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Posted on 10/22/2010 2:42:31 AM PDT by Gamecock
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There is nothing in Mormonism that is not shared by religion in general.
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But there is A LOT in Mormonism that is not shared by CHRISTIANITY in general. And THAT is why these people were not allowed to be scout leaders.
OK then. Presbyterians voted to allow gay clergy, but booted the Mormon cub leaders.
At least they have their priorities straight.
Yup, call in the cut an paste queens.
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ROFL. the ones listed above (including me) rarely ‘cut and paste’.
Generally what is cut and pasted are statements from Mormon prophets and Apostles. When Mormons see those statements on a thread they have a tendency to "cut and run".
BTW you left out Elsie.
Wrong Presbyterians, Rip.
These are the conservative ones that broke of of the ones that allow gay clergy.
Their priorities are fine.
So did my Hindu landlady from 15 years ago.
Yes, I know about the rift. That was a general observation. I don’t imagine the PCUSA that accepts gay priests to have a different policy when it comes to Mormon cub scout leaders.
That's about as fair as if I were to try to hang the Texas polygamists around the necks of the LDS folks in Salt Lake. Sort of a sun is to green as ocean is to yellow comparison.
So a mormon is a buddist is a moslem is a shintoist is a druid.
Give us some TRUTH to cling to; instead of our BIBLES and our GUNS!
While the rift in the PCUSA is recent, within the last year, it's still a definite change about belief among groups.
As the polygamy issue goes back over a hundred years ago, I hope the usual FR suspects who post all the "fLDS" stuff are taking note.
Give us some TRUTH to cling to; instead of our BIBLES and our GUNS!
I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.
17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the otherThis is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)and which I should join.
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.
20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, Never mind, all is wellI am well enough off. I then said to my mother,
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
There is a common theme there.
Yes, and D&C 132 - the 'revelation' that sanctioned polygamy is still valid doctrine for lds, flds and other D&C accepting 'x-lds' groups.
To you MORMONS it would; but to the rest of us normal folks; it looks like some people with BACKBONE have taken a stand on their VALUES and do not want to give the appearence that MORMONism is an ok thing, when it is a heresy built upon the Christian foundation.
Can't this couple find another troop that doesn't give the finger to Mormons?
Graven would be sculpted; would it not?
Generally what is cut and pasted are statements from Mormon prophets and Apostles. When Mormons see those statements on a thread they have a tendency to “cut and run”.
False. Generally what is cut and pasted by the Anti-Mormon gang is misrepresentations and straw man arguments.
It is obvious the the BSA has NO qualms about the LDS church.
It is also obvious that the BSA has no problems ALLOWING the Sponsoring Agency from setting a few ‘rules’ of it’s own.
Ergo; ruffled feathers is ALL that will come from these ‘discussions’ on FR.
Sorry; but this statement is in correct.
"There is SOMETHING in Mormonism that IS shared by religion in general. A belief in the metaphysical.", is true.
There are MANY THINGS in Mormonism that are not shared by religion in general!
Gotta watch them double negatives...
If they had what you call backbone, they wouldnt let the kids join either. If they had what you call backbone, they would keep out all of the un-pure, because they could turn the children.
Also, Im not a mormon. We’ve had this conversation many times.
Yup, call in the cut an paste queens.
What am I??
If they have a sports team and allow players from other churches to be on the team but wont allow parents of other churches to be coaches or administrators, then yes, they would be cowards.
PD; it is time for you to post yer haystack of TRUTH for the Lurkers to rummage in!
Actually, Pan_Yan posted it. Our son is in scouts and Pan_Yan is an assistant scout master.
Is it time to point out SLC's HYPOCRACY now?
Office of First President & Living Prophet®:
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They might have roast leg of Goat as well!
I know; but it's SO hard to keep MORMONs and their well intentioned supporters separate in my mind.
Forgive me for lumping you in with them.
Ya gotta start SOMEWHERE!
Besides; how do you know they aren't?
It is Scriptural to toss out folks for certain things; don't you agree?
If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There’s an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.
They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the “quotation” the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.
Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn’t been addressed a hundred times before.
Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.
After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever “issue” they seem to be “revealing” or “exposing”. I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the “ahah” moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there’s nothing new here. It’s all been addressed many times before.
Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here’s more:
Mormonism is not consistent with historical Christianity
Sorry but Mormonism IS historical Christianity restored.
And you claim we misrepresent Mormons when the fLDS are involved in certain things?
CharlesWayneCT, on this thread, mentioned that the church denomination this church is involved in is the PCA (the conservative Presbyterian Church in America). You are talking about the PC-USA, headquartered in KY, the "liberal" branch of Presbyterians.
