Posted on 10/23/2010 1:50:52 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Until the Anglican Lambeth Conference of 1930 no Christian denomination had ever said that contraception could ever be objectively right. The Washington Post, in an editorial on March 22, 1931, said of the Federal Council of Churches' endorsement of Lambeth:
“It is impossible to reconcile the doctrine of the divine institution of marriage with any modernistic plan for the mechanical regulation of or suppression of human life. The Church must either reject the plain teachings of the Bible or reject schemes for the ‘ scientific’ production of human souls.
Carried to its logical conclusion, the committee’s report, if carried into effect, would sound the death knell of marriage as a holy institution by establishing degrading practices which would encourage indiscriminate immorality. The suggestion that the use of legalized contraceptives would be ‘ careful and restrained’ is preposterous.”
Most stats claim less than 10% of Catholics accept the Church’s teachings on this topic.
My sister has epilepsy. She takes anti-epileptic medications and has done so since the age of eight. She can NEVER have a child because she can NEVER stop taking these medications. These medications are known to cause severe birth defects. Because of this, since the age of eight years old, she has known that getting pregnant is an impossibility for her. If she stops taking these medications, she will most likely die.
When you say that people who use birth control do not have God’s grace, you are ignorant as to why some women MUST use birth control. And to top it off, you are judging someone’s soul based on this? I pity you.
"So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumbling block or an occasion to fall in his brother's way." Romans 14:12-13 (KJV)
Translation: God decides. Not verdugo.
Being married to two people (divorce having no impact on the sacramental vows of marriage) is an objective moral evil and should always be vonsidered as such.
It is objectively hypocritical to proclaim to be Catholic and to be married to two people.
It's simply above our pay grade.
I write for Catholics. I don't know what you are, but, to answer your post:
By the time God decides, it's too late! I am not "deciding", I am warning from Catholic doctrine, the truth, no adulterer will be saved. If you choose to ignore the Church, that is your problem, the Church has spoken CLEARLY. When you go before God, you will not be able to say, Lord, but no one told me clearly.
"Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned". (St. Remigius of Rheims)
If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)
Dude. I guarentee ya you don't have even a 0.000001% understanding of God.
I am a former crack user, a man who has done all sorts of heinous crimes, some of which I dare not put down on paper for fear of legal ramifications.
And I still know God loves me and that I will always be accepted into His Kingdom.
Church, smurch. Church ain't God.
I write for Catholics. Artificial birth control has ALWAYS been forbidden by the Church and thus by God. It is God's way, not my “thoughts”.
“The tree does not understand the pruning, nor the ground the tilling, but the husbandman does”. The tree sees itself being hacked, and the ground sees itself being chopped up, they can't understand the reason.
The first thing a Catholic would do is accept the teaching as the truth, as it comes from God. then, they must work from there. In the case you described, there are various options that I can quickly see:
- the person might decide to never marry
- if the person married, the person might live a celibate marriage.
- and finally, the person could marry, and live a semi-celibate” life by using NFP.
The person talking to you has a wife that has been told by her doctor that she can die if she has another child to full term. I am not a “theorists”, giving advice that I would not enforce on myself.
Read the book I recommended above about the midwife, it has many real life stories like your sister and my wife live.
We will pray for your sister.
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AMDG
Well, yes.
Thats why I don’t typically associate with active homosexuals, or with those who have a valid sacramental marriage but take a second spouse, or with those who work at abortion mills.
I don’t condemn them to hell, but I certainly condemn their actions and don’t pretend otherwise.
well said, v
What I write is for Catholics, it's Catholic doctrine, the truth from God. If after 2000 years, the Catholic Church does not have "the understanding of God", then you might as well go back to your crack, and I back to my life of seducing all the beach bunnies I can get, because we certainly are not going to figure things out "winging it" on our own with just a bible like you are doing. Go back to the drawing board.
As G. K. Chesterton wrote, “There is no other case of one continuous intelligent institution (The Catholic Church)that has been thinking about thinking for two thousand years. Its experience naturally covers nearly all experiences; and especially nearly all errors. The result is a map in which all the blind alleys and bad roads are clearly marked, all the ways that have been shown to be worthless by the best of all evidence: the evidence of those who have gone down them.”
To maintain faith in ones own personal interpretation of scripture, one must cavalierly dismiss twenty centuries of the spiritual and intellectual work product of history’s greatest minds and holiest men as nothing more than something done by other men. LUDICROUS!
Either all Christians up til 1931 misuderstood this issue, or many Christian since 1931 misunderstand this issue.
Because of the general apostasy of our times, I'm betting on the latter. An age in which the Christian churches are caving on every moral issue in compromising with the world is not likely one in which they better understand God's Will on contraception. On the contrary, compromise on contraception is of the same nature as compromise on abortion, homosexuality, divorce and remarriage, etc.
This is why I studiously avoid churches and religion, and those who are members of religious orders. The judgmentalism and assumption of infallibility is insufferable, and I guarantee you, you are as wrong as Mormons or Lutherans or Presbyterians or Islamics. And just like all of them, you claim you have a monopoly on truth. Ha.
Oh, and in terms of longevity being a decider of truth.... When can I expect your conversion to Judaism?
Anthony Comstock made Margaret Sanger a celebrity.
re: Oh, and in terms of longevity being a decider of truth.... When can I expect your conversion to Judaism?
Old Testament Templar Judaism ceased at 70 A.D., with the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem by the Romans. What they call Judaism today is like Protestantism, all divided, no hierarchy, no creeds, no priesthood lineage.
The only faith in the world with lineage of priesthood, and unity of hierarchy, and continously kept creeds, doctrines, and history, is the Catholic Church.
You must live in a very polite part of the world. My wife and I had a child 3 years ago, 14 years after our previous child. We had so many people say rude comments to us and ask if it was a mistake. People assume everyone is using BC. They had no idea of how hard we had prayed for that child.
Utter nonsense. Judaism is a bit more than a building. While it has importance, it is not the definition of Judaism.
The only faith in the world with lineage of priesthood, and unity of hierarchy, and continously kept creeds, doctrines, and history, is the Catholic Church.
Utter nonsense. The Catholic church is a flavor of Christianity, and even Christianity is predated by Judaism.
Nonsense.
I don't think its available in online text format, but I'll be happy to mail you a copy of the book "The Bible and Birth Control," by protestant writer Charles Provan. Just send me a PM where you'd like it sent.
Or if you prefer, there are audio files available:
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