Skip to comments.Mel Gibson May be an Alcoholic, a Sedevacantist and an Anti-Semite – But He Has My Sympathy
Posted on 10/26/2010 7:21:57 AM PDT by marshmallow
Hollywood has turned against him: he has been dropped from the cast of Hangover 2
Here we go again. Mel Gibson has been dropped from the cast of Hangover 2. He was to have had a cameo role as a tattooist the role played in the original Hangover by that winsome rapist Mike Tyson but at the weekend it emerged that his co-stars had decided that they could not appear alongside a man whose wickedness has dragged the good name of Hollywood through the mud. Over at Salon Matt Zoller Seitz thinks he detects double standards at play:
Theres something about this Hangover 2 thing that doesnt pass the smell test. It seems, at the very least, yet another example of the selective outrage that fuels controversy-driven entertainment coverage, and Hollywood posturing generally, with actors, directors, producers, studio bosses and other players working themselves into a righteous snit about certain people and offenses while giving others a pass.
Go here for the whole thing.
The case against Mel is that he is anti-Semitic, homophobic, violent and alcoholic, and, to add insult to injury, a Roman Catholic. Thats a bad combination in Hollywood. Most Hollywood types can forgive alcoholism and a little domestic violence, but they draw the line at anti-Semitism and homophobia, and they dont like Catholicism unless it comes from Bing Crosby and is wrapped in tinsel. No one would ever accuse Mel of wrapping his Catholicism in tinsel.
But hang on, is Mel Gibson really a Catholic? No, say his critics; he is a sedevacantist and therefore a schismatic and therefore not a Catholic. You didnt hear much talk of that sort when The Passion of the Christ was released in 2004. Then it was Mel the conquering Catholic hero; now, in some quarters at least, it is Mel the Damned. When I last wrote about him three months ago, one reader declared in the combox: I am sorry to say that Mel will go to Hell when he dies. He is NOT a Catholic and absolutely does not practice the true Catholic faith. Bless that reader for having compassion enough to regret that Mel Gibson is doomed to spend an eternity in unspeakable misery.
But not even Google can tell us exactly what Mels religious position is. His friend the Jesuit scholar William Fulco says that Mel denies neither the Pope nor Vatican II. Mel Gibson is obviously a religious nut, however, and there must have been times when, as a loyal son, he embraced his fathers sedevacantism. It is possible that he remains a sede. But so far as I know he has never questioned, far less rejected, any part of Catholic teaching. Thats more than can be said for a lot of Catholics, including priests and bishops. Surveys show that most Catholics in the comfortable West do not accept the Churchs teaching on (for example) birth control. They dont just ignore it the way we all ignore moral teaching from time to time they believe the Church is in error. So it could be that some of those accusing Gibson of sedecavantism may themselves be heretics, or at the very least recalcitrant dissidents. I am not defending sedevacantism on the contrary but I am suggesting that sedes are sometimes more faithful to Church teaching than respectable Catholics in the suburbs.
Whatever Mels status as a Catholic, however, he is in his anger and resentments a classic type of Catholic alcoholic. His anti-Semitism is very Catholic, too. Catholic anti-Semites are very rarely prejudiced against individual Jews, but have a thing about Jews collectively. G K Chesterton loved individual Jews, and was outspoken in his condemnation Hitlers anti-Semitism, but he was able to write:
I am fond of Jews
Jews are fond of money
Never mind of whose
I am fond of Jews
Oh, but when they lose
Damn it all, its funny.
Some might say that those lines are quite innocent, but I am not sure many Jews would.
Mel himself obviously has nothing against Jewish people. His agent, Alan Nierob, is Jewish. Nierob is also the agent of Liam Neeson, who has been picked to replace Gibson in the cameo role in Hangover 2 pending, as Nierob has said, clearance of cast and crew background check. Probably the only sane response to this is to laugh.
All the same, I have sympathies with Mel Gibson, if only because I, too, am an alcoholic, and sense that if I were to go back on the booze I might soon find myself doing Gibson turns. My perhaps rather pious hope is that Mel will sober up whether or not he is drinking now, he is not sober and make his peace with the Church. He can after all do that and continue to hear Mass in the old rite. First, though, he must learn moderation. Thats more than I have ever managed to do, but I am persuaded that the only antidote to booze, anger and bad religion is love of God and neighbour, especially when your neighbour is also your enemy.
