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US cardinal urges Catholics to take ‘St. Francis Pledge’ on climate change
Catholic Culture ^ | September 30, 2010

Posted on 10/01/2010 6:50:23 AM PDT by Antioch

In a letter to parishes dated October 4-- the memorial of St. Francis of Assisi-- Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles will announce the formation of the Archdiocesan Creation Sustainability Ministry, according to the electronic newsletter of the Catholic Climate Covenant.

“We exhort our faith communities and all our brothers and sisters to take the St. Francis Pledge, an initiative that urges Catholics nationwide to pray for, learn about, assess, act and advocate for populations affected by climate change, especially those that are most vulnerable,” Cardinal Mahony adds.

“The St. Francis Pledge is a promise and a commitment by Catholic individuals, families, parishes, organizations and institutions to live our faith by protecting God’s Creation and advocating on behalf of people in poverty who face the harshest impacts of global climate change,” according to the Catholic Climate Covenant, an initiative of the Catholic Coalition on Climate Change. In marked contrast to some environmental organizations, the Catholic Climate Covenant states that it holds to “an authentically Catholic Pro-Life position which uncompromisingly excludes abortion, artificial contraception, and/or sterilization.”

The coalition, in turn, is a partnership of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, and ten other organizations.

Catholic social teaching on safeguarding the environment is summarized in Chapter 10 of the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, which was issued in 2004. Pope Benedict further reflected on the topic in his 2010 World Day of Peace message.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ministry/Outreach
KEYWORDS: gaia; mahny; mahony; paganism; phony
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Mahoney's Creation Sustainability Ministry pretty much says it all. Thanks be to God, it's all over February 11, the day Phoney gets his gold watch and disappears from LA catholic scene.
1 posted on 10/01/2010 6:50:26 AM PDT by Antioch
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


2 posted on 10/01/2010 6:52:13 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

obama party..i’m dat niga lyrics...
http://stutteringmessiah.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/obama%E2%80%99s-in-your-face-double-standard-as-he-appeals-to-basest-instincts-of-young-voters/


3 posted on 10/01/2010 6:54:21 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: Antioch

Here’s the thing Cardinal.

St Francis isn’t the Patron site of Fake Science and Kleptomarxism.

That position goes to Al Gore.


4 posted on 10/01/2010 6:55:42 AM PDT by agere_contra (...what if we won't eat the dog food?)
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To: Antioch

So conservatives were right all along. Environmentalism IS a religion.


5 posted on 10/01/2010 6:55:48 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Josef Stalin - The Father of "Progressive Values"! <<<<< sarc/ for those in Rio Linda.)
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To: Antioch

I’m pretty sure St. Francis would NOT like his name used in an effort to promote Gaia worship and a major scam.


6 posted on 10/01/2010 6:58:46 AM PDT by kidd
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To: All

No thanks.

Feed your sheep.


7 posted on 10/01/2010 7:01:12 AM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: Antioch
Archdiocesan Creation Sustainability Ministry

Wouldn't that include population control?

8 posted on 10/01/2010 7:02:13 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (11/2/10-Obama: Close your eyes and think of Kenya)
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To: Antioch

It may not be a blast for you, Cardinal, but it’s definitely a blasphemy.


9 posted on 10/01/2010 7:02:43 AM PDT by Mobties (Let the markets work! Reduce the government footprint!)
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To: Antioch

Doesn’t this guy know who created the earth? Does he think God screwed up somewhere and we have to fix God’s mistakes? He would fit in will with Bishop Conlon in the Steubenville Diocese. He would enjoy our homilies on amnesty and healthcare as a universal human right.


11 posted on 10/01/2010 7:04:46 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Antioch

Looney toons. I’m surprised he doesn’t float off into earth orbit, buoyed by the vacuum between his ears ...


12 posted on 10/01/2010 7:11:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Beware of the owrk!)
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To: Antioch

Before I clicked on the link, I figured out it was Cardinal Mahony just from reading the headline.


13 posted on 10/01/2010 7:13:46 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Antioch
Cardinal Fudgepacker speaks.
14 posted on 10/01/2010 7:14:25 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The only stable state is one in which all men are equal before the law." -- Aristotle)
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To: Antioch
"Yea, hath God said" (Gen 3:1): Environmentalism IS Satan's religious system to clean up the world and thus encourage people thru Al Gore (and other pagan leaders) to experience a united environmental world-wide "good feeling" that every men/women/child can feel that they have contributed to the cleaning up of the world, resulting in people thinking "hey, I don't need God, the world doesn't need God - we all united in an environmental world-wide clean-up effort and successfully cleaned up the world's environmental".

