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Church of England is Fascist and Vindictive, Says Bishop Defecting to Rome
The Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 10/16/10 | Jonathan Wynne-Jones and David Harrison

Posted on 10/16/2010 8:13:15 PM PDT by marshmallow

An Anglican bishop has attacked his Church as "vicious" and "fascist" as he explained his decision to defect to the Roman Catholic Church.

The Rt Rev John Broadhurst, the Bishop of Fulham, accused the Church of England of breaking promises to make provisions for opponents of women's ordination.

He warned that the Pope's invitation to disaffected Anglicans to join the Catholic Church would appeal to traditionalists dismayed at their treatment.

His comments came as a parish in the Archbishop of Canterbury's own diocese became the first in the country to announce that it would defect to Rome, with one parishioner declaring: "The Pope's offer was the answer to our prayers."

St Peter's Church in Folkestone, Kent, has decided to join the Ordinariate, a system designed by the Vatican to allow Anglicans to convert while maintaining parts of their heritage.

Bishop Broadhurst, who announced his decision to resign on Friday, predicted that many more would leave the Church of England in the months ahead.

"I think the Ordinariate will cause a huge shock," he said.

"A lot of people have said it won't happen and have underestimated the impact that it will have.

"I don't feel I have any choice but to leave the Church and take up the Pope's offer. The General Synod has become vindictive and vicious.

"It has been fascist in its behaviour, marginalising those who have been opposed to women's ordination. We have not been given any space."

The bishop, who was one of three prelates at a secret Vatican summit earlier this year, said he was disappointed to be leaving the Church of England, but that the concerns of traditionalists had been ignored.

"The Pope generously made an offer providing a home for our Catholic heritage at the same time as the Church of England............

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Mainline Protestant; Other non-Christian
KEYWORDS: freformed; gaychurch; ordinariate
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To: marsh2
The decision to allow the ordination of women would seem to be in the same continuum of recognizing healthy human relationships.

Oh yes? Where does the ordination of open homosexuals fall in that continuum?
21 posted on 10/17/2010 1:37:55 PM PDT by Antoninus (It's long past time for conservatives to stop voting for Republican liberals. Enough!)
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To: circlecity

Seriously, please give me the full list you like and then rean John 3:16 three times and then tell me about your list.


22 posted on 10/17/2010 2:03:59 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: vladimir998

What happens if you “violate the Gospel”? That is a new one. I thought Jesus died for our sins if we simply believe he is the Son of God? Is that not true or does that “violate” your Gospel?


23 posted on 10/17/2010 2:09:09 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: Benchim

You wrote:

“What happens if you “violate the Gospel”?”

If a man sins and does not repent he is lost. The more serious the sin the more serious the risk to our souls. 1 John 5:16-17. Mark 1:14-15. Acts 3:19. Acts 20:21. Luke 13:3,5. And when we repent it is not just an act on our part. Romans 2:4. Acts 5:31; 11:18. 2 Tim. 2:25. 2 Cor. 7:10.

“That is a new one.”

Nope. Type in “violate the gospel” in google and see for yourself.

“I thought Jesus died for our sins if we simply believe he is the Son of God?”

Jesus died for our sins whether we believe in Him or not. He did not just redeem the few. He redeemed everyone. Not everyone will be saved, however. To be saved more is to be held than mere belief in the divinity of Jesus. Jesus Himself tells us we must be obedient. John 14:21 and 15:10.

“Is that not true or does that “violate” your Gospel?”

Both. And it isn’t my gospel. It’s Christ’s.


24 posted on 10/17/2010 4:22:29 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Benchim

Belief is not just intellectual assent. Paul tells us you must believe with your heart, not just with your mind. This is the kind of belief John is referring to in 3:16, a belief with entails total surrender and commitment. Jesus further says, “If you love me you will follow my commandments”.


25 posted on 10/17/2010 5:46:00 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: vladimir998

I want you to rest in your salvation so you will not be conflicted, brother. You are completely misguided by the legalistic “church” for the sake of making you feel guilty if you don’t give money and worship idols including their building and that “preacher”. You are hopelessly lost in ambiguity. Please , for your own good and for your family read this special message http://antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com/p/three-legged-stool-of-salvation.html


26 posted on 10/17/2010 6:41:35 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: circlecity

Can you list for me the commandments of Jesus besides “love your neighbor”?


27 posted on 10/17/2010 7:25:21 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: Benchim

You wrote:

“I want you to rest in your salvation so you will not be conflicted, brother.”

There’s no chance I will ever be conflicted.

“You are completely misguided by the legalistic “church” for the sake of making you feel guilty if you don’t give money and worship idols including their building and that “preacher”.”