Well yes, other than that they “started all the wars in the world”.
What a crock!
“My father never lied to me” Mel Gibson when asked about his father's Holocaust denial.
He had everything: an adoring wife, a beautiful family, good health, good looks, a career that not only paid supremely well but that he clearly enjoyed every minute of.
He decided to throw it all away.
That being said, it is ridiculous that the cast of The Hangover, who had no problem working with convicted rapist, long-time wifebeater and cannibal Mike Tyson would draw the line at Gibson.
“...because I, too, am an alcoholic, and sense that if I were to go back on the booze I might soon find myself doing Gibson turns.”
Really? A bottle jack turns you into a wife-beating/berating, Jew-hating a-hole? Okay, I’ll give the auther the a-hole part, but if he has anti-semitism and anti-wife within him, can’t blame that on the booze. Sorry.
Gibson is a tormented man & a great director. Bet they would have no qualms working with Polanski. What jerks. Personally I hope that Mel can get his life back together, he was always one of my favorites.
Discrimination against people who suffer from bipolar disorder is pretty much akin to racial discrimination.
One of the problems these folks face is SELF MEDICATION using a variety of subtances, particularly distilled beverages.
Antisemitism, or any other sort of voiced bias is an artifact of the problem.
People should thank God they do not suffer from the condition ~ not condemn the sufferer for having it (and we must always be sure to praise them for using their medications).
I’ve seen Jews in their private moments condemn the ‘goys for not caring for their kids’ or enjoy a tickle when Christianity gets ridiculed, but I knew them well enough that I judged them by how they treated individuals, which was very well. I can forgive Mel a drunken rant. I still like Mel.
I agree with what you said. Funny hollyweird supported Polanski, but, not Gibson. I think they are using a lot of exuses, because he is more conservative than most of hollyweird.
Mel’s OK. He is a private citizen who gets drunk and rants. Big deal.
Addicts tend to seriously wreck themselves and the ones who love them. Mel’s got a monster on his back. I hope his bottom has been reached so he can heal and make amends before he dies.
Still, hollywierd (including the Jewish ones) playing all high and mighty towards Gibson is the material of comedy. There is not a more oppressive, immoral and hateful pack on the planet. Abusing females is central to life in that culture. Although hating Jews and Muslims is taboo; hating and debasing Christians has been ritualized.
Oh the poor, poor little RACE card got played AGAIN .... give it a frakking rest already. Genetic defects are a world apart from skin color.
Ooooh, now THAT one’s gonna leave a mark.
BTW, why has no one ever asked how fishy Mel’s “antisemitic” drunk driving bust was? He gets nailed good and proper for a DWI... and then “just happens” to launch into a Jew-baiting rant to a LEO who “just happens” to be Jewish?
Learned a new word - sedevacantist.
True about that. Mel did this to himself....he needs to get help. He has a ton of money and should be in the Betty Ford Clinic or somewhere that can help him. In order for forgiveness, he needs to repent (not to us but at least to God).
Polanski did not get respect from Hollywood for 20 years and now is just getting it....Mel’s nonsense has just started two years ago. Who knows what Hollywood will be saying about Mel in 20 years. Time heals all wounds. I am sure that in time Mel will be at the cocktail parties ucking it up.
Sedevacantism is the position held by a minority of Traditionalist Catholics who claim that the Papal See has been vacant since either the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958 or Pope John XXIII in 1963.
Sedevacantists believe that Paul VI (19631978), John Paul I (1978), John Paul II (19782005) and Benedict XVI (since 2005) have been neither true Catholics nor true Popes, by virtue of allegedly having espoused the heresy of Modernism, or of having otherwise denied or contradicted solemnly defined Catholic dogmas. Some of them classify John XXIII (19581963) also as a Modernist antipope.
He doesn’t have my sympathy. He has my prayers, though, and my awareness that I’m a fellow sinner.
This guy is a cop in Malibu and is Jewish. He busts people for drunk driving all the time, it is one of the major crimes that happens in Malibu. He busts a guy going too fast too drunk and that guy “just happens” to be Mel Gibson.