While the rift in the PCUSA is recent, within the last year, it's still a definite change about belief among groups. (Post #61)
Again, it's not a PCUSA church.
Now, if you want to advocate that we treat all Mormons alike just like the way you're treating all Presbyterians alike, no matter where they splash down association-wise, then hey, just let us know, and we'll note that the next time Mormons try to say, "Hey, we don't practice polygamy any more, that they really don't speak for all Mormons...*"
[* NOTE: The asterisk is for the qualifier read in a fastunintelligiblewayattheendofacommercialsothatyoucan'treallyunderstandit...
How does one cut and paste an active argument?
Or are you just tossing philosophical terms out without any clue on how to properly use them in a sentence hoping it will make you sound intellectual enough that some poor schlep will buy your defective wares?
Definitely, thats how Jesus got all of his disciples, by throwing out people who didnt believe he was the Messiah before meeting him.
Delusions of adaquacy given out in the temple daily.
Could he post it again? Please?
I actually would expect them to have differing policies. PCUSA is very liberal theologically and more likely to not hold to strict doctrinal agreement.
At least the Texas group are the real followers of Joseph Smith’s church (the real Mormons). They haven’t thrown D&C132 under the bus.
It may have been 100 years, that doesn’t mean it still isn’t in your scriptures.
“”I can’t believe they had the audacity to say, ‘You can’t be leaders, but we want your boys,’ “ Jodi Stokes said. “Are you kidding me?””
Yea that would be like a woman who converts to Mormonism so she can marry in the Temlpe not being allowed to bring her non moron Family to the wedding....
No way that happens.... right?
They are nice, that does not make them Christians...
The non Mormon family is allowed to come to the wedding.
They just can't go in the temple to watch it.
Does this pass the "straight face" test?
ALL: Let's assume many of you have some "bare" details about the Mormon belief system. So let's just run by you the ABCs of the Mormon belief system, and then ask you, "Does this sound like historical Christianity?"
(a) Mormonism believes the godhead are 3 separate gods, and that there's a "mom god" on Kolob...and that her husband was assigned to this planet earth by a "council of gods"...and that you can become a god, too. Does having all these thousands to millions of gods sound like historical Christianity to you?
(b) Mormonism believes you have to learn special handshakes to discern spirits (D&C 129:1-9) and couples are taught to have a special handshake recognizable only to their spouse so that there's no spirit world confusions there. Is that historical Christianity?
(c) Mormons are told to wear special protective underwear. Now do you really think that Jesus' problem in getting nailed to the cross was that He just forgot to wear His proper underwear that day? Is that historical Christianity?
Or consider these Examples of LDS 'Doublespeak' & 'Mormonese definitions of biblical terms'...as you read these, ask yourself, "Is this "historical" Christianity, or "hysterical" christianity, Mormon-style?
10. "Little kids are perfect until age 8. That's why we baptize them at that age...for the remission of sins...that, uh, the sins they, uh, don't have."
9. "Adam & Eve disobeyed God & brought sin into the world. So we celebrate that...as a, you know, as a sort of 'upward fall'...'Cause that brought us parenthood, mortality & potential godhood for us. (Sin pays)"
8. "Your Christian gospel isn't fair. With our Mormon proxy baptism for the dead, people get a second after-life chance...our Mormon gospel IS fair...uh, so long, uh, as we find the birth certificate of, you know, every cave dweller and illiterate peasants from pre-existant, pre-published times."
7. "We don't believe in earthly polygamy, anymore...well, at least, you know, not until jesus returns...at least so says Brother Bruce R. McConkie."
6. "We ex-communicate polygamists. Uh, except for Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, Parley P. Pratt, and others -- including Jesus Christ, who some of our founding apostles said was also a polygamist. (And they're STILL practicing polygamy in the great beyond."
5. "We have a living prophet; pay attention to us 'cause we're the only church that believes in continuing revelation. Uh, except pay no attention to those quotes of our prophets cited by FReeper Inmans! Our 'living prophets' weren't continually 'revelating' when they said those Inman-cited things from the tabernacle."
4. "Christians are apostates. Oh, and we're Christian, too!"
3. "Christians are apostates. (That's why 53% of our Lds hymnal -- 190 of them -- were hymns inspired by those 'apostates'!)"
2. "We are not polytheist. There's only one god. Well, just a lot of 'only one gods.'" [Ejonesie's submission]
1. "Oh, man can become one [a god] too -- just like jesus the son and god himself did at one point. (But there is only one god)." [Ejonesie's submission & personal fave]