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OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVENíS PEACE PLAN (Say the Rosary) [Ecumenical]
EWTN.com ^ | October 2001 Soul Magazine | Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director

Posted on 10/07/2010 5:51:01 PM PDT by Salvation

OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN    
Fr Ladis J. Cizik, Blue Army National Executive Director

Islam

Islam is an Arabic word that can be defined as "to make peace." Islam is the religion founded by Mohammed, which considers the Koran as its holy book. In addition, Islam accepts the New Testament of the Christians and the Old Testament of the Jews as Divinely inspired works. Followers of Islam are known as Muslims (also: Moors, Turks, and Moslems) and, just as Jews and Christians, believe in only one God. Yet, over the centuries, Muslims have engaged in tremendous wars with Christians and Jews. It would seem that there is little hope for peace. However, Heaven's Peace Plan, involving Our Lady, is evidenced at Fatima, Portugal as well as other places around the world.

Fatima

The Moors once occupied Portugal. The village of Fatima was given the Islamic name of the well-loved Princess of the nearby Castle of Ourem. She died at an early age after marrying the Count of Ourem and converting to Catholicism. Baptized with the Christian name of Oureana, she was named at birth "Fatima," like many other Moslem girls, in honor of the daughter of Mohammed. Of his daughter, Fatima, the founder of Islam, Mohammed, said: "She has the highest place in heaven after the Virgin Mary."

It is a fact that Moslems from various nations, especially from the Middle East, make so many pilgrimages to Our Lady of Fatima's Shrine in Portugal that Portuguese officials have expressed concern. The combination of an Islamic name and Islamic devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary is a great attraction to Moslems. God is writing straight with crooked lines, as we will see. Fatima is a part of Heaven's Peace Plan. It is hope for the world.

The Koran

In the Koran, the holy name of the Blessed Virgin Mary is mentioned no less than thirty times. No other woman's name is even mentioned, not even that of Mohammed's daughter, Fatima. Among men, only Abraham, Moses, and Noah are mentioned more times than Our Lady. In the Koran, Our Blessed Mother is described as "Virgin, ever Virgin." The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!

The Holy Land

The Holy Land has been a real battleground between the Islamic peoples and Christianity over the centuries. Evidence of this are the numerous churches and basilicas that have been built by the Church, destroyed by, the Moslems, rebuilt by Catholic Crusaders, leveled again by the followers of Islam, and so on over the course of history. However, there is one remarkable exception: the Basilica of Saint Anne in Jerusalem.

The Crusaders built this church and named it in honor of the mother of the Blessed Virgin Mary. In the Crypt of St. Anne's Basilica, a statue of the Infant Mary is venerated on what is believed to be the exact spot where Our Lady was born. Their great reverence for Our Lady precluded the Moslems from destroying her birthplace. The foundation for Heaven's Peace Plan at Fatima, Portugal, can be found in the Land of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Spain

As the Moslems swept through Spain in the 8th century, a great religious treasure was buried for safe-keeping in the earth, high in the Estremadura Mountains. It was a much venerated statue of Our Lady holding the Divine Child Jesus that was a gift of Pope Gregory the Great to Bishop Leander of Seville. After the overthrow of Moorish occupation, the image was uncovered in the year 1326, subsequent to a vision of Our Lady to a humble shepherd by the name of Gil. Our Lady's very special statue was enshrined in a nearby Franciscan Monastery next to the "Wolf River."

The Moslems, during their Spanish occupation, had actually named the river. The Islamic term for Wolf River is "Guadalupe" (Guada = River; Lupe = Wolf). Hence, the famous Catholic image in Spain has been known, since the 14th century, by the Islamic name of "Our Lady of Guadalupe."

