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Relationships Market After 50 Years of The Pill
The Australian ^ | 9/25/10 | Cardinal George Pell

Posted on 09/29/2010 8:33:41 AM PDT by marshmallow

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To: ansel12

I understand your point, but I do believe that what I stated would be the prevailing view among women and girls. Besides which, there’s a too high % of men who do enjoy getting women pregnant as a sign of potentcy.


51 posted on 09/29/2010 9:42:26 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

My point as a man is that it is rare to find girls that use the pill effectively and I also disagree with the claim that a lot of men want to get pinned by pregnant dates.

Pregnancy is a tool of females, not males. I’m aware of the ghetto image, but even if it is true (which I doubt), it sure isn’t true of America in general.

Men do not want casual sex to result in being owned by a female, that is why we use fake names, go to their apartments, and conceal our identity.


52 posted on 09/29/2010 9:55:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

Well, I don’t know your age, but the women of my age group would be loathe to get pregnant, seeing it as a one way ticket to poverty and stress. I never said that men want to get “pinned” either, but there is a mentality among some that impregnating a girl proves their virility, which is more apparent among some groups than others. No man is “owned” by a female-what they pay for (when they do pay)is ostensibly, support to the CHILD-The end result of usually “casual sex”. While no man has a say in whetehr or not the child is even born, they can practice self-control, the use of condoms or vasectomy. It’s not all a one way street, believe it or not.


53 posted on 09/29/2010 10:44:49 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Amberdawn

Just give men a simple, effective pill and you turn the male/female world upside down.

Women would quickly learn a way to regain their power and that would involve withholding sex for rings.


54 posted on 09/29/2010 10:51:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: Amberdawn
but the women of my age group would be loathe to get pregnant, seeing it as a one way ticket to poverty and stress.

Tell me which generation you are, and we can look up the illegitimacy rate for the females of your age group, also the abortion rate.

55 posted on 09/29/2010 11:32:26 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: Gondring

>>A woman should be able to choose her own destiny; prostitution is only one option.<<

How often do you visit them?


56 posted on 09/30/2010 4:41:12 AM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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To: Inappropriate Laughter
True to a point. And that was what the First things article referenced.

The pill shifted the power to young women. They can get all the “benefits” of marriage, while controlling the risks.

Men who want to be cads and women who want to be predators win.

57 posted on 09/30/2010 6:47:14 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: netmilsmom; ansel12; Gondring
The point is, my girls hold the power of THEIR lives as long as they do not have premarital sex.... Should a girl open her legs ..., she loses her power over her own life.

That message is not just for girls. I told my son the same thing: don't take a chance on having a baby out of wedlock, especially before you finish your education. The girl can take you to court for support, but still manipulate or withhold visitation, live with or marry another guy who will interfere, move to another state and take the child, etc etc. Sexual continence is best, and not just for girls.

58 posted on 09/30/2010 10:04:12 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Government does nothing as economically as the private sector. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Albion Wilde

Geez, I pray there there are more parents teaching your message to their sons. Thank you!


59 posted on 09/30/2010 10:10:32 AM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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To: Albion Wilde
"That message is not just for girls"

Agree 100%. For too long there has been a strange dichotomy in the American family: we raise our daughters to guard their virtue, but we encourage our sons to be rakes. (An encouragement that they hardly need, given the biology involved.) This is a recipe for failure, and failure is what we have.

60 posted on 09/30/2010 10:26:59 AM PDT by jboot (Let Christ be true and every man a liar.)
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To: ansel12

???

I was just concurring with her conservative view.


61 posted on 10/03/2010 12:03:58 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: ansel12
Once men can do whatever they want without a pregnancy care in the world, no money concerns, no need for fake names, no risk from any female on the planet, just free unlimited sex with no marriage, no child support, no responsibilities, no lawyers, no courts, then men will be in total, 100% control of their own lives, and of human sex, how long do you think that females will go along with that?