I have no idea what you’re talking about. 1) I am not misguided in the least. 2) The Church is not legalistic. 3) The Church has never once made me feel guilty about anything. 4) The Church has never made me feel guilty about giving money or not giving money. 5) I have never worshipped idols nor has the Church got any idols nor has it encouraged me in the least to worship any. 6) You are wrong about everything.

“You are hopelessly lost in ambiguity.”

Nope. I am not lost in anything let alone ambiguity. I guess this is your response since you can’t refute scripture.

“Please , for your own good and for your family read this special message http://antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com/p/three-legged-stool-of-salvation.html";

I read over the first half, realized it was full of distortions and decided I was not in the mood for Protestant trash when I could simply keep believing the actual gospel instead. Take “Leg 2” for instance. Only a moron would believe that imputed righteousness is what Christ shed His last drop of blood for. Christ died so that we could become like Him by sharing in His hard won grace. He did not die so that we could just claim something we never actually become. Hebrews 12:23-24. We share in God’s holiness. It is not merely imputed to us. Hebrews 12:10.

I suggest you actually read the Bible. If the Bible is too hard for you - and apparently it is - you might want to try Robert Sungenis’ How Can I Get to Heaven?: The Bible’s Teaching on Salvation-Made Easy to Understand.


28 posted on 10/17/2010 8:13:25 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Benchim
You are hopelessly lost in ambiguity.

Welcome to FR, but you will find very few active FReeper Catholics "hopelessly lost" in any kind of "ambiguity".

We are crystal clear on what we believe. It's the true Good News of Christ's redeeming work, and stands up against every error cooked up by the itching ears of men for the last 2000 years.

Please , for your own good and for your family read this special message

Please, for your own good and for your family read the Gospel of John, chapter 6. If you think any part of that is symbolism or metaphor, read Ignatius of Antioch to the Smyrnaeans, chapter 7 (given that Ignatius knew the Apostles personally, I think he has at least as much right to be heard as the authors of "antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com", don't you?), and tell me why Ignatius doesn't think it is.

29 posted on 10/17/2010 10:30:20 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Benchim

There is also the superior command to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. The details of how you do this are spelled out in the Sermon on the Mount Chapt. 5-7 of Matthew - a standard of behavior nobody has ever lived up to for even an hour of their life. Jesus expects to devote ourselfs to living up to this standard and express repentence for our failures to do so.


30 posted on 10/18/2010 4:43:08 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: tlb

Actually the hullabaloo about priestesses is just the banner they’re going under — they’ve realised that the CoE right now is godless, but in true CoE tradition, they won’t say that out aloud, but use an excuse instead to say why they’re leaving


31 posted on 10/18/2010 6:32:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Vigilanteman

in Islam, if you leave, as per Shariah, you must be executed. No two ways about that. It’s the religious rule.


32 posted on 10/18/2010 6:33:57 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: marsh2
The decision to allow the ordination of women would seem to be in the same continuum of recognizing healthy human relationships.

I'm guessing you don't, but will still ask - Do you consider gay "marriages" a "healthy human relationship"?

This hullabaloo over priestesses is just a mask for the increasing anti-Christianity of the CoE, as exemplified by the gay "marriages", promotion of abortion, free divorce etc.
33 posted on 10/18/2010 6:47:58 AM PDT by Cronos (Ojciec i Syn i Duch Swiety)
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To: Cronos
Some of these idiots who think conversion to Islam is a way to shock society now that nose jewels and a gaudy tattoo have become so commonplace may find that out the hard way.
34 posted on 10/18/2010 7:03:57 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: circlecity

“a standard of behavior nobody has ever lived up to for even an hour of their life.”
I rest my case. Obviously you deny the sacrifice of Christ who save you on the cross. You don’t need anything else but to believe in him . Please read this. http://antinomianism-salvation.blogspot.com/p/when-are-you-saved.html. My desire is to give you total peace.


35 posted on 10/18/2010 5:57:13 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: vladimir998

“and decided I was not in the mood for Protestant trash when I could simply keep believing the actual gospel instead.”

Wow!!do you really want to go there? Is your “priest” a pedophile? ( one of thousands}. Now that is some real trash.
If you would like to discuss the Gospel then that is a horrible way to start.


36 posted on 10/18/2010 6:03:26 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: Campion

He is an object of worship by you that is either illegitimate or non-functioning in its professed authority or capability.


37 posted on 10/18/2010 6:08:16 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: Benchim

As I said before, Satan believes in him. Is Satan saved?


38 posted on 10/18/2010 7:30:14 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: circlecity

As I said . You deny Christ died for your sins.You are doomed.


39 posted on 10/18/2010 7:37:09 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: Benchim

I merely quote Christ’s brother James - was he “doomed” too? Does quoting scripture, in context, doom one?


40 posted on 10/18/2010 7:40:30 PM PDT by circlecity
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