Mexico

In the fullness of time, we can be sure that Almighty God knew that the Islamic religion would pose a serious threat to Christianity. God also knew that the Spanish missionaries would face grave resistance in the "new world" from the mighty Aztec Indians. The Aztecs worshipped an evil stone "serpent god" that demanded human sacrifice. It was extremely difficult to win souls for Christ from these bloodthirsty savages. However, with God all things are possible. Our Lady appeared to a humble Aztec Indian convert by the name of Juan Diego in 1531. When asked her name by Juan Diego, at the request of the local bishop, Our Lady's response, in the Aztec language, included the words "te coatlaxopeuh" (pronounced: "te quatlasupe") and meant "one who crushes the head of the stone serpent."

To Juan Diego and his fellow Aztecs, this revelation had great meaning, coupled with the miraculous image of Our Lady standing on top of a "crescent," the symbol of this evil serpent god. A tidal wave of conversions to Catholicism ensued. However, Bishop Zumarraga, who was from Spain, made what was no doubt a "heavenly mistake" that one day may lead to the mass conversion of Moslems. To the Bishop's Spanish ears, Our Lady's Aztec name of "Te Quatlasupe" sounded just like the name of the revered Madonna from Spain with the Islamic name, "Guadalupe." Hence, the bishop named the Mexican Madonna "Our Lady of Guadalupe." It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.

Battle of Lepanto

On October 7, 1571, a great victory over the mighty Turkish fleet was won by Catholic naval forces primarily from Spain, Venice, and Genoa under the command of Don Juan of Austria. It was the last battle at sea between "oared" ships, which featured the most powerful navy in the world, a Moslem force with between 12,000 to 15,000 Christian slaves as rowers. The patchwork team of Catholic ships was powered by the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Knowing that the Christian forces were at a distinct material disadvantage, the holy pontiff, St. Pope Pius V called for all of Europe to pray the Rosary for victory. We know today that the victory was decisive, prevented the Islamic invasion of Europe, and evidenced the Hand of God working through Our Lady. At the hour of victory, St. Pope Pius V, who was hundreds of miles away at the Vatican, is said to have gotten up from a meeting, went over to a window, and exclaimed with supernatural radiance: "The Christian fleet is victorious!" and shed tears of thanksgiving to God.

What you may not know is that one of three admirals commanding the Catholic forces at Lepanto was Andrea Doria. He carried a small copy of Mexico's Our Lady of Guadalupe into battle. This image is now enshrined in the Church of San Stefano in Aveto, Italy. Not many know that at the Monastery of Our Lady of Guadalupe in Spain, one can view a huge warship lantern that was captured from the Moslems in the Battle of Lepanto. In Rome, look up to the ceiling of S. Maria in Aracoeli and behold decorations in gold taken from the Turkish galleys. In the Doges' Palace in Venice, Italy, one can witness a giant Islamic flag that is now a trophy from a vanquished Turkish ship from the Victory. At Saint Mary Major Basilica in Rome, close to the tomb of the great St. Pope Pius V, one was once able to view yet another Islamic flag from the Battle, until 1965, when it was returned to Istanbul in an intended friendly token of concord.

The Rosary

At Lepanto, the Victory over the Moslems was won by the faithful praying the Rosary. Even though they had superior numbers, the Turks really were overmatched. Blessed Padre Pio, the Spiritual Father of the Blue Army, said: "The Rosary is the weapon," and how right he was!

The Battle of Lepanto was at first celebrated liturgically as "Our Lady of Victory." Later, the feast of October 7th was renamed "Our Lady of the Rosary" and extended throughout the Universal Church by Pope Clement XI in 1716 (who canonized Pope Pius V in 1712).

And with that we are back to Fatima, Portugal where Our Lady, when asked her name, said: "I am the Lady of the Rosary." At Fatima, Our Lady taught us to pray the Rosary every day. Heaven presented its peace plan at Fatima and truly gave us hope for the world. Conversions were promised at Fatima: the conversion of sinners; the conversion of Russia; and what also appears to be the conversion of Islam. Our Lady of the Rosary, pray for us!

