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Why the religious right has a permanent political edge over secular America [one atheist's view]
The Washington Post ^ | October 10, 2010 | Susan Jacoby

Posted on 10/12/2010 1:06:54 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

If you believe any of the hogwash about the irrelevance of the religious right to this election, take a look at the numerous right-wing evangelical websites promoting the 40/40 Prayer Vigil, which began in September with a prayer for Christian voter registration and ends--you guessed it--just before election day, Nov. 2. The 40/40 stands for the forty days and forty nights that Jesus supposedly spent wandering in the desert before finally saying no to Satan's temptations. I'm sure that you won't have any trouble figuring out which political party the Southern Baptist Convention--America's largest religious denomination and one of the many evangelical groups sponsoring pre-election prayer vigils--hopes will inspire its voters to just say no to the satanic works of government. It's perfectly legal; after all; none of these sites actually say that the purpose of these prayer fest/voter registration drives is to support Tea Party and Republican candidates who share the religious rights views on cultural issues.

But just look at the iVoteValues packet that appears on the websites of many Southern Baptist churches and state affiliates. Each church is advised to organize an iVoteValues team responsible for:

* Planning, advertising and conducting non-partisan voter registration and get-out-the-vote drives.

* Educating the congregation regarding biblical teaching on civil government, the responsibility for culture engagement, and the importance of being informed by biblical principles when considering current issues, candidates' positions, etc.

* Mobilizing members of the congregation to vote their values.

(Excerpt) Read more at onfaith.washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics; Skeptics/Seekers
KEYWORDS: 2010electionbias; antitheism; atheism; atheismandstate; atheists; atheistsupremacist; christophobia; culturewar; godgap; intellectualoids; intellectuals; ivotevalues; religiousintolerance; religiousleft; susanjacoby; thenogodgod
No secular organization is capable of mounting anything like an organized, church-funded campaign to recruit new voters. Churches reach deep into the daily lives of their most devout members in a way that no secular group can (or, for that matter, would want to do). Secular humanism and atheism are not religions, and no one goes to the First Church of Atheism to find out what Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens has to say about how to "vote our values." The whole idea of registering voters, while engaging in some ritual reflection for forty days before an election, would be laughable to most secularists.
1 posted on 10/12/2010 1:06:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom...the permanent political edge over secular America.


2 posted on 10/12/2010 1:09:35 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ( Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness)
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To: Alex Murphy

The writer of this piece is un-American. How dare she criticize those of us who are religious for using our private resources to engage in our God-given rights.


3 posted on 10/12/2010 1:11:17 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Alex Murphy
The whole idea of registering voters, while engaging in some ritual reflection for forty days before an election, would be laughable to most secularists.

What do they think ACORN is? It's the Church of Divine Caesar, "Give Me the Handout" branch.

4 posted on 10/12/2010 1:11:35 PM PDT by Tax-chick (You could be a monthly donor, too!)
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To: Alex Murphy

In short, “They do stuff we just don’t do.” Well, if it’s that important to you, figure out a secular justification for doing it, and then do it. Otherwise, don’t whine.


5 posted on 10/12/2010 1:12:15 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?)...Richard Frank DeCamp, 11/13/34-9/15/10, R.I.P.)
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To: Alex Murphy

It didn’t end for me. I’ve decided to try and make it a lifestyle. I may not always be successful but I will always try.


6 posted on 10/12/2010 1:12:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Alex Murphy

No secular organization is capable of mounting anything like an organized, church-funded campaign to recruit new voters.

They certainly have a right to speak freely, and they certainly have a right to do so. Whining is certainly power, because politicians listen. A person who wishes to whine about not having power often appears to be well capable of being organized, if they tried. Any secular organizations out there? I certainly recall an organization out there that protested an old “Ten Commandments” display.


7 posted on 10/12/2010 1:15:50 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Alex Murphy
"No secular organization is capable of mounting anything like an organized, church-funded campaign to recruit new voters"

Give me a break. The secular left only has at its disposal the media, all unions, thousands of NGOs, the public school system, government employee unions, the entire university system, untold government programs, lobbying groups and lots of outside money, (ie. Soros) and the entire Democrat party.

8 posted on 10/12/2010 1:16:15 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: Alex Murphy
no one goes to the First Church of Atheism to find out what Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens has to say about how to "vote our values."

Controlling until just recently, all television, all radio, all daily newspapers, all magazines, all waiting room magazines, all movies, all publishing, all schools and curriculum, all colleges, and everything else in the culture that wasn't inside the four walls of the churches on Sunday, seems like a pretty equal asset.