Thus, Satan gets the credit.

This Environmentalism IS a religion - not of God, not promoted by God (show me the Scriptures to prove otherwise), not commanded by God (show me the Scriptures to prove otherwise).

15 posted on 10/01/2010 7:15:53 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: Antioch

“...an initiative that urges Catholics nationwide to pray for, learn about, assess, act and advocate for populations affected by climate change, especially those that are most vulnerable,” Cardinal Mahony adds.”

I’m down with that. “Climate Change” is about stifling human productivity and initiative, effectively creating poverty. Capitalism has done more to lift people out of poverty than any other economic device. I’ll take your lead, Padre, and pray that all nations turn away from Watermelon Marxism, aka “Climate Change” and towards the Capitalistic model in order to enrich the lives of their citizens.


16 posted on 10/01/2010 7:18:54 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: agere_contra

Amen.


17 posted on 10/01/2010 7:19:52 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Army Air Corps

“We exhort our faith communities...to take the St. Francis Pledge,... to advocate for populations affected by climate change, especially those that are most vulnerable,” Cardinal Mahony adds.

The most vulnerable population is the American taxpayer.


18 posted on 10/01/2010 7:21:54 AM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: Tax-chick
buoyed by the vacuum between his ears ...

If you held a weightless balloon 'filled by' a vacuum and released it, would it ascend at an increasing rate approaching infinity once beyond the drag of earth's atmosphere?

19 posted on 10/01/2010 7:26:05 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Darned if I know, but I can picture Mahoney, bless his heart, hovering at about 30,000 feet ;-). Or maybe lower, so he could interact with the flocks of Canada geese.


20 posted on 10/01/2010 7:29:35 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Beware of the owrk!)
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To: Tax-chick

Maybe just slightly below and behind the flocks of geese.


21 posted on 10/01/2010 7:32:18 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

That’s pretty much what I was thinking!


22 posted on 10/01/2010 7:34:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Beware of the owrk!)
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To: Antioch
In a letter to parishes dated October 4-- the memorial of St. Francis of Assisi-- Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles will announce the formation of the Archdiocesan Creation Sustainability Ministry, according to the electronic newsletter of the Catholic Climate Covenant....

....The coalition, in turn, is a partnership of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the National Religious Partnership for the Environment, and ten other organizations.

Catholic social teaching on safeguarding the environment is summarized in Chapter 10 of the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, which was issued in 2004. Pope Benedict further reflected on the topic in his 2010 World Day of Peace message.

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23 posted on 10/01/2010 7:37:33 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Tax-chick

Off today to ride a dirtbike on “Colockum Pass”. Will be my first real mountain trail ride in 20 years — please pray for me LOL. Will do my part to help climate change.


24 posted on 10/01/2010 7:46:44 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Antioch

As a Franciscan, I am offended that this (L.A.) archdiocese is using St. Francis to promote this quasi-Marxist filth. I hope the new Bishop will be loyal to Rome and put a stop to this.

In addition to this, there is a Catechism conference this coming weekend and four of the seminars deal with “climate change”. That has NOTHING to do with the faith, I’m so mad I could spit.


25 posted on 10/01/2010 7:50:14 AM PDT by rbosque (11 year Freeper! Combat Economist.)
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To: Antioch

** Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles will announce**

Move along folks, Mahony will be gone soon and someone with some sense will be there in his place....Archbishop Gomez!


26 posted on 10/01/2010 8:24:21 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

I would have thought you could see much better than that up there on your high horse.

Even though he is a Cardinal, Mahoney has proven with his own words many times that he does not speak the truth about the Catholic Church. Therefore, he doesn’t speak for the Church.

The Catholic Church is not going to go away. And you should be glad for that. The Catholic Church is the only church speaking against abortion, euthanasia and many other life issues. These are hardly leftist causes.

The Church is neither left or right, conservative or liberal. The Church is truth.


27 posted on 10/01/2010 8:24:45 AM PDT by baldisbeautiful (Goodbye America!)
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To: Eldon Tyrell
Catholic church just will not go away.

No, the Catholic Church will not go away. I'm aware that some folks, perhaps even some folks on this forum, would like nothing better than for the lot of us to just drop dead. Ain't gonna happen. Deal with it.