 

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Prayer; Theology
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This is an Ecumenical thread. Please follow the Religion Moderator's Guidelines for Ecumenical Threads
1 posted on 10/07/2010 5:51:07 PM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 10/07/2010 5:51:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: All
The village of Fatima was given the Islamic name of the well-loved Princess of the nearby Castle of Ourem. She died at an early age after marrying the Count of Ourem and converting to Catholicism. Baptized with the Christian name of Oureana, she was named at birth "Fatima," like many other Moslem girls, in honor of the daughter of Mohammed. Of his daughter, Fatima, the founder of Islam, Mohammed, said: "She has the highest place in heaven after the Virgin Mary."
On an highly emotional spiritual level there has been a great common-ground meeting place between Rome and Mecca in the town of Fatima in Portugal. To quote a Catholic news organization, "Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed." On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin....

....According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam." This television report has helped launch the growing waves of Muslim pilgrims who have been visiting this Christian site in Portugal in recent years.

Catholics, on the other hand, say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the three shepherd children. She told them to pray, especially encouraging the prayer of the Rosary. Lucía, the only surviving recipient of the vision, was entrusted with three "secrets," of which the third has never been made public. She recently assured that the third secret was never intended for general proclamation. Pope John Paul II has had a strong devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, especially since the failed assassination attempt of Ali Agca, which occurred precisely on May 13, 1991, the anniversary of the first vision at Fatima (May 13, 1917).
-- From the thread The Papacy and Islam

This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as "Our Lady of Fatima." Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.
-- Archbishop Fulton Sheen, in the book The World's First Love

On the Third Secret, "Fourth Secret(s)", and other visions of Fatima:
Is There Missing Text Of The Third Secret?
'The Fourth Secret of Fatima': Is Pope Benedict's life in danger?
Marian Visionary Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement (Catholic Caucus ONLY)
Coast-2-Coast AM 10.09.08 Nicholas Gruner -Fatima Secrets-
Fatima: Case Closed
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Bertone shows original Third Fatima Secret letter on TV
Fatima: The secret's out, despite claims to the contrary
“The Fourth Secret of Fatima”
Two Popes, Two Books -- and Two Major Insights into Famed Third Fatima Secret
The Third Secret of Fatima
Papal Assailant Calls on Vatican to Reveal All Parts of Fatima Secret
Questions ... Regarding The Third Secret of Fatima
Telling Secrets on the Vatican (re: "Third Secret" of Fatima)
Alleged Third Secret Handwriting ... (Fatima, Sister Lucia)
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
On the Lady of Fatima:
Our Lady of Fatima in the Light of History
The Papacy and Islam
Mary And The Moslems(The Virgin Mother Mary & Islam)
Area Catholics to celebrate 90th anniversary of Fatima
New movie about Our Lady of Fatima to be screened in major U.S. cities
Fatima: The new Movie… Deception a-go-go [the Fatima apparitions were really UFO manifestations]
On Catholics joining hands with Muslims:
Malaysia Catholics oppose non-'Allah' Bible
Catholic church in Cologne collects money for a mosque
A Catholic Church (in Venice Italy) Turns Into A Mosque (each Friday)
Muslims seek crisis management plan with Vatican
Pope meets with Muslim scholars, urges better ties
Vatican, Muslims prepare historic meeting with Pope
Muslim-Catholic pact to foster respect
Pope offers 'working meeting' with Muslims
Why Benedict XVI Is So Cautious with the Letter of the 138 Muslims
Muslims and Catholics release mission statement
Muslims, Catholics find common ground
Muslims Get "Prayer Room" at Catholic University
New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam
Catholics Ponder Muslim Coexistence
Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"(Hooray for the Pope!)
Archbshp Sheen's Prophetic warning of 50 years ago: Mary and the Moslems; The Significance of Fatima
OUR LADY AND ISLAM: HEAVEN’S PEACE PLAN

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

3 posted on 10/07/2010 5:59:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Salvation

I believe the more literal translation of “Islam” is “To Submit”.


