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Despite Legal Threats, Mexican Cardinal Refuses to Retract Condemnation of Homosexuality
LifeSite News ^ | 9/24/2010 | Matthew Cullinan Hoffman

Posted on 09/25/2010 11:05:41 AM PDT by markomalley

MEXICO CITY, September 24, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Cardinal Archbishop of Mexico City is refusing to retract his statements condemning homosexual behavior, despite a complaint filed against him with the federal government's National Council to Prevent Discrimination (Contrapred).

Multiple complaints before various government agencies were filed in August against Rivera, his spokesman Hugo Valdemar, and Cardinal Juan Sandoval Iñiguez by Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard and fellow members of the socialist Party of the Democratic Revolution in response to statements they made denouncing the homosexualist and abortionist policies of the Mexico City government and the nation's Supreme Court.

The complaint filed against Rivera with Contrapred is based on his statement denouncing the Supreme Court's approval of homosexual "marriage," calling it an "immoral legal reform," and declaring that the Catholic Church "cannot cease to call evil, evil."

"Such immoral activity can never be the equivalent of the sexual expression of conjugal love, because it endangers the dignity and the rights of the family that constitute the common good of the society," he added.

In his official response to the complaint, Rivera maintains his ground, saying that his statements on homosexual "marriage" and adoption cannot be compromised because "our posture emanates from our religious creed, that is, from our conscience," according to quotes published in the Mexico City newspaper Milenio.

Rivera reportedly denies the accusation of "discrimination," and says that his statements made "use of religious liberty," a right protected under the Mexican Constitution's Article 24.  The government, he says, "cannot censure nor diminish our religious liberty."

When "a person expresses his opposition, following the doctrine of his religion, to a particular regulation or reform," writes Rivera, "it is not possible to limit his religious liberty, and for that reason the minister of worship or layman has the right to express his opinions regarding religious matters, as long as they do not attack the security, order, health or public morals, or the rights or liberties of others" - conditions he says his statements have met. 


TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: cardinalrivera; homosexualagenda; immigration; mexico; moralabsolutes
"The Catholic Church just needs to concentrate on religion and stay out of politics" -- at least according to not a few around here.
1 posted on 09/25/2010 11:05:44 AM PDT by markomalley
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2 posted on 09/25/2010 11:06:34 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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3 posted on 09/25/2010 11:09:54 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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To: markomalley

Mexico has a habit of lining priests up against a wall.

http://romancatholicvocations.blogspot.com/2007/12/heroes-of-sacrifice-martyr-priests-of.html


4 posted on 09/25/2010 11:20:58 AM PDT by OpusatFR
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5 posted on 09/25/2010 11:21:35 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: markomalley

The Cardinal Archbishop deserves our support.


6 posted on 09/25/2010 11:23:37 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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Pinging both lists because this man is a true hero - standing up for moral absolutes - marriage,family, religious freedom and the Law of Nature - against the federal government of Mexico which enacted same sex marriage. He is courageous and everyone should take heart from his example, whether Catholic, Protestant, Jew, Hindu, or no particular faith. Stand up for the truth! Note my tagline!

7 posted on 09/25/2010 11:24:10 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: markomalley

They’re wrong.

Cardinal Archbishop Rivera is a very brave man.


8 posted on 09/25/2010 11:34:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Oops - we posted at the same time!

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9 posted on 09/25/2010 11:35:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: markomalley

The condemnation of homosexuality is a religious position.


10 posted on 09/25/2010 11:37:20 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: little jeremiah

It just means that it’s really important info. This is a whiff of what’s coming.


11 posted on 09/25/2010 11:40:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Cvengr
The condemnation of homosexuality is a religious position.

It is also a moral one.

12 posted on 09/25/2010 11:41:23 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: Cvengr
The condemnation of homosexuality is a religious position.
Multiple complaints before various government agencies were filed in August against Rivera, his spokesman Hugo Valdemar, and Cardinal Juan Sandoval Iñiguez by Mexico City Mayor Marcelo Ebrard and fellow members of the socialist Party of the Democratic Revolution in response to statements they made denouncing the homosexualist and abortionist policies of the Mexico City government and the nation's Supreme Court.

Sounds to me like he's trying to tell the Mexican government what to do about an issue. Sounds like political pressure (in support of a religious ideal, granted) to me.

And we know (/sarc) that religion should stay out of politics

13 posted on 09/25/2010 11:54:02 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

You mean to tell me that we are not only being overrun by criminals from Mexico, we are being overrun by faggot criminals from Mexico?!


14 posted on 09/25/2010 12:06:15 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: markomalley

Very few Americans are aware that the Mexican government openly oppressed the Catholic Church from the 1820s to the 1990s, when the laws against the Church were technically suspended. The Mexican elites seem to be interested in going back to default mode.


15 posted on 09/25/2010 12:30:47 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: DJ MacWoW

Exactly. Bravery is needed big time.


16 posted on 09/25/2010 12:40:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Cvengr; manc
The condemnation of homosexuality is a religious position.