In certain groups, you have somewhat similar conditions today, where men take no responsibility whether or not they father children. And do the women in those conditions gain power? No...in fact, just the opposite. Even with easy access to abortion,

It's rather unrealistic to think that under such conditions, women would form a cartel rather than compete.

62 posted on 10/03/2010 12:05:39 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: jboot; Albion Wilde
For too long there has been a strange dichotomy in the American family: we raise our daughters to guard their virtue, but we encourage our sons to be rakes. (An encouragement that they hardly need, given the biology involved.) This is a recipe for failure, and failure is what we have.

Post of the day.

63 posted on 10/03/2010 12:09:59 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: Gondring
In certain groups, you have somewhat similar conditions today, where men take no responsibility whether or not they father children. And do the women in those conditions gain power? No...in fact, just the opposite. Even with easy access to abortion,

That is as ridiculous as your vasectomy try; neither of them have anything in common with what a simple, effective birth control pill for men would be.

You don't seem able to even grasp the idea of a "simple, effective" birth control pill for men, that is why you don't bother with my idea of what the results would be if we got one, you seem to be having your own conversation with yourself.

64 posted on 10/03/2010 12:25:16 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: Gondring; netmilsmom
??? I was just concurring with her conservative view.

It sure didn't look that way to me, it looked like you were doing just what I said you were.

65 posted on 10/03/2010 12:27:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: netmilsmom

Teaching your children that sex is a power play is just wrong on so many levels. Besides, there are just as many predatory women looking to get laid as there are men.


66 posted on 10/03/2010 12:28:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad
Besides, there are just as many predatory women looking to get laid as there are men.

Which planet is it that you live on again?

67 posted on 10/03/2010 1:01:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: CodeToad; ansel12

If codetoad (guy?) is a handsome masculine tadpole he is getting hit on allot.

If he was a cad of a charactor who is handsome/hot/manly he would be getting busy allot.

I am a wise old woman.
Once was a young dumb wild woman centuries ago. : )
I know what woman of the worldly world are capable of.


68 posted on 10/03/2010 1:13:47 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: Global2010

There are not as many women looking to get laid as there are men.

Visit the pick up world some time, and notice the imbalance.


69 posted on 10/03/2010 1:22:36 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

Visit the pick up world sometime.....

No thanks. Haven’t been around a meat market in decades seems like a century ago.

Funny to see all the guys who were hittin’ everything back then.

Now they are just old men or dead. Divorced and unattractive.


70 posted on 10/03/2010 2:02:35 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: Global2010
Funny to see all the guys who were hittin’ everything back then.
Now they are just old men or dead. Divorced and unattractive.

Weird, do you think that people think that you know what you are talking about, and were striving to make a factual statement? You only sound bitter and rejected.

71 posted on 10/03/2010 2:10:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

Whatever.

You misperceived my post.

And I ain’t gonna ‘splain it.

So there. (raspberry)


72 posted on 10/03/2010 2:15:52 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: Global2010

“I am a wise old woman.”

Not if you think a vagina is a commercial piece of property.


73 posted on 10/03/2010 2:17:47 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: ansel12

“Which planet is it that you live on again?”

Get out more. Men aren’t having sex with just a select few women. The dirtly little secret women don’t want out is that they want sex as much as any man, but their brainwashing tells them that their genitals are commerical property not to just be “given” out. This male bashing that all men want is sex and womend don’t is pure crap.


74 posted on 10/03/2010 2:20:45 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad

>>Teaching your children that sex is a power play is just wrong on so many levels. Besides, there are just as many predatory women looking to get laid as there are men.<<

Please read farther down the thread.
The power is in the control of their OWN lives. Not someone else’s. Once they have sex outside of marriage, it opens them up to STDs, Pregnancy and all the problems of both. The guy can be long gone and they still lose control of their lives because they have to deal with the consequences.


75 posted on 10/03/2010 2:38:38 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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To: ansel12

Thank you!


76 posted on 10/03/2010 2:40:24 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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To: CodeToad
Get out more. Men aren’t having sex with just a select few women.

