Skip to comments.Green Party Attacks SSPX in Bundestag
Posted on 10/13/2010 3:28:56 AM PDT by 0beron
It's right on time that the German Bundestag takes up the battle against the Society of St. Pius X using the tried and true methods of before.
[kreuz.net] The faction of the German Melon-Party 'Greens' have brought a 'modest proposal' to the Bundestag.
This was reported by 'German Bundestages'.
The 'green' Antichristians would like to bring to disclosure, if the German government would acknowledge the application of "extremist views of the Society of Pius X".
The Society of St. Pius X is an internationally active organization of traditional believers. The 'Greens' would like to portray them as Anti-German enemies of the State.
In fact the Society has opposed the Germanization of the Catholic Liturgy and the introduction of National principles into the Church.
The 'green' faction asks, if the Government if the views of the extremists indicate that the Society of St. Pius X stand in whole or in part, in an endeavor to pursue them in contradiction with the alleged "free-democratic foundations of the Bundesrepublik of Germany."
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So, more anti-Catholic persecution. And from neo-fascists. A shame, but not a tremendous surprise.
The irony shouldn’t be lost on anyone, that the Green party has been trying to legitimize sexual contact between adults and minors, but there is a party, if not more than one, which wants to do that as well in the United States.
How about outlawing the Greens for their anti-humanity activities?
Actually the SSPX probably are anti-German state. They certainly have a problem with being anti-American.
I’m eating lunch at the moment. Good thing I didn’t have a bite in my mouth when I read that. Nicely said.
In so far as the heresies of Americanism, Josephism, Gallicanism and Illuminist Protestantism of Prussian are basically the same thing, yes, every Catholic should be anti-American in that sense.
TESTEM BENEVOLENTIAE NOSTRAE
Concerning New Opinions, Virtue, Nature And Grace, With Regard To Americanism
Pope Leo XIII
Encyclical promulgated on January 22, 1899.
To Our Beloved Son, James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore:
The underlying principle of these new opinions is that, in order to more easily attract those who differ from her, the Church should shape her teachings more in accord with the spirit of the age and relax some of her ancient severity and make some concessions to new opinions.
Obviously, Americanism was a precursor to the errors of Vatican II. Bring back the "ancient severity!"
I have it on good authority that ++Gibons himself, of unhappy memory, would preach at protestant churches and quote from a KJV.
So cleansing the “Amchurch” will require digging deep.
Just curious. More details?
No, that’s not what I mean. There were accusations - and I think well founded ones years ago about French priests in the SSPX spewing anti-American vitriol at Mass and in their teaching.
Srsly.... ++Gibbons was one of the most heretical prelates in the USA since +Ireland... He made Cardinal Mahony look like a choirboy... yeah... I couldn’t even get past the first essay, sorry.
Whoever wrote that has no idea who Cardinal Gibbons was, what Americanism is, and is certainly ignorant of the struggles going on within the American Church up until the Great War, I’m uncertain whether this is an intentional or not.
In any case, what I said was true.
Your links are nothing but ancient, third-party hearsay. The SSPX has reams of publication on the internet but you have not provided any credible source to back up your accusation about what it professes.
Wouldn’t be an indication that the Society’s concerns about Americanism are true, considering that their charges of Americanism are actually true and indicative of the American Hierarchy throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries?
“Your links are nothing but ancient, third-party hearsay. The SSPX has reams of publication on the internet but you have not provided any credible source to back up your accusation about what it professes.”
Actually I did. I also heard this sort of thing from an SSPX trained priest, but no amount of info will convince you. Those who believe in SSPX do so with the intensity and unquestioning loyalty of cult members. I dealt with it quite often for almost 6 years. I know what I saw, experienced, and heard from the SSPX and those associated with them and those formerly associated with them. Whether or not I can convince you is not important to me.
“Wouldnt be an indication that the Societys concerns about Americanism are true, considering that their charges of Americanism are actually true and indicative of the American Hierarchy throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries?”
No. It is indicative of the SSPX. I said nothing about Americanism. I said anti-American. I do not confuse the two and I do not believe the French dominated SSPX is anti-American because of a revulsion toward Americanism.
Skepticism toward your third-party links is not cultism. Any reasonable person would expect you to:
1. back up your claim with copy-and-paste evidence from a reliable SSPX source,
2. provide a plausible explanation on why such information is unavailable, or
3. withdraw you comments as overly hasty.