Meantime, protestantism would look a whole lot less hypocritical if protestants were a whole lot more visible in pro-life work.

28 posted on 10/01/2010 8:32:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
...And I say the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus...the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color...

This church you protect is mystery Babylon the Great

She was responsible for killing the real Christian martyrs in history...and hiding the truth of God in Latin so that only scholars would know what it truly said...

Why do you suppose it was called the "dark ages" of history...

29 posted on 10/01/2010 9:13:35 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
Thank you for that most interesting and enlightening post.

May God grant you the grace of repentance and conversion.

30 posted on 10/01/2010 9:17:49 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: bibletruth; ArrogantBustard; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; ...
...And I say the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus...the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color...

This church you protect is mystery Babylon the Great

I bet you read about this in a comic book, come on just tell us.

She was responsible for killing the real Christian martyrs in history

Saint Stephen is typically consider the first martyr. He was killed by Jewish authorities with Saint Paul's participation. Perhaps you should read the Bible sometime and not comic books.

and hiding the truth of God in Latin so that only scholars would know what it truly said...

Here's a little history for you, prior to the invention of the printing press, nearly everyone was illiterate. There were EXACTLY TWO written languages that were widespread throughout Europe prior to the 15th century: Greek and Latin, the Bible was available in both (though due to cost, the average person could never afford one). What language do YOU think the Bible should have been written in? English? Too bad, it DID NOT EXIST, neither did French or Spanish or German. The FACT is that ALL literate people could read Greek and Latin, so there was no impediment.

Why do you suppose it was called the "dark ages" of history...

I'll give you a hint, the Dark Ages had been over for CENTURIES before it was called that. But the Dark Ages refers to the collapse of civilization and economy when the Roman Empire collapsed. During this period, the ONLY source of stability throughout most or Europe was the Catholic Church.

31 posted on 10/01/2010 9:41:16 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well at least you still have Notre Dame, and all those hard core anti-abortion stalwarts there!

The problem is your “priests” - and their politics - not the rank and file - so lets stop with the straw man.

And consider stopping changing the topic as well. The topic is “Stupid Catholic Priests want to use pulpit for left wing politics”

Deal with that.


32 posted on 10/01/2010 9:46:32 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Eldon Tyrell
Well at least you still have Notre Dame, and all those hard core anti-abortion stalwarts there!

Yes ... they remind me of protestants.

33 posted on 10/01/2010 9:51:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: baldisbeautiful

You start with the personal slight, and go forward with defense of the Church on off topic topics.

Then you claim a Cardinal “does not speak for the church”. Good one.

Evidently your position is - “When they speak what I want to hear - they are speaking for the church. When they speak nonsense, they aren’t speaking for the church”. Nice filter.

Do you have the guts to summarize Catholic Church support for Obama? Were they - on average - pro or con? Illegal immigration?

Catholics deserve better leadership.


34 posted on 10/01/2010 9:52:54 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: ArrogantBustard

Shakespeare was a Catholic. That´d be good enough for if I were one too.


35 posted on 10/01/2010 9:54:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: agere_contra

LOL. Cdl Baloney is so full of hisself.


36 posted on 10/01/2010 9:56:11 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: baldisbeautiful

Here is some data for you -

Nationwide, 54 percent of Catholics supported Obama and 44 percent voted for McCain. Of the total population, 52 percent voted for Obama and 46 percent for McCain.

Stalwart anti-abortion forces.

Not leftist at all - just managed to vote MORE for Obama than the average.

Got data?


37 posted on 10/01/2010 9:57:47 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: Antioch

38 posted on 10/01/2010 10:01:00 AM PDT by fml
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To: onedoug
Shakespeare was a Catholic.

I'm not sure I'd say that with 100% certainty, but the arguments in favour of that assertion are persuasive.

39 posted on 10/01/2010 10:07:58 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Eldon Tyrell
Catholics deserve better leadership.

Finally, you got something right. Congratulations.

40 posted on 10/01/2010 10:08:47 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Antioch

I bet people in that diocese are counting the minutes to Archbishop Gomez.


41 posted on 10/01/2010 10:12:33 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; onedoug
I'm not sure I'd say that with 100% certainty, but the arguments in favour of that assertion are persuasive.

I think it could go either way, what is certain is that Shakespeare did not embrace the anti-Catholicism that was commonplace in Elizabethan England.

