Global2010
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To: Global2010
Global2010 said: They enjoy being anti Catholic.

Thus said the enjoyable anti-protestant.

21 posted on 09/21/2010 7:08:26 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: TSgt
It's always interesting to see what people get out of what they read. The citation you excerpted said one thing to you and another to me, even with your added emphasis what stood out to me was:

It stands for a commitment to follow Jesus

Sometimes it seems that all some people see is Catholics pointing to Mary when if they'd look just past that to who we're really pointing at they'd see Jesus.

Like with the pope, we may be pointing to him but that's because he's pointing to Jesus. To bring this discussion back around to original post: "The Pope proclaimed the God who alone can satisfy the hunger of every human heart, the One who is fully revealed in Jesus Christ - who continues His redemptive mission through the Church which is His Body."

It's a message worth delivering and worth hearing. The secularists understood what he was saying, it's depressing that people who claim to follow Christ can't figure it out.

22 posted on 09/21/2010 7:09:50 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus
Legatus: It's a message worth delivering and worth hearing. The secularists understood what he was saying, it's depressing that people who claim to follow Christ can't figure it out.

Now that was deep

23 posted on 09/21/2010 7:27:09 AM PDT by fatboy
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To: LurkLongley

NOPE.


24 posted on 09/21/2010 7:28:33 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: TSgt

THANKS FOR THE LINK.


25 posted on 09/21/2010 7:29:12 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: TSgt

“First of all, if a Catholic chooses to wear the Brown Scapular, day in and day out, it should be an outward sign of his or her trust in the Blessed Virgin Mary.”


And still the idolatry is denied.

Sigh.


26 posted on 09/21/2010 7:32:33 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Global2010

WRONG AGAIN.


27 posted on 09/21/2010 7:34:01 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: TSgt
I’m glad Jesus conquered my heart instead of an over-glorified old man.

The two are not exclusive, since the one is the Lord and the other the successor of the one chosen by the Lord to head his apostolic college.

28 posted on 09/21/2010 7:43:57 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: TSgt

Well put.


29 posted on 09/21/2010 7:44:28 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Global2010

31 posted on 09/21/2010 7:46:23 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: tcg

What a wonderful last few days! That his trip turned out like this is not at all surprising.


32 posted on 09/21/2010 7:48:33 AM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: TSgt
It is an insult to His sacrifice to assume that anyone other than Him could intercede for me especially a sinful human like Mary or the Pope.

Thye Blessed are in heaven with Christ and form part of His Mystical Body. The intercession of saints is in Christ and not apart from him. The saints are not separate gods. Jesus is the one divine mediator, being both God and man, and the saints are but ways to Him. Also, you should be ashamed of your calumny against Our Lady, who was born and preserved from taint of original sin in anticipation by the merits of Christ's passion. I understand herr Luther had a strong devotion to Our Lady, but that seems to have disappeared somewhere along the way among you die hard Protestants.

33 posted on 09/21/2010 7:51:03 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: tcg

bump


34 posted on 09/21/2010 7:54:16 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Unam Sanctam

Who said I was Protestant?

There’s no mystery to salvation. The Catholic church mystifies it to ensure the church’s power. A Catholic must rely on the church for salvation.

Mary was nothing more than a flesh and blood woman born into sin and who died a non-virgin. She doesn’t have anymore power than the keyboard I used to type this reply. The saints have even less power, like my USB flashdrive.


35 posted on 09/21/2010 8:06:53 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: TSgt
Guess you don't know the facts here:

Being Catholic: Sacred Things, Scapulars [Ecumenical]

In other words, there is more to this than meets the eye. You cannot be the judge. Only God can judge.

36 posted on 09/21/2010 8:22:02 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: tcg

**The reaction of the secular Press to this Papal visit is worth noting.**

And the reaction of some anti-Catholic posters on FR!


37 posted on 09/21/2010 8:22:56 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Quix

Someone who made those shirts doesn’t know their grammar. LOL!


38 posted on 09/21/2010 8:26:52 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: TSgt

You sure sound Protestant to me, so I can’t imagine what other confession you might be, but sorry if I misstated it. The Church provides a clear roadmap of sacramental grace established by Christ for the benefit of all subsequent generations. It may be possible to obtain salvation outside the visible Church through following the law of God written in one’s heart, but it’s a much more murky thing. Best to tread the clear and narrow path to Heaven marked out clearly by our Savior. It’s not a question that one “must rely on the church” for salvation. The Church and her sacraments, instituted by Christ, are a clear means of receiving God’s grace to rely on Christ for one’s salvation.


39 posted on 09/21/2010 8:27:43 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Salvation

I doubt grammar was their purpose or main thought.


40 posted on 09/21/2010 8:40:26 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: Salvation

One would think folks spending money on such would check with someone they knew about such things to avoid embarrassment.

On the other hand . . . we all embarrass ourselves in a myriad of ways in daily life.