4 posted on 10/07/2010 5:59:53 PM PDT by jdsteel (CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
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To: Salvation

They hate the Virgin Mary because she STANDS ON A CRESCENT MOON!

They know that they’re doomed through the power of a single WOMAN who’s message is simple..She WILL STAND ON islam.


5 posted on 10/07/2010 6:01:21 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Alex Murphy

**To quote a Catholic news organization, “Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed.” **

I don’t believe this.


6 posted on 10/07/2010 6:08:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: bayouranger

I agree with you. Some seem to be misled, however.


7 posted on 10/07/2010 6:10:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Alex Murphy; Religion Moderator
Just an update from the Religion Moderator's homepage:
 
Ecumenic threads are closed to antagonism.

To antagonize is to incur or to provoke hostility in others.

Unlike the “caucus” threads, the article and reply posts of an “ecumenic” thread can discuss more than one belief, but antagonism is not tolerable.

More leeway is granted to what is acceptable in the text of the article than to the reply posts. For example, the term “gross error” in an article will not prevent an ecumenical discussion, but a poster should not use that term in his reply because it is antagonistic. As another example, the article might be a passage from the Bible which would be antagonistic to Jews. The passage should be considered historical fact and a legitimate subject for an ecumenic discussion. The reply posts however must not be antagonistic.

Contrasting of beliefs or even criticisms can be made without provoking hostilities. But when in doubt, only post what you are “for” and not what you are “against.” Or ask questions.

Ecumenical threads will be moderated on a “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” basis. When hostility has broken out on an “ecumenic” thread, I’ll be looking for the source.

Therefore “anti” posters must not try to finesse the guidelines by asking loaded questions, using inflammatory taglines, gratuitous quote mining or trying to slip in an “anti” or “ex” article under the color of the “ecumenic” tag.

Posters who try to tear down other’s beliefs or use subterfuge to accomplish the same goal are the disrupters on ecumenic threads and will be booted from the thread and/or suspended.


8 posted on 10/07/2010 6:13:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Thank you for posting.

Bookmarked.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 6:15:01 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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To: BlueAngel

This thread is about how praying the Rosary saved Europe from the attack of the Turks.

Other people seem to have picked up other tidbits to post on, however.


10 posted on 10/07/2010 6:17:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

The Battle of Lepanto is going to be repeated again only this time on the ground.


11 posted on 10/07/2010 6:18:56 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Salvation
I don’t believe this.

Even after I documented it, back in 2007?

12 posted on 10/07/2010 6:20:30 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: DarthVader

I agree, and we all better learn how to say the Rosary!


13 posted on 10/07/2010 6:24:40 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; markomalley; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

If you aren’t on this ping list NOW and would like to be on it, please Freepmail me.

14 posted on 10/07/2010 6:31:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Let them find the way.


15 posted on 10/07/2010 6:35:41 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Salvation

I am mindful that this thread was posted on the anniversary of the Battle of Lepanto. Previously this day was marked in the Liturgical Calendar as the Feast of Our Lady of Victory - that appellation seems to have gone by the ways in the name of PC. My father was once a member of Our Lady of Victory Parish in Philadelphia, Pa., and I have specifically asked that Our Lady of Victory be invoked at my funeral Mass.


16 posted on 10/07/2010 6:41:11 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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To: Alex Murphy

There may have been some difficulty with your documentation. Can you re-post the link? I cannot make it work.


18 posted on 10/07/2010 6:44:07 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
There may have been some difficulty with your documentation. Can you re-post the link? I cannot make it work.

No difficulties. ZENIT changed their archival system sometime after 2007. See this link for instructions on how to access it again.

19 posted on 10/07/2010 7:00:38 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Bigg Red

Mark


20 posted on 10/07/2010 7:13:40 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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To: ConorMacNessa

**Our Lady of Victory be invoked at my funeral Mass.**

Wonderful invocation!


21 posted on 10/07/2010 7:15:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Judith Anne

Iranian sources on some of them. Go figure!


