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Modern Slavery Prevalent in U.S., BYU Conference Told
Mid Utah Radio ^ | Oct. 29, 2010 | Brad James

Posted on 10/31/2010 8:22:05 AM PDT by Colofornian

(PROVO)-Although vast strides have been made in alleviating slavery throughout the world, in the United States it is alive and well in various shapes and forms, Kevin Bales said in a human trafficking conference at Brigham Young University Thursday.

Bales, the president of the nonprofit Free the Slaves, said in modern times, slavery occurs more in recruiters showing up in villages around the world offering jobs.

Since many people are living in dire straits, despite the shady visage recruiters have, many people take a chance in order to give their families a better life.

Currently, what may be the largest U.S. human trafficking escapade in recorded history, involves Thais who were recruited by Beverly Hills, Calif.-based Global Horizons Inc. and eventually ended up working on hog and chicken farms in Utah.

As the Salt Lake Tribune reported, they mortgaged farms in Thailand to pay huge upfront fees to Global Horizon upon the guise from the company promising three years of high wages in the United States.

The Thais found that if they quit, they would lose their homes and farms and ultimately, were not paid at all after experiencing worsening conditions.

Roughly 60 Thais in Utah were able to attract help from Utah Legal Services and contacted officials concerning their plight.

Bales said some countries, including the U.S., don’t follow up well on workers brought into their boundaries, at least not poorer ones from developing countries.

Donna Hughes, a professor at the University of Rhode Island and international researcher of human trafficking, said many countries prosecute prostitutes but should drop charges against those who are human trafficking victims, while offering them compassion and help. .


TOPICS: Current Events; Moral Issues; Other Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: byu; lds; mormon; slavery
From the article: ...a human trafficking conference at Brigham Young University Thursday.

Well, good for BYU that it held this conference.

1 posted on 10/31/2010 8:22:08 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
Although vast strides have been made in alleviating slavery throughout the world, in the United States it is alive and well in various shapes and forms...

Yeah. It's called the income tax.

2 posted on 10/31/2010 8:25:25 AM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: All
From the article: Currently, what may be the largest U.S. human trafficking escapade in recorded history, involves Thais who were recruited by Beverly Hills, Calif.-based Global Horizons Inc. and eventually ended up working on hog and chicken farms in Utah. As the Salt Lake Tribune reported, they mortgaged farms in Thailand to pay huge upfront fees to Global Horizon upon the guise from the company promising three years of high wages in the United States. The Thais found that if they quit, they would lose their homes and farms and ultimately, were not paid at all after experiencing worsening conditions. Roughly 60 Thais in Utah were able to attract help from Utah Legal Services and contacted officials concerning their plight.

Hmm...I wonder if the Mormons present at this BYU conference discussed one of their "scriptural" verses...Doctrine & Covenants 134:12.

I mean, if we all were to take the “revelations” of Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon church, seriously then these 60 Thais while they were being enslaved would not be eligible for the Mormon “gospel.”

How can that be?

Go back to mid-1835. Smith is churning out new “Scripture.” Smith is taking aim at new converts. But in that time, did he believe the Mormon “gospel” to be aimed at slaves? (No, not unless express “permission” was granted by their “owners”). This is what Smith portends to be the Mormon god's view on these slaves:

”We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.” (Joseph Smith, D&C 134:12, still in the Mormon standard works of what they regard to be "scripture" still applicable today)

D&C 134:12 is LDS “Doctrine” that has never been removed or rescinded!!! This passages makes it quite clear – in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--somehow, LDS think that "religious freedom" applies to everyone except slaves!

I mean, imagine if you will, for a moment, that you are the God of the universe; God of every planet; God of the earth; Creator of every person. Imagine for a moment you are speaking forth universal eternal truth. And then imagine that someone claims you (as God) made the above “Scriptural” statement:

D&C 134:12, written in 1835 pro-slavery America, made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.

Could you imagine a verse still applicable today—one similar to the Mormon scripture of Doctrine & Covenants 134:12—which would tell you in effect that yes, the gospel was for women who are sexually trafficked--but only if their Pimp-owner says "Yes?" (or only if the “owner” of these Thai-slaves based in Utah said “yes”?)

D&C 134:12 "settles" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS Answer? Nope! "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.

And why not? Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the Mastuhs' business “property,” or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life...

(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)

Now what are the ultimate reasons for this again? D&C 134:12 provides the answer:

Reason #1: ...such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust... (There ya have it...wouldn't want to be "unjust" by giving slaves the gospel & baptizing them, would ya?)

Reason #2: ...and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude. (And, of course, the "closer": Wouldn't want to disturb the peace & quiet of slavery-sanctioning governments, now would ya?)