9 posted on 10/12/2010 1:16:51 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Alex Murphy
The whole idea of registering voters, while engaging in
some ritual reflection for forty days before an election,
would be laughable to most secularists.


Can you imagine what it would be like going to a secularist
joke-telling session, then?
10 posted on 10/12/2010 1:17:53 PM PDT by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Geez, the WAPO seems surprised that Christians don’t really feel the need to be transformed by the mesiah of Chicago. You know that WAPO, always on the cutting edge of MACACA. Maybe if the left had any touchstone other than envy they could represent themselves as consistent over time. The truth is they are children, with childish desires.


11 posted on 10/12/2010 1:18:36 PM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: stars & stripes forever

This is a bunch of balderdash. None of the liberal socialsits types ever complain about types of so-called religious leaders like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his political rhetoric which borders on hatred of anything sacred in this country.

I think it is hypocrasy similar to the ridiculous assertion that blacks cannot be racists. For some reason all the Democrats go into black churches every election cycle and promote their liberal agendas through brain washing a captive audience. But, that is never ever questioned by the media.


12 posted on 10/12/2010 1:20:35 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Alex Murphy

Sorry, Susan....we are commanded to pray - even for those in authority (NT) We are also advised to select from among ourselves righteous individuals. (OT)

Certainly we will continue to obey the Lord, regardless of your opinion....or even and edict from civil government to do so.


13 posted on 10/12/2010 1:24:11 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: pnh102
How dare she criticize those of us who are religious for using our private resources to engage in our God-given rights.

It's the Liberal way.

14 posted on 10/12/2010 1:24:19 PM PDT by wastedyears (Know this, I will return to this land... rebuild where the ruins did stand)
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To: stars & stripes forever

The Left loves to make the Religious Right a boogeyman but the sad fact is that the country has taken a huge leap in the secular, hedonistic direction over the past 50 years. If you were to go back to 1960 and tell the average moderate voter that abortion and gay marriage would be legal, show them the anti-Christian “art” that is displayed and legally protected, and how we bend over backwards for Islam, he would think you were crazy. Even Liberal Dems of 1960 would probably think you were crazy. This article is simply about the Left needing an enemy and has no connection with reality.


15 posted on 10/12/2010 1:24:33 PM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard
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To: Alex Murphy; wagglebee

The “god gap” as the Left called it in 2004 has proven to be a tough sell. They packaged Obama as a lifelong Christian so that he would sell well to black social conservatives who oppose homosexuality and abortion.

Rather than openly sell their agenda and beliefs, they hide behind a mirror and say “me too!” to different audiences, laughing about how the shuck and jive can pull the wool over the eyes of those in flyover country who still “cling to guns and religion”.

The followers of militant Islam cling to guns and religion and our pro-Islamist president says that it is “wrong” to antagonize them by burning a koran (but it’s okay to write more taxpayer checks for P*ss Ch*st photos).


16 posted on 10/12/2010 1:27:11 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
show them the anti-Christian “art” that is displayed and legally protected

and taxpayer subsidized at the same time as publicly displayed crosses and 10 Commandment sculptures are judged to be cast off of all government property...

17 posted on 10/12/2010 1:28:41 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Alex Murphy
What is so ingenious and insidious about all of this is that the tax-exempt churches manage to stay just this side of their Internal Revenue Service exemption by using that single word "nonpartisan."

Has she never looked at the "non-partisan" Rock The Vote agenda items and "voter research materials?

No, they have the "politically correct" positions on all of the issues.

18 posted on 10/12/2010 1:32:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Alex Murphy
Again, my point is not that any of this activity is illegal. African-American churches have conducted similar voter registration drives for years, and we know that African Americans generally vote Democratic.

Ignores the Democrat politicians who visit these same black congregations on the Sunday before election day to speak from the pulpit in violation of election law and IRS law...

By the way, I vote "democratically" for Republicans. This "Democratic" Party nomenclature is bunk. DINO socialists (Democrat in name only). Thomas Jefferson wouldn't recognize "The Party".

19 posted on 10/12/2010 1:34:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Alex Murphy
And the right benefits most, because it has the largest churchgoing constituency in this nation.... No secular organization is capable of mounting anything like an organized, church-funded campaign to recruit new voters.

Secular Humanism is a faith. It pushes the mantra that there is no god, that every man is himself his own god.

And it is insitutionalized in academia and the media and is NOT restricted by laws prohibiting an establishment of "State religion" even though it IS a theocratic view.

20 posted on 10/12/2010 1:36:09 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Alex Murphy
Secular humanism and atheism are not religions,

Socialists lie. Always.