First that isn't true, remember high school when 1 girl could remove the virginity of a large portion of the males, the same as a couple of hookers could do for other male groups and cliques.

The rest of life is like that, the bars have a few easy girls and the hookers that service huge numbers of men.

This Saturday night, visit the clubs close to closing time, and try to see who is hunting, and the rarity of what is being hunted, and write down the ratios and note the difference in the males that you see going home alone despite spending their money and efforts on avoiding that result, versus the females going home alone by choice.

Watch as half a dozen males crowd around a single female, hoping to be the one.

If you really have the energy, be sure to notice all the hookers out at that time of the night, why are they there? Because they are available to make up that gender gap in the sex hunt. Do you see any male hookers standing out there to service the females that couldn't score? Of course not.

77 posted on 10/03/2010 2:40:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: CodeToad

>>The dirty little secret women don’t want out is that they want sex as much as any man, but their brainwashing tells them that their genitals are commercial property not to just be “given” out.<<

Um, the “dirty little secret” is that women like cuddles and kisses and are willing to have sex to get them.

That is how we are hard wired. Women are looking to nest, men are looking to plant their seeds. Women have been told far too long that they “want sex as much as men do”, when actually they want the closeness that comes with sex. Men and women are really working toward different goals. The Cougars are the women that believe the feminazi hype of “you want it as much as they do”. No, we don’t. Because given the choice of a sexless but lovefilled marriage or a bunch of one night stands, honestly, we’ll take the marriage.

It’s the reason why lesbian relationships are all about emotion and male homosexual relationships are all about sex.


78 posted on 10/03/2010 2:50:01 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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To: wagglebee

BTTT.


79 posted on 10/03/2010 3:01:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: marshmallow

Having sex while the woman is on the pill is like eating with one’s stomach stapled so no nutrition can be absorbed.

Something’s very, very wrong with both situations. (And of course, not just “the pill” but the pill is extreme, and symbolizes all contraception, due to its ease. And of course the fact that most BC pills (AFAIK) are abortifacients into the bargain.


80 posted on 10/03/2010 3:04:16 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah
Having sex while the woman is on the pill is like eating with one’s stomach stapled so no nutrition can be absorbed.


81 posted on 10/03/2010 4:09:53 PM PDT by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage (Tattoos are for identifying corpses and criminals.)
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To: Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage

Both violate the laws of nature. Simple.


82 posted on 10/03/2010 4:43:15 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage

In trying to prevent people from naturally experiencing the results of their actions, insulating them from being responsible human beings.

But of course the pill is infinitely more damaging as millions of more people are affected by it, very few do the stomach stapling procedure.

That brings up something else - people are scorned more for being obese pigs who can’t control their tongues than they are for being sluts who can’t control their genitals. Pretty messed up.


83 posted on 10/03/2010 4:45:29 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: netmilsmom

Practical conerns are, of course, important, but that’s not what was said. The poster talked about “power”, and any young lady that thinks her body is a power struggle of any kind, regardless if she or he holds “power”, has issues.


84 posted on 10/03/2010 4:55:18 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: netmilsmom

” Men and women are really working toward different goals.”

That I agree with; both want sex, just differing reasons at different stages of their lives.

How many middle aged women complain about not getting laid? Most of them, and it isn’t for the snuggle time.

When I was younger in my early 20’s I met one girl after another that wanted to have babies to avoid having to have a career or they just had raging hormones. They had sex with strangers if need be to get them. There isn’t a 65% single mother birth rate for no reason.

I have never, ever met a “virtuous” girl or woman. Never. They all played that way and played it up hard, well, most of them, but we all knew that the second they could excuse their behavior they were naked and loving it. So, no, I do not believe women “hold out” or “wait” for the right man at the right time. Not for a second. They are as horny with their hormones raging as any man or anything else alive. They just don’t want to admit it sometimes, although that has changed significantly over the past 10 years or so. Being a “slut” is “in” right now. It gets the girl the center of attention she craves. Toss in a smidgen of daddy issues, insecurities, or just this shy of ugly and you’ve got yourself a party girl. There is a reason the Internet is loaded with more women in porn than anything else; easy girls and loads of them. It is estimated that the Internet traffic is roughly two-thirds pornography. I doubt only a handful of girls serve that level of bandwidth. There is never a loss for women wanting to be in porn.