Finally, keep in mind that each Mormon, when determined by their bishop as to whether they are eligible for temple access, are asked interview questions. Q. #2 is:

Note this portion of the longest Q asked of 19th-century Mormons by their bishops: Do you speak against...any principle taught in the Bible, Book of Mormon, book of Doctrine and Covenants...

If this question had been retained in today's bishop-Mormon interviews, contemporary Mormons speaking against polygamy would have to answer, "Oh, yes, I speak against D&C 132 all the time!!!" Or, if they baptized a woman caught in the sex trafficking industry as a sex slave, they would need to say, "Oh, yes, I've directly opposed D&C 134:12!!!"

3 posted on 10/31/2010 8:26:09 AM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Colofornian

Slave Trader Traitor

4 posted on 10/31/2010 8:27:21 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: Colofornian

Its called Liberalism, and the slaves are happy to keep getting table scraps in exchange for their freedom.


5 posted on 10/31/2010 8:30:16 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Colofornian

I live in the Washington DC area where there are many prosperous people, citizens and noncitizens, who are of foreign birth. There have been quite a number of cases, some in my own town, of these people holding others captive as domestics. Several have been heavily fined and sent to prison, which is gratifying.


6 posted on 10/31/2010 8:34:59 AM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: Colofornian
SLAVERY!!!!.....

If the gov't can tax you on something you OWN(property/vehicles/land) then you are paying rent on it to the government.. Americans have been socialists for so long they don't even know what the term means anymore.. They are slaves to City/State and Federal governments..

All three governments have taken over the garden..
Its time to de-weed them ALL.. and cut back the over-growth..

7 posted on 10/31/2010 8:51:29 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Colofornian

Let’s see, we have a quarter of the population of China churning out shirts and stuffed toys for 25 cents a day.

Slaves in this country would be far more expensive.

But for some things you do need them here.


8 posted on 10/31/2010 8:53:09 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL OR REBEL! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: Colofornian

I am not a Mormon, but it is easy enough for me to see that 134:12 only applies if the government of the country they are in allows humans to be held in servitude.

Since the US does not allow slavery, this clearly does not apply to the current US...

And, it is very clear that the early Christians had no intention of fighting against slavery. If the only difference is that they allowed preaching to slaves without their master’s consent, this is pretty weak tea as a substantial difference.


9 posted on 10/31/2010 9:16:24 AM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: SeeSharp
You're right there. I'm a slave.

The Thais found that if they quit, they would lose their homes and farms and ultimately, were not paid at all after experiencing worsening conditions.

Amazing parallels with the plight of the middle class in America. If we try to quit paying confiscatory taxes to a government that increasingly blows the money on programs we don't support...our wages and property will be seized by that very same non-representative government. We too are experiencing ever-worsening conditions economically, health-care wise, national defense, and even fundamental, basic liberties. (do I need the government to tell me what kind of light bulbs, appliances, cars, toilets, etc. I can have?)

10 posted on 10/31/2010 9:17:49 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Washington DC, the downsizing begins Nov 2...)
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To: Colofornian

Identify them and deport them, prosecute those that brought them in. Case closed.


11 posted on 10/31/2010 9:26:37 AM PDT by SouthTexas (WE are the Wave - Vote Nov 2)
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To: CurlyDave
I am not a Mormon, but it is easy enough for me to see that 134:12 only applies if the government of the country they are in allows humans to be held in servitude.

The only part of D&C 134:12 which would fall under this possible interpretation is the last part, the only part where "government" is even mentioned: "dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.”

But that's not where the Mormon god giving this revelation went first. It was only a secondary consideration. His primary focus -- where he went first -- was:

...nor baptize them contrary to the will and wish of their masters...

Now do you really think the God of the universe is going to be beholden to...
...slave masters and their wishes?
...and even, secondly, slave-honoring governments?
...when it comes to receiving His gospel?

...it is very clear that the early Christians had no intention of fighting against slavery. If the only difference is that they allowed preaching to slaves without their master’s consent, this is pretty weak tea as a substantial difference.

To say early Christians didn't "fight" against slavery doesn't mean they didn't personally advocate against it. The apostle Paul's appeal in Philemon is a good example of that.

Even God "tolerated" Jews to be enslaved for a while in Egypt before arranging for a later generation's release.

Why? (Where would we understand the concept of spiritual slavery if no slaves existed in the world?)

Certainly, you misconstrue history at that time if you think Christians up until Constantine were in any position to "allow" or not "allow" anything, let alone slavery.