“Any Christian would feel a revulsion to what the West has become in general...”
I never said anything about that. You keep creating straw men.
“but alleging a particular animus toward America without evidence is wrong.”
I have plenty of evidence. I just don’t have much to post to you. I also have little interest in doing so since I have no logical reason to believe you are actually interested in evidence.
“Skepticism toward your third-party links is not cultism.”
I never said it was. Are you going to keep making up things no one said? Is that what you normally do in threads?
“Any reasonable person would expect you to: 1. back up your claim with copy-and-paste evidence from a reliable SSPX source,”
No, actually that is not what a reasonable person would expect. Since the SSPX does not post all the views of it priests and bishops - especially those who are not native English speakers.
“2. provide a plausible explanation on why such information is unavailable, or”
Well, I just did that.
“3. withdraw you comments as overly hasty.”
My comments were spot on, 100% correct. There was nothing hasty about them in the least.
“My comments were spot on, 100% correct. There was nothing hasty about them in the least.”
I told you, I read the first link, and that individual focused on Americanism, which is the charge the SSPX levels at the United States. Perhaps you don’t really know what Americanism is and are suffering also from a lack of incomprehension about what happened to the Catholic Church in this Country 1776-2010?
So, no, what you’re doing is calumny and rash judgment.
“Perhaps you dont really know what Americanism is and are suffering also from a lack of incomprehension about what happened to the Catholic Church in this Country 1776-2010?”
A lack of incomprehension? Perhaps you don’t know what English is.
“So, no, what youre doing is calumny and rash judgment.”
No, actually it isn’t.
If you say so, I hope you’ll excuse me if I don’t have a lot of confidence in your judgment.
“If you say so, I hope youll excuse me if I dont have a lot of confidence in your judgment.”
That’s fine. After all your “incomprehension” means your judgment is flawed to begin with.
You obviously don’t understand what you’re talking about and no doubt have some hidden woe and imagined injustice you suffered in your “long time” association with the Society for a whopping 6 years.
I’ve known the Society, had friends among the Society, been critical of the Society for more than two decades.
I say you’ve got a personal problem and your injudicious choice of at least the one link I read betrays some real problems with understanding and charity.
Definitely a pride issue.
“You obviously dont understand what youre talking about”
Actually I know exactly what I am talking about.
” and no doubt have some hidden woe and imagined injustice you suffered in your long time association with the Society for a whopping 6 years.”
Uh, no. I dealt with the SSPX quite frequently for 6 years. I have dealt with them otherwise for a total of 15. You need to learn to read.
“Ive known the Society, had friends among the Society, been critical of the Society for more than two decades.”
And yet you are apparently completely unaware of what they themselves say and do.
“I say youve got a personal problem and your injudicious choice of at least the one link I read betrays some real problems with understanding and charity.”
No. Whatever personal problems I might have have in no way affected or effected the actions or beliefs of SSPX.
“Definitely a pride issue.”
No, that seems to be your problem. Why don’t you blog about that next?
My only hope is that you’ll actually read a church history to gain a true understanding of what the SSPX’s concerns are.
Until then, you’re just misleading people and wasting their time. Truth be told, you sound like the Nonothings and others who accused Catholics of being anti-American for, no doubt, the same reasons you do.
The trick is to love one’s country and serve it while serving the Church at the same time. I think most of the people I’ve met in the SSPX have that love of Country which most Americans, frankly, lack. Especially those in our Government....
“My only hope is that youll actually read a church history to gain a true understanding of what the SSPXs concerns are.”
Then your hope is fulfilled since I have a PhD in Medieval History with an emphasis in Church History. I also taught Church History on the graduate level.
“Until then, youre just misleading people and wasting their time. Truth be told, you sound like the Nonothings and others who accused Catholics of being anti-American for, no doubt, the same reasons you do.”
Uh, that would be “Know Nothings” not “Nonothings”. Maybe you should take your own advice and read a history book.
“The trick is to love ones country and serve it while serving the Church at the same time.”
It’s not a trick. I am not surprised that you think it is, however.
“I think most of the people Ive met in the SSPX have that love of Country which most Americans, frankly, lack. Especially those in our Government....”
And your opinion is worth “Nonothing”.