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Green Party Attacks SSPX in Bundestag
The Eponymous Flower ^ | 10/12/2010 | Tancred

Posted on 10/13/2010 3:28:56 AM PDT by 0beron

It's right on time that the German Bundestag takes up the battle against the Society of St. Pius X using the tried and true methods of before.

[kreuz.net] The faction of the German Melon-Party 'Greens' have brought a 'modest proposal' to the Bundestag.

This was reported by 'German Bundestages'.

The 'green' Antichristians would like to bring to disclosure, if the German government would acknowledge the application of "extremist views of the Society of Pius X".

The Society of St. Pius X is an internationally active organization of traditional believers. The 'Greens' would like to portray them as Anti-German enemies of the State.

In fact the Society has opposed the Germanization of the Catholic Liturgy and the introduction of National principles into the Church.

The 'green' faction asks, if the Government if the views of the extremists indicate that the Society of St. Pius X stand in whole or in part, in an endeavor to pursue them in contradiction with the alleged "free-democratic foundations of the Bundesrepublik of Germany."

(Excerpt) Read more at eponymousflower.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: germany; nazi; separation; state

1 posted on 10/13/2010 3:29:05 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

So, more anti-Catholic persecution. And from neo-fascists. A shame, but not a tremendous surprise.


2 posted on 10/13/2010 3:41:02 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: sayuncledave

The irony shouldn’t be lost on anyone, that the Green party has been trying to legitimize sexual contact between adults and minors, but there is a party, if not more than one, which wants to do that as well in the United States.


3 posted on 10/13/2010 3:54:58 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

How about outlawing the Greens for their anti-humanity activities?


4 posted on 10/13/2010 5:06:18 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: 0beron

Actually the SSPX probably are anti-German state. They certainly have a problem with being anti-American.


5 posted on 10/13/2010 6:17:43 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: 0beron

I’m eating lunch at the moment. Good thing I didn’t have a bite in my mouth when I read that. Nicely said.


6 posted on 10/13/2010 8:22:45 AM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: vladimir998

How so?


7 posted on 10/13/2010 8:35:00 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: vladimir998

In so far as the heresies of Americanism, Josephism, Gallicanism and Illuminist Protestantism of Prussian are basically the same thing, yes, every Catholic should be anti-American in that sense.


8 posted on 10/13/2010 8:56:47 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron
TESTEM BENEVOLENTIAE NOSTRAE
Concerning New Opinions, Virtue, Nature And Grace, With Regard To Americanism
Pope Leo XIII
Encyclical promulgated on January 22, 1899.
To Our Beloved Son, James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore:

[...]

The underlying principle of these new opinions is that, in order to more easily attract those who differ from her, the Church should shape her teachings more in accord with the spirit of the age and relax some of her ancient severity and make some concessions to new opinions.

Obviously, Americanism was a precursor to the errors of Vatican II. Bring back the "ancient severity!"

9 posted on 10/13/2010 9:24:25 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I have it on good authority that ++Gibons himself, of unhappy memory, would preach at protestant churches and quote from a KJV.


10 posted on 10/13/2010 10:00:18 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

So cleansing the “Amchurch” will require digging deep.


11 posted on 10/13/2010 10:24:37 AM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: 0beron
They go against the puny SSPX and not against the Progressivist German Catholic Church, the Orthodox, Mohammedans, or Lutherans? The Mohammedans I know why they don't bother, because they'll cause serious damage, but the others? Are they in bed with the Greens?

Just curious. More details?