And, as for "pretty weak tea," I didn't realize the difference between heaven and hell was "pretty weak tea." (And here I thought the Scriptures were pretty clear on concepts like "this world is not our home" and "how we keep our eyes on heaven like pilgrims just passing through..." etc.)

12 posted on 10/31/2010 9:38:52 AM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: All
Seekers of truth,

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.

They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.

Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.

You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.

Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:

http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/

Now you will likely notice the "you never address our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.

Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you?

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

 


13 posted on 10/31/2010 9:44:19 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
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To: Paragon Defender
stop claiming
14 posted on 10/31/2010 11:42:09 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Pray for Obama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Paragon Defender

Bump what you said on post #13. Thank you.


15 posted on 10/31/2010 11:53:35 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Paragon Defender
Seekers of truth, I urge you to flee mormonism!

If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern by mormons. There's an anti-Christian group of mormons here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Christian Church They also have a missionary force of 50,000 young men that go door to door attacking Christianity and claiming to be the true church.. Most of what they believe and try to push door to door is reguritated heresy that was condemned by the Christian Church more than a thousand years ago. Mormonism is decidedly not Christian.

They have a misguided, feelings-based obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite among mormons and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. Frequently, you see this tactic employed when discussing the Trinity. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.  

They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using Christian sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. Christians have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done by mormons.

Another favorite is the "Pray and ask God if this is true tactic." This mormon tactic is to attempt to take you from the objective ground of truth in the Bible onto the subjective ground of feelings. Feelings are never the basis of truth. The reason they attempt this is simple... once you accept feelings as a basis of truth, they can get you to believe any bizzare thing their religion teaches (multiple gods, celestial sex and breeding gods, etc.).

After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.

The latest twist in the Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.

Here's a few links to get your started from a Christian viewpoint. If you are a mormon and considering leaving the religion, as so many do, these links will be of great help.

http://www.irr.org/mit/default.html
http://www.exmormonsforjesus.org/
http://4mormon.org/ex-mormon.php
http://www.exmormon.org/
http://www.mormoncurtain.com/

Now you will likely notice all kinds of whining mormon posts pop up as usual. Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you?

Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.

I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and [the real Biblical] Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.

Special thanks to Paragon non-defender for providing the template for this post.

 


16 posted on 10/31/2010 4:26:12 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: Colofornian
Modern Slavery Prevalent in U.S., BYU Conference Told

Yup...

Slaves work for no money...

17 posted on 10/31/2010 4:46:43 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CurlyDave
I am not a Mormon, but it is easy enough for me to see that 134:12 only applies if the government of the country they are in allows humans to be held in servitude.

And yet; even thought their GOD allows it; MORMONs in countries that PERMIT polygamy, are only ALLOWED one wife.

I find that strange...

18 posted on 10/31/2010 4:50:33 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
 
 Thank you.
 
You are welcome!


The Articles of Faith
of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


19 posted on 10/31/2010 4:52:33 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

The apples to apples comparison is still not there between polygamy and slavery. They are different matters. As far as I can tell, uniformity makes more sense than setting up a long list of exceptions to a rule, especially when your church membership is all over the place. The other assumption is that a religion has to base its rules on the laws of the land. Well, in all honesty, adultery is not a punishable crime anymore in the U.S., at least not directly, but that doesn’t change the Christian truth that it is actually wrong to cheat on one’s wife. Adultery in the sense that someone laid prostitutes while married in the Roman Empire, or among the Canaanite polytheists, was not a crime did not make it so.

I used to swallow all the conspiracy theory stuff about Mormonism, but eventually realized that it doesn’t take much to actually disbelieve them at all. It doesn’t take looking for a demon under every rock to show to plenty of people that it isn’t neccessarily true either.

While I may come across, as either a Mormon or a soon-to-be member of this church, I really hope that some of you wake up to how incoherent and overshooting a great deal of some of your points are, especially when some of us who disagree with you are not members of this church.


20 posted on 10/31/2010 8:32:06 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Morpheus2009
 
The other assumption is that a religion has to base its rules on the laws of the land.
 
There is NO 'assumption' when referring to MORMONism.
 
THEY are going to have to stand before a VENGEFUL couple of PERSONAGES and explain just WHY they no longer follow Their command found in D&C 132!
 



Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages,
which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort,
I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws,
and to use my influence with the members of the Church
over which I preside to have them do likewise.
 
Wilford Woodruff

President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
 
September 24th, 1890

21 posted on 11/01/2010 4:35:54 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

You conveniently fail to answer on the part of members who live in societies where polygamy is legal, if they don’t allow members to be polygamist there, they are not using the Laws of the Land as the Template in that situation.