Mel Gibson reads the name on the badge and/or starts profiling our LEO and asks him if he is Jewish - and then “just happens” to launch into a venomous rant about how Jews are responsible for starting all the wars in the world and “What are you looking at sugar t*ts?”.
Conclusion: It simply MUST be a Jewish conspiracy to bust Mel Gibson drunk driving, and they just KNEW that if they did it with a Jewish officer he would “just happen” to go off on an antisemitic tirade!
Yeah, sure. Keep telling yourself that. That seems right up there with the conspiracy theory that the Mossad knew 9-11 was going to happen and no Jews showed up for work at the twin towers that day.
I am fond of Christians
Christians are fond of property
Never mind of whose
I am fond of Christians
Oh, but when they lose
Damn it all, its fuuny.
If you have yellow/brown you tend to be red haired with semi-bushy eyebrows, and translucent or freckled skin. You may have blue, green, or "hazel" (that's the other stuff) eyes.
There are maybe 200 million lucky people with the yellow/brown pigment. Another 6 billion are burdened with the black/brown stuff ~ poor dears!
Now, who are the mutants?
Let's leap ahead to other mutations ~ NON BI POLAR may be the mutation. Like NON AUTISTIC may be another one.
Color is readily overcome with the use of skin bleaches. There is no fix for bipolar disorder.
I am just AMAZED at all the ‘Mel’ hatred.
Yep, he’s goofed.. a LOT lately, it seems, but sheesh!
EVERY one of his ‘incidences’ have to do with his personal life. PERSONAL. It’s the media who splatters these things in our faces.
Why is it we give others who are just as ‘bad’-all the time, publicly, a pass.. simply because, “oh well, that’s JUST ‘them’ and we expect ‘them’ to be weird or whatever.
How come Sean Penn doesn’t get booted from acting jobs? Alec Baldwin?...I could go on and on.
Why hammer on Mel so badly? He’s his OWN worst enemy and will need to fix things himself. Professionally, he’s a fine actor.
How come Bill Clinton’s ‘character’ didn’t get HIM booted from his job?
California has such folks though. One family we knew (they've since passed on) were part of an ancient caste/class who did trash work ~ and worked as police. They said they were sometimes mixed up with the Samaritans, but no, they'd been cops and trash collectors FOR CENTURIES. Their son was a CHIP.
I don't know if that reached back to Spain in the Middle Ages or Russia or Israel or Egypt or Babylon, but there they were and they knew something about it.
I may have met an FBI agent or Postal Inspector who was Jewish but it never occurred to me to ask ~ now accountants, or lawyers?
I doubt there were Jewish cops just laying in wait for Mel to wiggle waggle down the road, but if it was going to happen that'd probably have to be in Souvrn' California ~ but I doubt they'd have the time.
World population is 25% white, 60% asian, 13% black and a smattering of other types. Take your perceived aggrieved status and stuff it. Keep playing that race card, how's that working out for you?
Start with Lithium.
>>There is no fix for bipolar disorder.<<
There’s a lot of money top be made treating it though. Get in line!
So he was doing fine and one day showed up with immense red welts from his toes to his waist.
They didn't go away and got redder and weltier and more and more painful.
This is why the search continues for more powerful and less harmful drugs to treat epilepsy AND bipolar disorder.
I thought there'd be someone out there who'd get sucked in easily ~ who doesn't know about the realities of human pigmentation.
Even blonds have the black/brown pigment ~ they have genes that suppress its production.
Red heads don't ~ they have an entirely different color pigment.
The world of human pigmentation has but two colors ~ black/brown and yellow/brown ~ that's it. All the rest of the stuff you see is just a matter of pigment density!
“He was to have had a cameo role as a tattooist the role played in the original Hangover by that winsome rapist Mike Tyson”
This guy probably should have actually watched the movie before commenting on it and making himself look foolish.
Hey, no sense the liquor stores getting all the money eh!
I don't recall him having anything to do with a tattooist.
This guy is dense.
That "Passion of the Christ" sure upset Hollywood, and it's historical box office success, insures that it will always be an unforgivable sin to them.
I don't side with Hollywood on anything.