12 posted on 10/13/2010 1:34:43 PM PDT by verdugo
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To: 0beron; mas cerveza por favor

No, that’s not what I mean. There were accusations - and I think well founded ones years ago about French priests in the SSPX spewing anti-American vitriol at Mass and in their teaching.

http://sspx.agenda.tripod.com/id83.html

http://www.culturewars.com/CultureWars/Archives/Fidelity_archives/SSPX2.htm

http://books.google.com/books?id=W1KFNeoVo-UC&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=sspx+anti-american&source=bl&ots=uShsU6B-UG&sig=Xlq-iQq5D7KkM8h5tVszmBuMZjM&hl=en&ei=iya2TO78I8X6lweipJntBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBzgK#v=onepage&q=sspx%20anti-american&f=false


13 posted on 10/13/2010 2:49:10 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

Srsly.... ++Gibbons was one of the most heretical prelates in the USA since +Ireland... He made Cardinal Mahony look like a choirboy... yeah... I couldn’t even get past the first essay, sorry.

Whoever wrote that has no idea who Cardinal Gibbons was, what Americanism is, and is certainly ignorant of the struggles going on within the American Church up until the Great War, I’m uncertain whether this is an intentional or not.


14 posted on 10/13/2010 5:10:42 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

In any case, what I said was true.


15 posted on 10/13/2010 7:26:30 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

Your links are nothing but ancient, third-party hearsay. The SSPX has reams of publication on the internet but you have not provided any credible source to back up your accusation about what it professes.


16 posted on 10/14/2010 2:38:22 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: vladimir998

Wouldn’t be an indication that the Society’s concerns about Americanism are true, considering that their charges of Americanism are actually true and indicative of the American Hierarchy throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries?


17 posted on 10/14/2010 6:36:23 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: mas cerveza por favor

You wrote:

“Your links are nothing but ancient, third-party hearsay. The SSPX has reams of publication on the internet but you have not provided any credible source to back up your accusation about what it professes.”

Actually I did. I also heard this sort of thing from an SSPX trained priest, but no amount of info will convince you. Those who believe in SSPX do so with the intensity and unquestioning loyalty of cult members. I dealt with it quite often for almost 6 years. I know what I saw, experienced, and heard from the SSPX and those associated with them and those formerly associated with them. Whether or not I can convince you is not important to me.


18 posted on 10/14/2010 8:04:38 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: 0beron

You wrote:

“Wouldn’t be an indication that the Society’s concerns about Americanism are true, considering that their charges of Americanism are actually true and indicative of the American Hierarchy throughout the 19th and 20th Centuries?”

No. It is indicative of the SSPX. I said nothing about Americanism. I said anti-American. I do not confuse the two and I do not believe the French dominated SSPX is anti-American because of a revulsion toward Americanism.


19 posted on 10/14/2010 8:07:07 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
You stated on this public forum that the SSPX is anti-American. More recently you allege a French-dominated revulsion toward America itself (presumably greater than any revulsion felt toward France). Any Christian would feel a revulsion to what the West has become in general but alleging a particular animus toward America without evidence is wrong.

Skepticism toward your third-party links is not cultism. Any reasonable person would expect you to:

1. back up your claim with copy-and-paste evidence from a reliable SSPX source,
2. provide a plausible explanation on why such information is unavailable, or
3. withdraw you comments as overly hasty.

20 posted on 10/14/2010 8:59:16 PM PDT by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

You wrote:

“Any Christian would feel a revulsion to what the West has become in general...”

I never said anything about that. You keep creating straw men.

“but alleging a particular animus toward America without evidence is wrong.”

I have plenty of evidence. I just don’t have much to post to you. I also have little interest in doing so since I have no logical reason to believe you are actually interested in evidence.

“Skepticism toward your third-party links is not cultism.”

I never said it was. Are you going to keep making up things no one said? Is that what you normally do in threads?

“Any reasonable person would expect you to: 1. back up your claim with copy-and-paste evidence from a reliable SSPX source,”

No, actually that is not what a reasonable person would expect. Since the SSPX does not post all the views of it priests and bishops - especially those who are not native English speakers.

“2. provide a plausible explanation on why such information is unavailable, or”

Well, I just did that.

“3. withdraw you comments as overly hasty.”

My comments were spot on, 100% correct. There was nothing hasty about them in the least.