Check out such popular products as “Girls Gone Wild!” and see what all these virtuous college girls are doing on the Spring Break. There are thousands of them and no shortage of bare breasts.

Let’s toss in the number of women that cheat in their marriage. Of all the people I have known only a few men have cheated but the number of women has been staggering in my experiences. I also know a few professional marriage counselors; it is usually the women doing the cheating. “Sex for cuddles” or “sex for marriage”? No way. It is pure orgasms and nothing else. Younger girls usually go for the attention and snuggle time; some, anyway. Many just want the casual sex.

So, no, I don’t buy the myth that women are virtuous in their desires for sex and men are just animals. Besides, I’ve never met a woman that didn’t want an animal in bed. She sure as Hell doesn’t want a “sensitive” homo crying in her sheets; she wants a MAN! To quote one woman, “I want IT, and I want it NOW!”


85 posted on 10/03/2010 5:18:35 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad

Wow you and ansel12 are just not connecting to my posts today.

Not blaming any game here let’s just leave it at misconceptions.

See you next week on a more positive thread.

Back to work for me.
no sense of humor...
around these parts.


86 posted on 10/03/2010 5:25:57 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: Albion Wilde

Agree and bump.


87 posted on 10/03/2010 5:37:14 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: little jeremiah
Having sex while the woman is on the pill is like eating with one’s stomach stapled so no nutrition can be absorbed.

Actually, it would be more like enjoying a fine dining experience, and never knowing that the Chef had his stomach stapled.

88 posted on 10/03/2010 5:40:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: ansel12

When sex is divorced from the potential of children, and subsequently from any lifetime marital commitment, it is damaging for the men, the women, and society.


89 posted on 10/03/2010 6:57:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: little jeremiah

That is a much saner statement, and one that people can understand.


90 posted on 10/03/2010 7:04:14 PM PDT by ansel12 ([fear of Islam.] Once you are paralyzed by fear of Mohammedanism...you have lost the battle.)
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To: marshmallow

Great post!!!


91 posted on 10/03/2010 7:11:58 PM PDT by annie laurie (All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost)
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To: CodeToad

>>How many middle aged women complain about not getting laid? Most of them, and it isn’t for the snuggle time.<<

LOLOL!!!

You watch too much Sex in the City! In fact, you listen too much to the MSM. To them everyone is sexualized. Hellsbells, Progressive Insurance has an old couple about to jump on each other right on the counter. Honey, women flocking to rut is a myth. And it’s what the media wants you to believe.

I AM a middle aged woman. I can tell you right now, in fly over country, where the real women are, not a single woman I know is a “Cougar”. Seriously. If they are not in a marriage, they are not jumping from bed to bed. I can’t believe you have fallen for that crap.

You want to call it “virtuous” to follow your instincts, be my guest. Women, real women are not jumping from man to man. Yeah, you’ll find a few, in every generation. But seriously, life is not “Desperate Housewives” no matter how much the Hollywood crowd wants it to be.

Oh and btw, you’re talking to a woman who DID wait for the right guy. I was 34 before sex. So maybe you just hang with the wrong type of woman.


92 posted on 10/03/2010 7:44:22 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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To: CodeToad

>>The poster talked about “power”, and any young lady that thinks her body is a power struggle of any kind, regardless if she or he holds “power”, has issues.<<

I AM the poster and I have explained to you the “power” that my daughters hold. The power of HER own life.


93 posted on 10/03/2010 7:46:31 PM PDT by netmilsmom ("Happiness is a choice"-Fr. Ben Ludtke. Pray for healing of his Brain Tumor, pls.)
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