Condemnation of homosexuality is also a common sense position, a Natural Law position, a health position. To try to stuff it into "well that's your religion and I don't believe it" is nonsense.

17 posted on 09/25/2010 12:44:07 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: markomalley

Mexico had a little problem with socialists in the 1920’s..

They had no problem executing priests and lay Catholics.


18 posted on 09/25/2010 1:18:30 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Liberals are educated above their level of intelligence.. Thanks Sr. Angelica)
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To: Cvengr
The condemnation of homosexuality is a religious position.

"As well as a rational one. Self destructive behavior is ungood...

19 posted on 09/25/2010 1:26:57 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: wideawake

Mexico was one of the first communist inspired states way back in the eighteen hundreds.


20 posted on 09/25/2010 2:35:17 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: markomalley

I guess God will be arrested for bias. He made it absolutely clear that men should not lie with men because doing so is an abomination.


21 posted on 09/25/2010 2:57:35 PM PDT by Mack Truck
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To: Cvengr

not just religious at all. I know many infact most who are not religious but find homosexuality disgusting and sick


22 posted on 09/25/2010 4:16:03 PM PDT by manc (He goes to church and now this biased media says look he's a Christian.Biased media =joke)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The significance is that homosexuality precludes fellowship with God through faith in Christ. It grieves the Holy Spirit.

Accordingly, prevention of the communication of this religious facet denies a citizen of both free speech and free exercise of religion, substituting a pagan religion as a government established religion.


23 posted on 09/25/2010 5:06:23 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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The condemnation of homosexual acts, homosexual “marriage,” and homosexual adoption, is a religious position, a philosophical position, and a political position. It is the latter two positions due to the Natural Law, which is knowable by reason, and independent of faith.

Furthermore, homosexual acts are contrary to the true nature of man, according to Natural Law.

You’re wrong. I’m right.


24 posted on 09/25/2010 11:04:31 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Paladino is a rock star!)
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To: Cvengr
Accordingly, prevention of the communication of this religious facet denies a citizen of both free speech and free exercise of religion, substituting a pagan religion as a government established religion.

I would substitute "secularism" for "pagan religion."

Our founding documents, namely, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, are based on Natural Law, which was created and given to man by God. What is the Mexican Constitution based on?

The Cardinal has the inalienable right, and the moral authority, to speak out against active homosexuality, no matter what the Mexican constitution says. I see that he invokes the Mexican Constitution's Freedom of Religion/Conscience "clause." Without a basis of inalienable rights and Natural Law, I don't know how far he's going to get with the Mexican Government.

He's very brave, and he needs our prayers. The Mexican government has had it in for the Catholic Church for nearly 200 years.

25 posted on 09/25/2010 11:55:39 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Paladino is a rock star!)
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To: Lauren BaRecall

Technically, the natural man has an old sin nature, which might have a proclivity to homosexuality. God provides a solution to every type of thinking and behavior the natural man is tempted to perform contrary to His Plan.

He shows us that those who are homosexuals, as well as liars, murderers, extortioners, etc will not inherit the Kingdom of God, but a way is available for salvation through Him. Hence the issue of homosexuality and how to avoid eternal consequences of such behavior is also a religious issue, in that religion, as a method for worshiping God, provides guidance on how to best avoid homosexuality.


26 posted on 09/26/2010 2:43:45 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Lauren BaRecall; Cvengr

You are absolutely correct.

To say that objection to the homosexual agenda of which the basic foundation is the normalization homosexual acts is a religious position is as ridiculous as saying that objection to murder and its promotion is a religious position, since all religions in the world condemn murder.


27 posted on 09/26/2010 10:39:32 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Cvengr
The condemnation of homosexuality is a religious position.

That may be true, but the actions of homosexuals affect the society at large; the spread of AIDS is the perfect example of that. If their push for 'civil rights' means that religious institutions that oppose their lifestyle choice are forced to accommodate homosexuals while providing services for the general public, then that is an infringement on the Church's ability to conduct its activities.

Even though the Church teaches against homosexual activity, she also teaches that people who choose that lifestyle be treated with all Christian charity, and not suffer discrimination simply because of that choice. That does not mean that homosexuals should have preferential treatment, just that they not be treated differently because of their choice.

28 posted on 09/26/2010 7:10:51 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Just because it is also a religious issue, doesn’t mean the law may not also address it. On the contrary, a law which requires the equivalence of homosexuality is also a law establishing the practice of a religion, which is antiChristian.


29 posted on 09/26/2010 8:11:14 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr; DBeers; little jeremiah

>>The condemnation of homosexuality is a religious position.

As well as a Darwinistic one. Celebration of what is clearly a Darwinistic defect is absurd from a Darwinistic perspective.


30 posted on 09/27/2010 5:07:49 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: markomalley
Maybe the Catholic Church needs to take a lesson from its past and get BACK into politics. Just learn "whose a** to kick" as Obama would say.


31 posted on 09/29/2010 9:05:18 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: markomalley

Glad to see there are still a few iron-spined men of God in the world.


32 posted on 09/29/2010 9:08:06 PM PDT by behzinlea
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