42 posted on 10/01/2010 10:15:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Eldon Tyrell
Then you claim a Cardinal “does not speak for the church”. Good one.

It is a good one. He speaks for his diocese -- while he exhibits some of the vulnerabilities of the way people are put into the episcopate in the Catholic Church.

And, while it CAN get murky, it is no less reasonable to say a hospital is in favor of disease because one of the chief physicians gets cancer that it is to say the official teaching of the Church is thus and such because a Cardinal makes a ferociously awful judgment on ecology and economics.

And there's a little trap concealed in the criticism of pro-abortion and pro Obama Catholics. If the Church started making credal standards of these issues -- if, for example, one could not serve on a parish committee without signing a kind of oath stating opposition to abortion or progressivism, the very same people who climb all over us for pinko Catholics would be nattering about Inquisitions.

There are no particular guts involved in saying that a lot of Catholics are dopes and confused, and that this includes clergy. A few miles from my parish the pastor said to a class at the Catholic school that he didn't see how anyone could be a Catholic and serve in the armed forces!

So the next week, one of our Dominicans, who was a Navy chaplain for 20 years and retired with the rank of commander, wore his uniform when he went up to the school on some business or other! Gotta love it.

43 posted on 10/01/2010 10:24:30 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: wagglebee

Are you sure that we’re not still living in the Dark Ages? I wonder sometimes.


44 posted on 10/01/2010 11:11:44 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Yeah, I’m sure, though it does get difficult to sift through the garbage of the comic book crowd.


45 posted on 10/01/2010 11:20:59 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Eldon Tyrell

Can’t argue with the number who voted for 0bama. However, I would argue that most of those who voted for zero are CINOs. A full 45% of Catholics do not believe or understand the Church’s teaching on the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. This is the source and summit of our faith and they don’t get it. If they don’t get it on something this important to their faith, it is likely they are missing the Church’s teaching on many other issues also.

These are the people who have succumbed to secular humanism and moral relativism, who think like pelosi and other CINOs.


46 posted on 10/01/2010 11:28:25 AM PDT by baldisbeautiful (Goodbye America!)
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To: wagglebee

Bible: Revelation 17


47 posted on 10/01/2010 11:49:14 AM PDT by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth; ArrogantBustard; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; ...
Bible: Revelation 17

Really? This is where you "learned" that the Catholic Church killed the first Christian martyrs? Please explain how the Catholic Church facilitated the martyrdom of Saint Stephen in Acts 7 (this should be real interesting considering that anti-Catholic lore is largely predicated upon the absurd notion that the Catholic Church didn't exist prior to the Council of Nicea in 325),

Any comment on anything else I wrote, or did you not understand it (I apologize for my unwillingness to write at a level that the comic book educated will comprehend).

I'll see if I can make it simpler, what language SHOULD Saint Jerome have translated the Bible into? You need to not only be specific, you need to be prepared to demonstrate that this language ACTUALLY EXISTED in the late 4th century and that it WAS DEVELOPED ENOUGH to allow for an accurate translation. You may not know this, but the reason that there were no real attempts to translate the Bible into other languages prior to the 14th century is because there weren't any languages that were developed enough. The Church rejected Wycliffe's translation for one reason and one reason only, it was horribly deficient at parts -- however, this was not Wycliffe's fault, it is because the English language didn't have enough words.

48 posted on 10/01/2010 12:11:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: bibletruth

The Whore of Babylon

In another tract, Hunting the Whore of Babylon, we looked at nine arguments given by fundamentalist Dave Hunt for his claim that the Catholic Church is the Whore of Babylon from Revelation 17–18. His arguments are typical of those used by fundamentalist anti-Catholics and are easily proven wrong. (See that tract for details).

But we can go beyond a mere critique of the shallow anti-Catholic arguments like Hunt’s. There is irrefutable evidence in Revelation 17–18 (the chapters Fundamentalists love to quote against the Catholic Church) that proves that it is impossible for the Catholic Church to be the Whore.

A Vision in the Wilderness

When John introduces the Whore in Revelation 17, he tells us: “Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, ‘Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and with the wine of whose fornication the dwellers on earth have become drunk.’ And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of b.asphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication; and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: ‘Babylon the great, mother of harlots and of earth’s abominations.’ And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly” (Rev. 17:1–6).

