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Islam Meets Catholicism as Muslim Protesters Call for Death of Pope Benedict [Ecumenical]
NewsReelBlog ^ | 09/22/2010 | Lisa Graas

Posted on 09/22/2010 8:59:11 AM PDT by Pyro7480

Though the Crusades were fought centuries ago and are rarely, if ever, mentioned in Catholic classrooms, Muslims today who want Jihad continue to flaunt them in vengeful tones and wallow in hatred for Catholicism. So it was when Pope Benedict XVI visited the United Kingdom and was met on his itinerary by a group of angry Islamists urging for his death and calling him "responsible" for the Crusades.

Muslim demonstrators shouted "Pope Benedict, you will pay, Islam is on its way," "Sharia is on its way," "Justice is on its way" (a lot is coming our way, it seems) and threatened that Sharia would be "declared" against all who insult Muhammad. They shouted to the Pope, "Watch your back," swore that he will "burn in hell" and claimed that he "deserves the death penalty."

Anjem Choudary, who helped lead the protests, is the chief spokesman for Al-Muhajiroun, a fundamentalist Muslim organization based in England that was ostensibly "disbanded."

...The "meeting" of Pope Benedict XVI and Anjem Choudary on the streets of London, though the Pope was apparently oblivious to it, is most noteworthy because in it we see the personification of the two largest religions that are contradictory at their core....

Though all Muslims do not hold to Choudary's views, only the blind or ignorant could sincerely claim that he misunderstands what Islam teaches....

Since devout Muslims refuse to forget the Crusades and are shouting death threats to the Pope, perhaps it is time to bring this chapter of Catholic/Muslim history back into the Catholic classroom....We have not forgotten, as a Church, that the Crusades were defensive wars in response to Muslim atrocities which occurred after Islamists conquered what had been Christian lands....

(Excerpt) Read more at newsrealblog.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Islam; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: benedictxvi; catholic; pope; uk
See the video of the protest at the link above.

Choudary also protested the Pope outside Westminster Cathedral after his Regensburg address in 2006.

Radical Muslims Protest at Westminster Cathedral

1 posted on 09/22/2010 8:59:16 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 09/22/2010 9:02:26 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480
Since devout Muslims refuse to forget the Crusades

Hurt the Pope and you'll get a brand new one in ways your simian minds cannot even comprehend, muzzies.

3 posted on 09/22/2010 9:02:49 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Pyro7480

The left also hates the Pope and the Catholic Church. Anyone not yet convinced of the deep and loving relationship between the marxists and the jihadis?


4 posted on 09/22/2010 9:03:59 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Annoying liberals is my goal. I will not be silenced.)
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To: Pyro7480
Anjem Choudary:

What is it with mohammedans and holding up the stink-finger?

5 posted on 09/22/2010 9:07:23 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
"Anyone not yet convinced of the deep and loving relationship between the marxists and the jihadis?"

I don't think there has ever been an enemy that the American left has not COLLABORATED with.

6 posted on 09/22/2010 9:08:14 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: ArrogantBustard

they think it makes them look smart.


7 posted on 09/22/2010 9:09:01 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Pyro7480
The article fails to mention that the Crusades - while largely poorly executed - were richly, richly deserved.

They were launched only after four full centuries of continuous provocations.

8 posted on 09/22/2010 9:09:37 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: ScottinVA
Since devout Muslims refuse to forget the Crusades

Mussies seem to conveniently forget that the primary reason that the Crusades was to push them OUT of Spain, as they were expanding and subjugating Europe. And while the European nations were fighting for their survival, they also thought it wise to liberate the Holy Land from the hands of the Arabs. Bear in mind that the primary religions in Arabia at that point in time were Idolitry and Islam. The big black marble building that the Muslims hold holy was origionally built in honor of over 100 Idols. They simply murdered the occupants of Medina and took the Kabala as plunder.

9 posted on 09/22/2010 9:09:43 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: VR-21
I don't think there has ever been an enemy that the American left has not COLLABORATED with.

Good point.

10 posted on 09/22/2010 9:11:39 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Testing the air?


11 posted on 09/22/2010 9:13:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Pyro7480

A man of peace 24/7 towards all humans.

And the Muslims can’t cope.