THEY are going to have to stand before a VENGEFUL couple of PERSONAGES and explain just WHY they no longer follow Their command found in D&C 132!

Do you seriously believe in this at all? I certainly don’t, and wouldn’t bother throwing it at others for that matter! While a negative fate is possible, we should not desire it for these people, we should desire that they should come to see the light of Christ, and use Christ himself as our example in what we do. It is not easy to live the example of Jesus Christ, and it never will be. I personally would hope that you are being serviceable and the “Good Samaritan” to whatever Mormon neighbors you do have, because there are plenty of virtues to be expounded to them.

The number one criticism Jesus ever threw, especially to the Scribes and the Pharisees, was the fact that they became hypocrites, they supposedly believed in a loving God, but really only cared about the parts of the law that pleased them, or also only cared about the judging part, rather than offering people correction and an opportunity to help people turn around from going the wrong way. I don’t agree with this Church, but I very much would like to show them the nature of Christ, rather than be the person who obsesses about their condemnation. I desire the best for them, and seek it.


22 posted on 11/01/2010 9:22:36 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Morpheus2009
Do you seriously believe in this at all? I certainly don’t, and wouldn’t bother throwing it at others for that matter!

Well goody for you; but if YOU 'believe' it or not is irrelevant.

The MPORMON 'scripture' is replete with dire consequences for failing to follow what GOD has said.

Just look at THIS; directed at ONE PERSON!


 
 


 

THE
DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
SECTION 132
 
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded July 12, 1843
 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true;  
 
  
  51 Verily, I say unto you: A commandment I give unto mine handmaid, Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have given unto you, that she stay herself and partake not of that which I commanded you to offer unto her; for I did it, saith the Lord, to aprove you all, as I did Abraham, and that I might require an offering at your hand, by covenant and sacrifice.
  52 And let mine handmaid, Emma Smith, areceive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph, and who are virtuous and pure before me; and those who are not pure, and have said they were pure, shall be destroyed, saith the Lord God.
  53 For I am the Lord thy God, and ye shall obey my voice; and I give unto my servant Joseph that he shall be made ruler over many things; for he hath been afaithful over a few things, and from henceforth I will strengthen him.
  54 And I command mine handmaid, Emma Smith, to abide and acleave unto my servant Joseph, and to none else. But if she will not abide this commandment she shall be bdestroyed, saith the Lord; for I am the Lord thy God, and will destroy her if she abide not in my law.
  55 But if she will not abide this commandment, then shall my servant Joseph do all things for her, even as he hath said; and I will bless him and multiply him and give unto him an ahundredfold in this world, of fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, houses and lands, wives and children, and crowns of beternal lives in the eternal worlds.
  56 And again, verily I say, let mine handmaid aforgive my servant Joseph his trespasses; and then shall she be forgiven her trespasses, wherein she has trespassed against me; and I, the Lord thy God, will bless her, and multiply her, and make her heart to brejoice.
  
 


23 posted on 11/01/2010 12:54:21 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morpheus2009
I personally would hope that you are being serviceable and the “Good Samaritan” to whatever Mormon neighbors you do have, because there are plenty of virtues to be expounded to them.

Sorry; but if I ain't MORMON; I have NO 'virtues' that they'd be interested in.

24 posted on 11/01/2010 12:56:24 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: All
JACOB 6
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25 posted on 11/01/2010 1:15:40 PM PDT by restornu (Do unto others as you would have to do unto you! Love One Another)
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To: restornu
Yes Resty; that is a very good sample of the scrambled BIBLE verses that JS slung together to make the BoM.

Thanks for posting them.

26 posted on 11/01/2010 6:46:16 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

If you can see this with the eye of a Prophet and non-revolutionary visionary leader you will understand that Joseph Smith was acting with the same spirit of Martin Luther King. While it might seem wise to adopt a “kill em’ all” attitude toward government policy, it’s not the best position to take. Obviously there were many in the LDS community who would be willing to “mingle religious influence with civil government” but Joseph, like MLK and Gandhi understood that there where other routes. Peaceful routes, not “dangerous to the peace of every government ALLOWING human beings to be held in servitude.” He in wisdom understood that it was a Government issue that required the influence of a Government Leader, not a Religious Leader. I kindly invite all to trust and know that Joseph Smith was indeed a Prophet. And as such he was prophetic regarding the slavery issue and the Civil War (Down to the very details of where the first shot would be fired in South Carolina)D&C 130: 12-13 That was his responsibly as a Religious Leader, to Prophecy of The Civil War, not to start it. That calling and responsibility would come to Abraham Lincoln; a Government Leader. So, this is actually the essence of the above scripture you referenced. Separation of Church and State is and always has been essential to peace; our Founding Fathers knew this, Joseph Smith knew this and I get a feeling that you know this as well. Perhaps your statement is not really about slavery at all, but simply an opportunity to slam Joseph Smith. It’s OK, he can take it; he was treated that way in life, why not in death? Has that not been the lot of all The Prophets? Of Jesus Christ himself? Peace.