This passage tells us several things about the Whore: (1) She is an international power, since she “sits on many waters,” representing different peoples (17:15), and she has committed fornication with “the kings of the earth,” and she has inflamed “the dwellers on earth” with her fornication. (2) She is connected with the seven-headed Beast from Revelation 13:1–10. That Beast was a major pagan empire, since its symbolism combined animal elements from four other major pagan empires (compare Rev. 13:1–2 with Dan. 7:1–8). (3) The Woman is connected with royalty, since she is dressed in the royal color purple. (4) The Woman is rich, for she is “bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup.” (5) She has committed some kind of fornication, which in Scripture is often a symbol of false religion—lack of fidelity to the God who created heaven and earth. (6) She is symbolically known as Babylon. (7) She is a central cause of “abominations” in the land, abominations being a reference to practices, especially religious practices, that are offensive to God. And (8) she persecutes Christians “the saints and . . . martyrs of Jesus.”

While the rest of her description could refer to a number of things, the symbolic designation “Babylon” narrows it down to two: pagan Rome and apostate Jerusalem. It is well known that the early Church Fathers referred to pagan Rome as “Babylon”; however, there are also indications in Revelation that the Whore might be apostate Jerusalem. Historically, a number of commentators, both Protestant and Catholic, have adopted this interpretation.

The Seven Heads

Continuing in Revelation, the angel begins to explain to John the woman’s symbolism: “This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he comes he must remain only a little while” (Rev. 17:9–10).

Fundamentalists argue that these seven mountains must be the seven hills of ancient Rome. However the Greek word here, horos, is almost always translated “mountain” in Scripture. Mountains are often symbols of kingdoms in Scripture (cf. Ps. 68:15; Dan. 2:35; Obad. 8–21; Amos 4:1, 6:1), which might be why the seven heads also symbolize seven kings. The mountains could stand for a series of seven kings, five of whom have already fallen.

This passage gives us a key rule of Bible interpretation which is often denied by Fundamentalists: A symbol does not have to refer to one and only one thing. Here Scripture itself tells us that the heads refer both to seven mountains and seven kings, meaning the symbol has multiple fulfillments. Thus there is not a one-to-one correspondence in the Bible between symbols and their referents.

Also, the mountains could be a reference to pagan Rome, yet the Whore could still be a reference to apostate Jerusalem. In this case, her sitting on the Beast would not indicate a geographical location but an alliance between the two powers. The Whore (Jerusalem) would be allied with the Beast (Rome) in persecuting “the saints and . . . martyrs of Jesus.” (Note that the Whore also sits on many waters, which we are told are many peoples, [cf. 17:15]. The context makes it clear that here her “sitting” on something does not refer to a geographical location.)

This passage gives us one reason why the Catholic Church cannot be the Whore. We are told that the heads “are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come.” If five of these kings had fallen in John’s day and one of them was still in existence, then the Whore must have existed in John’s day. Yet Christian Rome and Vatican City did not. However, pagan Rome did have a line of emperors, and the majority of commentators see this as the line of kings to which 17:10 refers. Five of these emperors are referred to as having already fallen, one as still reigning in John’s time, and another yet to come. Since Jerusalem had no such line of kings in the first century, this gives us evidence that the Beast (though not the Whore) is Rome.

The Ten Horns

The angel also interprets for John the meaning of the Beast’s ten horns: “And the ten horns that you saw are ten kings who have not yet received royal power, but they are to receive authority as kings for one hour, together with the beast. These are of one mind and give over their power and authority to the beast; they will make war on the Lamb, and the Lamb will conquer them, for he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those with him are called and chosen and faithful” (17:12–14).

This shows us that the Beast is allied with ten lower rulers and with their own territories. Some Fundamentalists bent on making this apply to modern times and the Catholic Church have argued that the horns refer to the European Community (EC) and a revived Roman empire with the Catholic Church at its head. The problem is that there are ten kings, but there are now many more than ten nations in the EC.

However, what we are told about the horns does fit one of the other candidates we have for the Whore—apostate Jerusalem. The angel tells John: “And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and giving over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled” (17:16–17).

If the Whore is Jerusalem and the Beast is Rome (with the ten horns as vassal states), then the prophecy makes perfect sense. The alliance between the two in persecuting Christians broke down in A.D. 66–70, when Rome and its allied forces conquered Israel and then destroyed, sacked, and burned Jerusalem, just as Jesus prophesied (Luke 21:5–24).