22 posted on 10/07/2010 7:16:54 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Other people seem to have picked up other tidbits to post on, however.

It's not hard to see why. Islam is out to destroy anyone that isn't in their cult. They do not recognize God and Jesus is just an ordinary man. Christianity has NOTHING in common with Islam. There was a reason Pope Benedict XIV chose the quote he did.

What is the point of posting a 9 year old article unless it is to incite more hostility?

23 posted on 10/07/2010 7:35:04 PM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: Jaded

**Islam is out to destroy anyone that isn’t in their cult. **

That’s the whole point. Say the Rosary without ceasing. It is our only hope.


24 posted on 10/07/2010 7:39:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jaded

There are certain situations of spiritual bondage and patterns of sin that, by a mysterious disposition of God’s providence, are broken only by perseverance in the humble prayer of the Rosary.


25 posted on 10/07/2010 7:53:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Rosary and “ecumenical”?


26 posted on 10/07/2010 8:01:40 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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To: Quix; Religion Moderator

DEAR RM,

I just noticed after posting #27 that this is an Ecumenical thread.

I don’t recall what the parameters are for that category.

If this post is amiss on such a thread, by all means, please, delete it and I’ll post it elsewhere.


28 posted on 10/08/2010 1:15:56 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix; Religion Moderator; Alex Murphy

Actually, rereading the Original Post,

I’m skeptical that the Ecumenical category is fitting.

There’s plenty of antagonistic assertions in the original post to disallow it, imho.

At least provocative to the max.


29 posted on 10/08/2010 1:54:27 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix

There is one line you might have a point on: “The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary.” But the guidelines seem to permit it.


30 posted on 10/08/2010 7:33:02 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Legatus; Religion Moderator

The RM’s opinion will be fine with me, either way.


31 posted on 10/08/2010 7:39:15 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alex Murphy; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Captain Beyond; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

Thanks, Alex.

Mind bogglingly incredible.

How can anyone, much less a vast INSTITUTION FULL of people expect sane out-group folks to believe such unmitigated nonsense. Sometimes they sound as loopy and demonized as the Muslims.

Oh, right—OUT-GROUP means those not in the INSTITUTION & thereby not in the IN-GROUP are beyond the pale in RC’s eyes.

I’ll take my chances with JESUS AND THE TRUTH out here any day.


32 posted on 10/08/2010 8:25:51 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Quix
Antagonism is not allowed on Religion Forum threads labeled "ecumenical." Words and images that provoke hostility in others are considered antagonistic.

Your post 27 was removed as antagonistic.

33 posted on 10/08/2010 8:35:15 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Sorry for the bother and my not noting the category of the thread before responding.

Thx.


34 posted on 10/08/2010 9:19:45 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Salvation
Very interesting! But we can not compromise our own faith. I have read this hope of conversion thru Fatima. Then read totally preposterous assumptions.

This could also be part of the great delusion. Just let God do it. If that is what God wants it will be full conversion in Jesus who became Man from Divinity. Which will be proclaimed by true believers( 1 John 4). Not wishful thinking.

Remember in the book of Revelation believers are martyred by beheadings. Only Muslim countries still do this awful practice. It fits for the end time prophecies. Beware! Heaven help us!

35 posted on 10/08/2010 9:48:15 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Please note post 33 above. Thank you.


37 posted on 10/08/2010 10:13:07 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Salvation
Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!

It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.

While America doesn't have a shrine to the lady of Guadalupe, certain American religions may have a shrine...

And while this lady may be a religious bond that exists between the Catholic religion and the muzlim religion, Jesus Christ is the bond between Christians and muzlims...

Many muzlims thru out the world have and do come to Jesus Christ and become Christians, forsaking the muzlim religion, the Koran and any notion that the fatima story has any validity at all...Praise God...

38 posted on 10/08/2010 12:03:00 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Alex Murphy
The post you just linked to links to a post quoting the actual article from Zenit. The Zenit article cites Iranian TV as saying that Our Lady of Fatima is Mad Mo's daughter.