21 posted on 10/12/2010 1:37:22 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Alex Murphy; wagglebee
Throughout the twentieth century, American intellectuals of many generations made the mistake of proclaiming that right-wing fundamentalist religion was on its deathbed... They said so in the late 1960s, when God was proclaimed dead. The intellectuals didn't know that God was alive and well among fundamentalists, who then and there began organizing a network of Christians schools that would provide an education from kindergarten to college. Intellectuals made the same mistake again after Obama was elected, when pundit after pundit declared that the religion-driven culture wars were over.

"Intellectuals" is the term she uses for "atheists"? Sounds like an atheist supremacist worldview. If you don't see the world the way she does, you are somehow "inferior" and not a creature of intellect.

The god-hating atheists need to put away their "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banned (whenever they declare "God is Dead") and learn to "CoExiSt" as they put it (put it on their cars, at least).

22 posted on 10/12/2010 1:42:08 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Alex Murphy
And she closes it out with some junk science mumbo jumbo about homosexual evolution (if they didn't mate with females, then where was the propagation of the genetic trait?)

Anything found in nature--and homosexuality, like left-handedness, is a common variation--is natural. To say that nature "intended" or "designed" something, and that any minority variation is therefore "unintended," is to betray as much ignorance about evolution as any firebreathing fundaamentalist preacher or senatorial candidate who rejects evolution because she never saw a monkey turning into a man. I never saw a monkey turning into a homosexual man either, but since homosexuality is found in both species, I must conclude that some gay monkey did evolve.

She is deliberately "dumbing down" her response to "proudly" proclaim that nature makes no mistakes. That there are no birth defects. That no baby that is not brought to term (miscarriage) is accidental, that was all "nature's plan".

Monkeys fling poo, masturbate in public in zoos, and engage in other uncivilized behaviors. She should actually go look at a monkey sometime before turning her typewriter over to a roomful of them.

23 posted on 10/12/2010 1:47:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: righttackle44
Can you imagine what it would be like going to a secularist joke-telling session, then?

A painful exercise, to be sure.


24 posted on 10/12/2010 1:49:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Gumdrop
None of the liberal socialsits types ever complain about types of so-called religious leaders like Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his political rhetoric which borders on hatred of anything sacred in this country.

Same as how you don't hear of Fred Phelps' klan going to San Francisco during the Castro S&M gay fest to protest. They'd rather protest dead soldiers killed in a war they opposed.

It's like going to the tax office to complain about your driver's license photo.

25 posted on 10/12/2010 1:53:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: pnh102

If she is going to make the audacious claim that atheism isn’t a religion, they why does her column appear in the religious section and why does she denounce the faiths of other people (here Southern Baptists) as being a false path?


26 posted on 10/12/2010 1:55:14 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Ask yourself,where does Saudi Arabia fit on a scale of "passive" to "moderate" to "extremist" Islam?)
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To: Alex Murphy

Atheism — the highest form of human arrogance.


27 posted on 10/12/2010 2:00:18 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Alex Murphy

I was under the impression that Catholicism was actually larger than the SBC in the U.S.


28 posted on 10/12/2010 2:30:58 PM PDT by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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To: conservative_crusader
I was under the impression that Catholicism was actually larger than the SBC in the U.S.

That depends on who you ask. And what candidate/cause they're supporting.

29 posted on 10/12/2010 3:09:51 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Posting news feeds, making eyes bleed, he's hated on seven continents")
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To: Alex Murphy
The libs beat their chests about the evil rich and corporations, yet they praise the Republicans who represent these interests as "responsible" and "moderate." Meanwhile Biblical Fundamentalists (who are sociologically not well off and certainly not dogmatic Randians), who could serve as a constituency for anti-corporate rhetoric, are considered worse than the rich. Does this make any sense at all?

It's not like the Left is opposed to using fundamentalist religion to achieve power (Qaddafi's Libya is just one example). Yet here in America poor white Bible-thumpers (never poor Black ones) are the supreme demons, against whose evil influence the corporate fatcats are appealed to by the Left as allies.

Somewhere in the Pacific Northwest is (or was at one time) a socialist commune of KJV-Fundamentalists who reject capitalism because they consider it Darwinian and Malthusian. There is apparently no place on the American political spectrum for such people (or hasn't been since William Jennings Bryan).

30 posted on 10/12/2010 3:34:05 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vehe'emin beHaShem; vayachsheveha lo tzedaqah.)
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To: Alex Murphy

btt


31 posted on 10/12/2010 3:37:57 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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