And Charlie Sheen, who just happens to be in trouble again....
If the “simplist explanation” is correct, your own take seems doubtful. A drunken Gibson is busted by a sherrif’s deputy named “James Mee?” Sounds less Jewish than Chinese to me.
Try this — a deputy gets Gibson dead to rights for DUI, but the dep. has been goaded by the anti-Gibson “antisemite” propaganda campaign Abe Foxman and his cronies whipped up to greet “The Passion of the Christ.” Well well... now he has a drunk Gibson neatly busted. Maybe couldn’t resist saying “So how’s it feel to get busted by a JEW, huh Adolph?” Then he can claim to be shocked at the response. That the officer was later investigated for leaking details on the case to the press supports this fairly obvious solution.
Moreover nothing the Officer said or did would excuse Mel Gibson's “Jews are responsible for starting all the wars in the world” lunacy.
Other than the fact that Gibson is a raving loon and raving loons say loony things when they rant and rave.
“Mel Gibson was the one who asked if the officer was Jewish, ACCORDING TO THE REPORT...”
The offensive part of your post is equating discrimination against Bipolar disorder to racism. Newsflash: People are getting sick and disgusted with racism cards being thrown everywhere. You are responsible for your actions and no one else.
“Jews are responsible for starting all the wars in the world” Mel Gibson
I think you're getting your panties in a wad over what you imagine to be an intention behind my statement rather than what the statement said.
You do know about the part DNA plays, right?
When I say "DNA" that is not throwing the race card.
There is no race card to play anyway, and in reality there are people who don't care how you behave, if you have a genetic difference they are ready to jump on you.
That's a race card.
if you have a genetic difference they are ready to jump on you.
There is that. And yes one of my brothers are bipolar so I am familiar with the disorder. Self-control of your actions is what my brothers and I keep trying to drill into him.
Medicine is better.
Particularly if they can get enough relief early on so that they don't try ALCOHOL.
BTW, the “discrimination is akin” because there’s not a whole lot the person with the genetic condition can do about it ~ so it’s just as mindless as discrimination based on skin tones.
A bipolar Hollywood alcoholic that falls off the wagon one night (the worst drunk one can have) by drinking straight tequila, is under siege by Jews for his Christian movie, and is stopped by a hostile Jewish deputy (that released the tapes, and later sued LA county for anti-Jewish discrimination) in Malibu while sucking on a bottle of Tequila and driving 42 miles over the speed limit, and he blurts out some anti Jewish insults.
You must not have spent much time around bipolar people, or alcoholics, or both, in your time, that is pretty mild stuff, I would like to see what you say on a full fledged Tequila drunk.
The guy is a wack job with a Holocaust denying father who “never lied to (him)”, and with big wack job conspiracy theories involving Jews starting all wars floating about his Tequila soaked brain.
But it wasn't the Tequila that MADE those things be inside Mel, it just lubricated their release from the fetid depths of his deeply disturbed mind.
The only thing i would say is that he get away from religion, any religion, and get acquainted with Christ, however i have no reason to think i should give advice to some one else.
I am just AMAZED at all the Mel hatred.
It could just as easily have been John Wayne, but in his day people were not so paranoid about this politically correct crap.
I don,t know much about Mel Gibson, just seen a few movies, i did not watch the passion because i saw the previews and thought it was not scriptural, but i think he is a good actor and i trust some one who says what they think, even if it is just a rant, because i have that same problem, if it is a problem.
And like myself, i bet there are a lot of people out there who if they would think about it would thank god they are not in that spot light.
but at the weekend it emerged that his co-stars had decided that they could not appear alongside a man whose wickedness has dragged the good name of Hollywood through the mud.
Hollywood and the media despised John Wayne and was against him, Wayne had to fight them constantly to get his message out. Wayne was attacked on anything that they could attack him on.
Hollywood figures have, and do attack Christians in the same way and do fine, the people that hated him for making a pro-Christian movie used what they could to get him, even the meaningless ramblings of a bipolar alcoholic, falling off the wagon with a Tequila drunk.
Drunks often make statements they don’t believe, to upset people, you yourself believe a myth that they never lie when blind drunk and off their medication, just like people believed that children never lie as the left sent people to prison for that myth.