12 posted on 09/22/2010 9:13:30 AM PDT by Global2010
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To: Pyro7480
The Islamic solution for pretty much everything; death.

So-and-so is causing a problem...........kill him! So-and so is rallying the Catholics..........kill him.

One can be forgiven for thinking that when their feet hit the floor first thing in the morning, their immediate thoughts turn to mayhem.

13 posted on 09/22/2010 9:16:52 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Pyro7480
I am so sick of muslims and those that are opposed to western culture in general continually bringing up the crusades. The facts of the matter is that most of the middle east, Egypt, Turkey, the Balkans, etc were Christian. The muslims conquered those lands clear up into Spain. The crusades, conducted over the centuries, were designed to only reestablish the Christian faith in the holy land (Israel). The only apology I want to make to the muslims regarding the crusades is that we did not do it properly and liberate all the people from this pestilence of a religion.
14 posted on 09/22/2010 9:19:39 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Calling all Son's of Liberty)
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To: ArrogantBustard

It’s to remind others of their stink.

By the way, where were the moooooooooooooderate Muslims?


16 posted on 09/22/2010 9:24:52 AM PDT by 353FMG (ISLAM - America's inevitable road to destruction.)
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To: Pyro7480
Pray the Rosary to protect the Pope. It helped to defeat the Moslems before!

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17 posted on 09/22/2010 9:28:04 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Pyro7480
Continue to Pray for Pope Benedict [Ecumenical]
18 posted on 09/22/2010 9:28:30 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Pyro7480
Since Muslims supposedly invented Arabic numerals (in fact those were plagiarized from India), they should know that an 83-year-old man could not have been present at Clermont in 1095 when Urban II launched the First Crusade.

From what I have read, the Arabs had pretty much forgotten about the Crusades until fairly recently. That they are aware of them at all now is just part of the upsurge of anti-Western feeling in the Middle East in modern times...blame the West for everything that's wrong, and tell themselves that they will ultimately win just as the Crusaders were eventually kicked out of the Holy Land.

19 posted on 09/22/2010 9:37:50 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: wideawake
Lisa Graas does mention this at the end of the article:

"We have not forgotten, as a Church, that the Crusades were defensive wars in response to Muslim atrocities which occurred after Islamists conquered what had been Christian lands."

In terms of jus ad bellum, the Crusades were no more act of "aggression" than the Allies' landing at Normandy.

People forget that "the Christian world" as of the early 7th century had included Egypt, Syria, the Levant, all of Northern Africa to Gibraltar and the entire Iberian peninsula up to the Pyrenees, with thriving Christian communities, Byzantine and Nestorian, in what is now Iraq and Iran, along the Silk Road, even to the Indus.

People forget that almost all of this fell to the sword of Islam under the Rashidun (632–661) and the Umayyad (661–750) Caliphates, ---the Muslims had invaded and focibly taken over 2/3 of the Christian world.

Perhaps I shouldn't say "people forget." I'm pretty sure most of us never knew.

20 posted on 09/22/2010 9:53:24 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah fubar.)
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To: Pyro7480

I attended Catholic High School. Our football team where called the Crusaders. The school is no longer open, but I wish it where just so I could root for the Crusaders again!


21 posted on 09/22/2010 10:15:21 AM PDT by J Edgar
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Have you ever been in a college class or other setting where this fact is blatantly in front of everyone and you seem to be the only person who is on some level of reality? Doesn’t matter how many times you tell people how Islam was spread or why the Crusades happened, they just don’t hear it.

This is probably one of my top reasons for not going back for my Masters in History, there’s not enough Valium I could take to save myself.


22 posted on 09/22/2010 10:18:46 AM PDT by DreamingWest
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To: Hodar; Leftism is Mentally Deranged
"I don't think there has ever been an enemy that the American left has not COLLABORATED with.

I've been mulling over that statement a bit, and I don't believe that the American left collaborated directly with Nazi Germany or the Japanese Empire. The American left did oppose fighting the Nazis until 'Barbarossa,' and American communists in our State Dept. manipulated American policy to facilitate Mao's takeover of China. In that sense they were collaborating with the Kremlin to advance international communism, which still buttresses LIMD's observation of the lefts consonance with the muz.

23 posted on 09/22/2010 10:24:50 AM PDT by VR-21
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To: DreamingWest

Have you read any of Bat Ye’or’s books?