21 posted on 10/14/2010 9:12:50 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

“My comments were spot on, 100% correct. There was nothing hasty about them in the least.”

I told you, I read the first link, and that individual focused on Americanism, which is the charge the SSPX levels at the United States. Perhaps you don’t really know what Americanism is and are suffering also from a lack of incomprehension about what happened to the Catholic Church in this Country 1776-2010?

So, no, what you’re doing is calumny and rash judgment.


22 posted on 10/14/2010 9:33:39 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

You wrote:

“Perhaps you don’t really know what Americanism is and are suffering also from a lack of incomprehension about what happened to the Catholic Church in this Country 1776-2010?”

A lack of incomprehension? Perhaps you don’t know what English is.

“So, no, what you’re doing is calumny and rash judgment.”

No, actually it isn’t.


23 posted on 10/14/2010 10:00:26 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

If you say so, I hope you’ll excuse me if I don’t have a lot of confidence in your judgment.


24 posted on 10/14/2010 11:44:43 PM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

you wrote:

“If you say so, I hope you’ll excuse me if I don’t have a lot of confidence in your judgment.”

That’s fine. After all your “incomprehension” means your judgment is flawed to begin with.


25 posted on 10/15/2010 5:50:24 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

You obviously don’t understand what you’re talking about and no doubt have some hidden woe and imagined injustice you suffered in your “long time” association with the Society for a whopping 6 years.

I’ve known the Society, had friends among the Society, been critical of the Society for more than two decades.

I say you’ve got a personal problem and your injudicious choice of at least the one link I read betrays some real problems with understanding and charity.

Definitely a pride issue.


26 posted on 10/15/2010 8:23:33 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

You wrote:

“You obviously don’t understand what you’re talking about”

Actually I know exactly what I am talking about.

” and no doubt have some hidden woe and imagined injustice you suffered in your “long time” association with the Society for a whopping 6 years.”

Uh, no. I dealt with the SSPX quite frequently for 6 years. I have dealt with them otherwise for a total of 15. You need to learn to read.

“I’ve known the Society, had friends among the Society, been critical of the Society for more than two decades.”

And yet you are apparently completely unaware of what they themselves say and do.

“I say you’ve got a personal problem and your injudicious choice of at least the one link I read betrays some real problems with understanding and charity.”

No. Whatever personal problems I might have have in no way affected or effected the actions or beliefs of SSPX.

“Definitely a pride issue.”

No, that seems to be your problem. Why don’t you blog about that next?


27 posted on 10/15/2010 8:37:37 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998

My only hope is that you’ll actually read a church history to gain a true understanding of what the SSPX’s concerns are.

Until then, you’re just misleading people and wasting their time. Truth be told, you sound like the Nonothings and others who accused Catholics of being anti-American for, no doubt, the same reasons you do.

The trick is to love one’s country and serve it while serving the Church at the same time. I think most of the people I’ve met in the SSPX have that love of Country which most Americans, frankly, lack. Especially those in our Government....


28 posted on 10/15/2010 10:09:15 AM PDT by 0beron
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To: 0beron

You wrote:

“My only hope is that you’ll actually read a church history to gain a true understanding of what the SSPX’s concerns are.”

Then your hope is fulfilled since I have a PhD in Medieval History with an emphasis in Church History. I also taught Church History on the graduate level.

“Until then, you’re just misleading people and wasting their time. Truth be told, you sound like the Nonothings and others who accused Catholics of being anti-American for, no doubt, the same reasons you do.”

Uh, that would be “Know Nothings” not “Nonothings”. Maybe you should take your own advice and read a history book.

“The trick is to love one’s country and serve it while serving the Church at the same time.”

It’s not a trick. I am not surprised that you think it is, however.

“I think most of the people I’ve met in the SSPX have that love of Country which most Americans, frankly, lack. Especially those in our Government....”

And your opinion is worth “Nonothing”.


29 posted on 10/15/2010 4:19:51 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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