The Whore’s Authority

Finally the angel tells John: “And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth” (17:18). This again points to pagan Rome or apostate Jerusalem. In the case of the former, the dominion would be political; in the case of the latter, it could be a number of things. It could be spiritual dominion in that Jerusalem held the religion of the true God. It could be a reference to the manipulation by certain Jews and Jewish leaders of gentiles into persecuting Christians.

It could even be political, since Jerusalem was the center of political power in Canaan and, under the authority of the Romans, it ruled a considerable amount of territory and less powerful peoples. On this thesis “the kings of the earth” would be “the kings of the land” (the Greek phrase can be translated either way). Such local rulers of the land of Canaan would naturally resent Jerusalem and wish to cooperate with the Romans in its destruction—just as history records they did. Local non-Jewish peoples were used by the Romans in the capture of Jerusalem.

The hub of world commerce

Continuing in chapter 18, John sees the destruction of the Whore, and a number of facts are revealed which also show that she cannot be the Catholic Church. For one, she is depicted as a major center of international trade and commerce. When it is destroyed in chapter 18, we read that “the merchants of the earth [or land] weep and mourn for her, since no one buys their cargo any more” (18:11) and “all shipmasters and seafaring men, sailors and all whose trade is on the sea . . . wept and mourned, crying out, ‘Alas, alas, for the great city, where all who had ships at sea grew rich by her wealth!’” (18:17–19).

Pagan Rome was indeed the hub of world commerce in its day, supported by its maritime trading empire around the Mediterranean, but Christian Rome is not the hub of world commerce. After the Reformation, the economic center of power was located in Germany, Holland, England, and more recently, in the United States and Japan.

Persecuting apostles and prophets

When the Whore falls we read, “‘Rejoice over her, O heaven! Rejoice, saints and apostles and prophets! God has judged her for the way she treated you’. . . . In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints, and of all who have been killed on the earth” (18:20, 24). This shows that the Whore persecuted not just Christians, but apostles and prophets. Apostles existed only in the first century, since one of the requirements for being an apostle was seeing the risen Christ (1 Cor. 9:1). Prophets existed as a group only in the Old Testament and in the first century (Acts 11:27–28, 13:1, 15:32, 21:10).

Since the Whore persecuted apostles and prophets, the Whore must have existed in the first century. This totally demolishes the claim that Christian Rome or Vatican City is the Whore. Rome was not a Christian city at that time, and Vatican City did not even exist, so neither of them could be the Whore. Furthermore, Fundamentalists continually (though wrongly) claim that Catholicism itself did not exist in the first century, meaning that based on their very own argument Catholicism could not be the Whore!

Fundamentalists are fond of conjecturing that in the last days there will be a “revived Roman empire,” such as the one that persecuted Christians in the first century. Yet they never draw the inference that this empire would be headed by a revived pagan Rome, with the bishop of Rome leading the Christian underground, just as he did in the first century.

Still, Revelation 18:20 and 18:24 prove that the Whore had to be a creature of the first century, which, in the Fundamentalist view, the Catholic Church was not. Thus, on their own view, their identification of the Catholic Church with the Whore is completely impossible! Only ancient, pagan Rome or apostate Jerusalem could possibly be the Whore.

If Not the Whore, the Bride

The fact that the Catholic Church is singled out by Fundamentalists as the Whore reveals that they intuit the fact it has an important role in God’s plan. No other church gets accused of being the Whore—only the Catholic Church. And it is understandable why: The Catholic Church is the largest Christian body, larger than all other Christian bodies put together, suggesting a prominent place in God’s plan. Fundamentalists assume, without objectively looking at the evidence, that the Catholic Church cannot be the Bride of Christ, so it must be the Whore of Babylon.

Yet the evidence for its true role is plain. The First Vatican Council taught that “the Church itself . . . because of its marvelous propagation, its exceptional holiness, and inexhaustible fruitfulness in all good works; because of its Catholic unity and invincible stability, is a very great and perpetual motive of credibility and an incontestable witness of its own divine mission” (On the Catholic Faith 3).

So why is the Bride maligned as the Whore? Jesus himself answered the question: “If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign those of his household” (Matt. 10:25). “If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world . . . the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you, ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you” (John 15:18–20).


49 posted on 10/01/2010 12:31:59 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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50 posted on 10/01/2010 12:33:02 PM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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