27 posted on 09/10/2011 9:33:27 AM PDT by narayanyaj
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To: narayanyaj; Zakeet; Godzilla; P-Marlowe; Elsie; greyfoxx39
If you can see this with the eye of a Prophet and non-revolutionary visionary leader you will understand that Joseph Smith was acting with the same spirit of Martin Luther King. While it might seem wise to adopt a “kill em’ all” attitude toward government policy, it’s not the best position to take. Obviously there were many in the LDS community who would be willing to “mingle religious influence with civil government” but Joseph, like MLK and Gandhi understood that there where other routes. Peaceful routes, not “dangerous to the peace of every government ALLOWING human beings to be held in servitude.” He in wisdom understood that it was a Government issue that required the influence of a Government Leader, not a Religious Leader. I kindly invite all to trust and know that Joseph Smith was indeed a Prophet. And as such he was prophetic regarding the slavery issue...

Well, let's look at how "prophetic" Smith was re: blacks re: slavery, shall we?

Joseph Smith’s position on slavery, 1836-1843:

April, 1836: Messenger& Advocate, pp. 299-301: If those who run through the free states, exciting their indignation against our brothers of the South, feel so much sympathy and kindness towards the blacks, were to go to the southern states, where the alleged evil exists, and warn those who are guilty of these enormous crimes, to repent and turn from their wickedness, or would purchase the slaves and then set them at liberty, we should have no objections to this provided they would place them upon some other continent than ours… What benefit can the slave derive from the long harangues and discussions held in the north? Certainly the people of the north have no legal right to interfere with the PROPERTY of the south, neither have they a right to say they shall, or shall not, hold slaves (Joseph Smith, Messenger & Advocate, p. 299) .

Tell us, Narayanyaj, if Smith was speaking as a "prophet" of the Mormon gods...does the Mormon gods regard slaves as mere "property?" Really?

April, 1836: If we dislike slavery we are free from it and are in no danger of being afflicted with it. If they are satisfied with it, it is their right as governments…Where can be the common sense of any wishing to see the slaves of the south set at liberty, is past our comprehension. Such a thing could not take place without corrupting all civil and wholesome society, of both the north and the south! Let the blacks of the south be free, and our community is overrun with paupers, and a reckless mass of human beings, uncultivated, untaught and unaccustomed to provide for themselves the necessaries of life-endangering the chastity of every female who might by chance be found in our streets-our prisons filled with convicts, and the hang-man wearied with executing the functions of his office! This must unavoidably be the case, every rational man must admit, who have ever travelled [traveled] in the slave states, or we must open our houses, unfold our arms, and bid these degraded and degrading sons of Canaan, a hearty welcome and a free admittance to all we possess! (Smith, Messenger & Advocate, p. 300)

Wow! You call the above "prophetic utterances" as of the Mormon gods? What? Are you as racist as Joseph Smith clearly shows there?  

More Joseph Smith: …we are not accountable for their conduct-they have long since fled to be here no more: and why disgrace ourselves by contending about that that we cannot better by contention, at the same time involving ourselves in everlasting ruin? In this matter we consider we have spoken in behalf of the slave, as well as the slave holder. It has not been a thing of hasty conclusion; but deliberately and carefully examined, and we are sensible, if there are any who believe the gospel as we, and differ from us in point of national government, and would take the pains to inform themselves, not only by searching the holy scriptures, but by visiting the south, they would soon commend us for the course we have now taken. (Smith, Messenger & Advocate, p. 301)

May 6 or 7, 1838: "Are the Mormons abolitionists?" No...we do not believe in setting the negroes free." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 120, published 1938)

Jan. 2, 1843 : Later in the same book, pp. 269-270 under the sub-heading "Status of the Negro": "Elder Hyde inquired the situation of the negro. I replied, they came into the world slaves, mentally and physically." (p. 269) p. 270: "Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species, and put them on a national equalization."

Smith not only supported slavery, but the above quotes show the Lds founder and precious "prophet" was racist to the core.

How shameful of you to defend such a racist on these very grounds!

28 posted on 09/12/2011 5:47:48 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Modern Slavery Prevalent in U.S., BYU Conference Told

No, Ma'am; we're not slaves. We do this freely.


29 posted on 09/12/2011 5:21:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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