24 posted on 09/22/2010 10:52:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Allah fubar.)
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To: Pyro7480

All this bruhal simply shows how deeply in history the hatred for christians goes. It is even beyond Mohammed and the Koran stretching back to Abraham-Sahra and Abraham- Hagar who was Egyptian.


25 posted on 09/22/2010 12:08:22 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

“The left also hates the Pope and the Catholic Church”.

So do alot of freepers.


26 posted on 09/22/2010 2:13:45 PM PDT by diamond6 (Pray the Rosary to defeat communism and Obamacare!!)
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To: Pyro7480

Anjem Chowderhead is the Freddy Phelps of Muslims. Funnily enough, he is also a former lawyer. They have a lot in common. They should totally hang out, or hang anyway...


27 posted on 09/22/2010 3:03:51 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Mrs. Don-o

” People forget that “the Christian world” as of the early 7th century had included Egypt, Syria, the Levant, all of Northern Africa to Gibraltar and the entire Iberian peninsula up to the Pyrenees, with thriving Christian communities, Byzantine and Nestorian, in what is now Iraq and Iran, along the Silk Road, even to the Indus.

People forget that almost all of this fell to the sword of Islam under the Rashidun (632–661) and the Umayyad (661–750) Caliphates, -—the Muslims had invaded and focibly taken over 2/3 of the Christian world.

Perhaps I shouldn’t say “people forget.” I’m pretty sure most of us never knew.”

No, Mrs. D, you Western Christians and secularists forgot, not my people. We’ve never forgotten and neither will our children or their children to the tenth generation and beyond.


28 posted on 09/22/2010 4:27:19 PM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Pyro7480

There is absolutely no need to apologize for the Crusades.


29 posted on 09/22/2010 4:32:27 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Kolokotronis
"No, Mrs. D, you Western Christians and secularists forgot, not my people. We’ve never forgotten and neither will our children or their children to the tenth generation and beyond."

Amen to that, Kolokotronis, my friend.

30 posted on 09/22/2010 5:08:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (So, what is the speed of dark?)
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To: ArrogantBustard

What is it with mohammedans and holding up the stink-finger?

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Eat with the right hand, wipe with the left. That is the clean one, but yes, the finger pointing is as obnoxious as the yelling.


31 posted on 09/22/2010 10:11:46 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (3 great American Thomases: Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and Thomas Sowell.)
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To: wideawake

The article fails to mention that the Crusades - while largely poorly executed - were richly, richly deserved.

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They were. I wish the Templars were still recruiting.


32 posted on 09/22/2010 10:12:53 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (3 great American Thomases: Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and Thomas Sowell.)
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To: wideawake
There's a new book by British Historian Thomas Asbridge called ‘The Crusades’ which takes on the entire era and makes it cohere like an adventure novel. Apparently the Latin West was only too willing to also engage/fight the Greek East as well as team up with one Muslim sect to isolate others. They were surprisingly complex undertakings from a strategic point of view.
33 posted on 09/23/2010 8:28:13 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges
They were surprisingly complex undertakings from a strategic point of view.

Sounds like a good recommendation.

They were necessarily complex, taking place intermittently over 200 years with an ever-changing coalition of Latin kingdoms, republics and organizations.

The Greeks themselves had a succession of dynastic struggles in which some players wanted to throw in with the Latins and others wanted to align with the Muslims.

The Muslims themselves had all kinds of internecine issues after the collapse of Abbasid supremacy, with Fatimid and anti-Fatimid factions, Abbasid revivalists, etc.

At any given point there were at least five players on the board, not two.

34 posted on 09/23/2010 8:40:04 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

It’s also unclear whether Saladin was a dedicated Jihadi or simply an opportunistic Dynast who wanted to maintain his realm. The Muslims saw Christians as polytheists. Even at the very height of pitched battle, Islamic/Christian merchants had free passage from one end to the other. There was never really a feel of Universal Holy War. They were frontier conflicts by parties with a vested interest in the outcome.


35 posted on 09/23/2010 8:46:19 AM PDT by Borges
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To: Pyro7480
Continue to Pray for Pope Benedict [Ecumenical]
36 posted on 09/26/2010 6:16:06 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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