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1 posted on 10/07/2010 5:51:07 PM PDT by Salvation
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2 posted on 10/07/2010 5:51:52 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The village of Fatima was given the Islamic name of the well-loved Princess of the nearby Castle of Ourem. She died at an early age after marrying the Count of Ourem and converting to Catholicism. Baptized with the Christian name of Oureana, she was named at birth "Fatima," like many other Moslem girls, in honor of the daughter of Mohammed. Of his daughter, Fatima, the founder of Islam, Mohammed, said: "She has the highest place in heaven after the Virgin Mary."
On an highly emotional spiritual level there has been a great common-ground meeting place between Rome and Mecca in the town of Fatima in Portugal. To quote a Catholic news organization, "Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed." On October 23, 1995, Iranian television began running stories that the apparitions in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 were religious phenomena of Muslim origin....

....According to Iranian Television, the woman who appeared to the three shepherd children in 1917 was not the Virgin Mary, mother of Jesus, but Fatima, the daughter of the prophet Mohammed, founder of Islam. Her message was reported to be "I am Fatima, daughter of the Prophet of Islam." This television report has helped launch the growing waves of Muslim pilgrims who have been visiting this Christian site in Portugal in recent years.

Catholics, on the other hand, say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to the three shepherd children. She told them to pray, especially encouraging the prayer of the Rosary. Lucía, the only surviving recipient of the vision, was entrusted with three "secrets," of which the third has never been made public. She recently assured that the third secret was never intended for general proclamation. Pope John Paul II has had a strong devotion to Our Lady of Fatima, especially since the failed assassination attempt of Ali Agca, which occurred precisely on May 13, 1991, the anniversary of the first vision at Fatima (May 13, 1917).
-- From the thread The Papacy and Islam

This brings us to our second point: namely, why the Blessed Mother, in the 20th century should have revealed herself in the significant little village of Fatima, so that to all future generations she would be known as "Our Lady of Fatima." Since nothing ever happens out of Heaven except with a finesse of all details, I believe that the Blessed Virgin chose to be known as "Our Lady of Fatima" as a pledge and a sign of hope to the Moslem people, and as an assurance that they, who show her so much respect, will one day accept her divine Son too.

Evidence to support these views is found in the historical fact that the Moslems occupied Portugal for centuries. At the time when they were finally driven out, the last Moslem chief had a beautiful daughter by the name of Fatima. A Catholic boy fell in love with her, and for him she not only stayed behind when the Moslems left, but even embraced the Faith. The young husband was so much in love with her that he changed the name of the town where he lived to Fatima. Thus, the very place where our Lady appeared in 1917 bears a historical connection to Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed.
-- Archbishop Fulton Sheen, in the book The World's First Love

On the Third Secret, "Fourth Secret(s)", and other visions of Fatima:
Is There Missing Text Of The Third Secret?
'The Fourth Secret of Fatima': Is Pope Benedict's life in danger?
Marian Visionary Warns 2010 Start of Fatima Chastisement (Catholic Caucus ONLY)
Coast-2-Coast AM 10.09.08 Nicholas Gruner -Fatima Secrets-
Fatima: Case Closed
Sister Lucia's Last Moments
Bertone shows original Third Fatima Secret letter on TV
Fatima: The secret's out, despite claims to the contrary
“The Fourth Secret of Fatima”
Two Popes, Two Books -- and Two Major Insights into Famed Third Fatima Secret
The Third Secret of Fatima
Papal Assailant Calls on Vatican to Reveal All Parts of Fatima Secret
Questions ... Regarding The Third Secret of Fatima
Telling Secrets on the Vatican (re: "Third Secret" of Fatima)
Alleged Third Secret Handwriting ... (Fatima, Sister Lucia)
"No More Secrets," Visionary Said in 2001 (Sr. Lucia Confirmed Russia Consecrated to Mary)
On the Lady of Fatima:
Our Lady of Fatima in the Light of History
The Papacy and Islam
Mary And The Moslems(The Virgin Mother Mary & Islam)
Area Catholics to celebrate 90th anniversary of Fatima
New movie about Our Lady of Fatima to be screened in major U.S. cities
Fatima: The new Movie… Deception a-go-go [the Fatima apparitions were really UFO manifestations]
On Catholics joining hands with Muslims:
Malaysia Catholics oppose non-'Allah' Bible
Catholic church in Cologne collects money for a mosque
A Catholic Church (in Venice Italy) Turns Into A Mosque (each Friday)
Muslims seek crisis management plan with Vatican
Pope meets with Muslim scholars, urges better ties
Vatican, Muslims prepare historic meeting with Pope
Muslim-Catholic pact to foster respect
Pope offers 'working meeting' with Muslims
Why Benedict XVI Is So Cautious with the Letter of the 138 Muslims
Muslims and Catholics release mission statement
Muslims, Catholics find common ground
Muslims Get "Prayer Room" at Catholic University
New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam
Catholics Ponder Muslim Coexistence
Pope Invites Muslims to Dialogue, Slams "Holy Wars"(Hooray for the Pope!)
Archbshp Sheen's Prophetic warning of 50 years ago: Mary and the Moslems; The Significance of Fatima

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

3 posted on 10/07/2010 5:59:21 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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Thank you for posting.


9 posted on 10/07/2010 6:15:01 PM PDT by BlueAngel
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The Battle of Lepanto is going to be repeated again only this time on the ground.

11 posted on 10/07/2010 6:18:56 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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I am mindful that this thread was posted on the anniversary of the Battle of Lepanto. Previously this day was marked in the Liturgical Calendar as the Feast of Our Lady of Victory - that appellation seems to have gone by the ways in the name of PC. My father was once a member of Our Lady of Victory Parish in Philadelphia, Pa., and I have specifically asked that Our Lady of Victory be invoked at my funeral Mass.

16 posted on 10/07/2010 6:41:11 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines, RVN '69 - St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle!)
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20 posted on 10/07/2010 7:13:40 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin/Hunter 2012 -- Bolton their Secretary of State)
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Rosary and “ecumenical”?

26 posted on 10/07/2010 8:01:40 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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Very interesting! But we can not compromise our own faith. I have read this hope of conversion thru Fatima. Then read totally preposterous assumptions.

This could also be part of the great delusion. Just let God do it. If that is what God wants it will be full conversion in Jesus who became Man from Divinity. Which will be proclaimed by true believers( 1 John 4). Not wishful thinking.

Remember in the book of Revelation believers are martyred by beheadings. Only Muslim countries still do this awful practice. It fits for the end time prophecies. Beware! Heaven help us!

35 posted on 10/08/2010 9:48:15 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!

It is interesting that the "crescent" is also the symbol for Islam and that America's Shrine to Our Lady has an Islamic name.

While America doesn't have a shrine to the lady of Guadalupe, certain American religions may have a shrine...

And while this lady may be a religious bond that exists between the Catholic religion and the muzlim religion, Jesus Christ is the bond between Christians and muzlims...

Many muzlims thru out the world have and do come to Jesus Christ and become Christians, forsaking the muzlim religion, the Koran and any notion that the fatima story has any validity at all...Praise God...

38 posted on 10/08/2010 12:03:00 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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Wow. I never realized there were so many rules on this thread.

I guess I should just read.

46 posted on 10/13/2010 1:19:42 AM PDT by Just Lori (Make the most of every day. You never know when it may be your last.)
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