That's not a Catholic news agency saying it, that's a Catholic news agency pointing out that a bunch of Shia Muslim moonbats said it.

Please make a note of it, so you don't make this ridiculous mistake again.

39 posted on 10/08/2010 4:48:25 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Alex Murphy
ISLAM CO-OPTING FATIMA
Iranian TV: Our Lady of Fatima is Really Fatima, Daughter of the Prophet Mohammed

VATICAN CITY, MAY 13 (ZENIT) - On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin.

Growing Muslim interest in the holy site is sparked by the Portuguese town's name: Fatima, which is Arabic. Portugal and Spain were both once under Islamic rule, and are the only such countries to ever break free from such a government.

According to historical accounts, in 1156 a battle was fought between Christian and Muslim forces in the locality. A Christian knight saved a young girl named Fatma (Fatima) from the dangers of the pitched battle. Later she converted to Christianity and married the knight, only to die shortly afterwards. In grief, the knight became a monk and the town was renamed Fatima in her honor.

According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam." This television report has helped launch the growing waves of Muslim pilgrims who have been visiting this Christian site in Portugal in recent years.

Catholics, on the other hand, say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the three shepherd children. She told them to pray, especially encouraging the prayer of the Rosary. Lucía, the only surviving recipient of the vision, was entrusted with three "secrets," of which the third has never been made public. She recently assured that the third secret was never intended for general proclamation. Pope John Paul II has had a strong devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, especially since the failed assassination attempt of Ali Agca, which occurred precisely on May 13, 1991, the anniversary of the first vision at Fatima (May 13, 1917). ZA980513-3

This would seem to be pretty straightforward, especially since it says quite clearly what Catholics believe. Claiming without qualification that a Catholic news agency says O.L. of Fatima is Mad Mo's daughter is a bit like claiming that the Bible says, "There is no God".
40 posted on 10/08/2010 4:57:10 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
The post you just linked to links to a post quoting the actual article from Zenit. The Zenit article cites Iranian TV as saying that Our Lady of Fatima is Mad Mo's daughter. That's not a Catholic news agency saying it, that's a Catholic news agency pointing out that a bunch of Shia Muslim moonbats said it.

Please make a note of it, so you don't make this ridiculous mistake again.

No mistake was made. As proven, the article cites a verbatim headline given by ZENIT to the "Iranian TV" story. I do not know if my May 2007 conclusion will satisfy you, but you can read it nonetheless.

41 posted on 10/08/2010 5:03:43 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Quix
Mind bogglingly incredible.

In the literal sense, yes. Incredible, meaning unbelievable, because not true.

Sometimes they sound as loopy and demonized as the Muslims.

Well, in fact, they are Muslims. Not Catholics. See the previous post.

42 posted on 10/08/2010 5:05:09 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Alex Murphy
No mistake was made.

Yes, I'm forced to agree. The Berean Beacon, or whatever it's called, was engaging in a deliberate act of deception and slander.

43 posted on 10/08/2010 5:09:42 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Thx.


44 posted on 10/08/2010 5:54:40 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Alex Murphy

No mistake was made. As proven, the article cites a verbatim headline given by ZENIT to the “Iranian TV” story. I do not know if my May 2007 conclusion will satisfy you, but you can read it nonetheless.


Some seem not to want to be confused nor enlightened with facts.


45 posted on 10/08/2010 5:56:13 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Salvation

Wow. I never realized there were so many rules on this thread.

I guess I should just read.


46 posted on 10/13/2010 1:19:42 AM PDT by Just Lori (Make the most of every day. You never know when it may be your last.)
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To: Salvation

Is there an official prayer to our Lady of Fatima for the conversion of Muslims?


47 posted on 10/01/2013 9:08:48 AM PDT by diamond6 (Behold this Heart which has so loved men!" Jesus to St. Margaret Mary)
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