41 posted on 09/21/2010 8:42:03 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: TSgt
Beautiful, you completely ignored "It is the New Evangelization of the Church in the United Kingdom and then, through her, the unfolding of a new missionary age dedicated to re-Christianizing the European continent. "

The Pope is working to re-Christianise the UK. You and your grouping of 10 people can do what you like.

The Church will keep preaching God's word and brining people to Christ --> your grouping of 10 people can still believe it's the chosen "elite"
42 posted on 09/21/2010 9:20:47 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: squarebarb
Well, the bashers are basically hyper-Calvinists who also post such rot as The Arminian/Wesleyan Doctrine of Infant Damnation

They pretty much hate everyone and show no Christian compassion or love. Of course, the fact that their groups are only at max 27,000 and dropping (the OPC), doesn't deter them one bit as they believe they are an elite elect upper-caste.
43 posted on 09/21/2010 9:26:39 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: squarebarb; LurkLongley

And thank you squarebob for your kind words. God bless you too. The Pope is fighting to re-Christianize Europe and whether that means people become religious, traditional Lutherans or Methodists or Evangelicals or Catholic or Orthodox, that’s secondary, the main thing is for us to reclaim our Christian faith and heritage.


44 posted on 09/21/2010 9:28:41 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Quix
However, though Pope Benedict has physically departed and returned to Rome, the mission he elaborated in this historic four day visit has only just begun. It is the New Evangelization of the Church in the United Kingdom and then, through her, the unfolding of a new missionary age dedicated to re-Christianizing the European continent.

The reaction of the secular Press to this Papal visit is worth noting. Only a few months ago that press was predicting the Pope would be arrested upon arrival. If not, that he would at least be greeted with throngs of angry protestors. Ironically, though there were some protests, the numbers were relatively small. The real numbers in this story were the massive crowds which gathered in every one of his venues to listen to this humble and deeply reflective Christian leader. The response of the secular press is revealed in comments made by David Wiley of the BBC news:

"What has struck seasoned observers of papal tours is that people everywhere have responded spontaneously to the Pope's evident humility and his ability, even when talking serious theology, to communicate simple moral concepts in plain language. As David Cameron plans to say later, as he bids farewell to the Pope, the 83-year-old pontiff has caused the whole country to sit up and think."

However, the Pope did more than call the UK to "sit up and think", he called the Nation to kneel down and pray...


45 posted on 09/21/2010 9:32:42 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Cronos

Good points.


46 posted on 09/21/2010 9:44:30 AM PDT by Quix (PAPAL AGENT DESIGNEE: Resident Filth of non-Roman Catholics; RC AGENT DESIGNATED: "INSANE")
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To: TSgt

“Finally, I would like to say a word to you, my dear young Catholics of Scotland. I urge you to lead lives worthy of our Lord (cf. Eph 4:1) and of yourselves. There are many temptations placed before you every day – drugs, money, sex, pornography, alcohol – which the world tells you will bring you happiness, yet these things are destructive and divisive.

There is only one thing which lasts: the love of Jesus Christ personally for each one of you. Search for him, know him and love him, and he will set you free from slavery to the glittering but superficial existence frequently proposed by today’s society. Put aside what is worthless and learn of your own dignity as children of God. In today’s Gospel, Jesus asks us to pray for vocations: I pray that many of you will know and love Jesus Christ and, through that encounter, will dedicate yourselves completely to God, especially those of you who are called to the priesthood and religious life. This is the challenge the Lord gives to you today: the Church now belongs to you”

Oh if only the Pope had said something like that! Oh wait, he did.


47 posted on 09/21/2010 9:47:16 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Campion

“If you’d like to discuss actual Catholic beliefs, in a sane, charitable manner, instead of misrepresenting them to make them look foolish ..”

Cold. Day. In.


48 posted on 09/21/2010 9:48:37 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: lastchance; Campion
...to make them look foolish...

They do a pretty good job of that without my help.
49 posted on 09/21/2010 9:50:51 AM PDT by TSgt (And the war came.)
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To: fatboy

Despite the many godly people within them how can anybody doubt that most Protestant sects have fallen enamored of the world’s seduction and lies? So far non-denominational Protestant churches have avoided this as have some mainstream churches such as Southern Baptist, LCMS, Orthodox Presbyterian Church and others I have forgotten. Some have done so by holding fast to Scripture and the confessions of their faith. Others arose in response to the embrace of heresy within their original denominations.

But these heresies arose because they followed the practice that Scripture was to be interpeted by the light of the culture and times in which it is read. Not only do they reject the an official magesterium, they reject the a magesterium of common belief.

This did not happen overnight and it could not have happened had they not corrupted the teaching of Sola Scriptura and the teaching of self interpretation.

So the clear teaching of the Bible may not be as clear as you would like to think if people read it by their own light without guidance from either their denominations confessions or articles of faith or from a teaching magesterium.


50 posted on 09/21/2010 10:06:03 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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