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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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A blessed NEW reformed worship song
1 posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:24 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Dutchboy88; Iscool; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; editor-surveyor; metmom; boatbums; Quix; ...
"Unless I am convinced by proofs from Scriptures or by plain and clear reasons and arguments, I can and will not retract, for it is neither safe nor wise to do anything against conscience. Here I stand. I can do no other. God help me. Amen."
Martin Luther
2 posted on 10/31/2010 12:03:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7

HAPPY ‘Truth Revealed’ Day.

“For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.”


3 posted on 10/31/2010 12:05:38 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: RnMomof7

So, according to that quote of Luther,reason alone could suffice .


4 posted on 10/31/2010 12:14:18 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: RnMomof7

No way - Rubio all the way!


5 posted on 10/31/2010 12:15:31 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

Correct...also, Luther made himself pope......

This is so lame. Imagine if you disobyed the laws of the land...didn’t pay tazes, etc...and used Luther’s argument...unless I can be convinced from the Constitution alone...I will not obey. Sounds nice but it is actually personal rebellion.

When the peasants of Northern Germany wanted the same for themselves...Luther, siding with German authorities slaughtered them en masse.

Luther = very evil man


6 posted on 10/31/2010 12:22:45 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: RnMomof7

This is one of my faves, for all time. Hopefully it will be played at my ‘funeral’ celebration.


7 posted on 10/31/2010 12:30:43 PM PDT by grame (May you know more of the love of God Almighty this day!)
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To: Tribemike1
"Luther, siding with German authorities slaughtered them en masse."

Luther began the movement away from Jesus and the Gospels that was accelerated under Calvin. Reformation meant that the Letters of Paul replaced the Gospel as the primary revelation of the new and Everlasting Covenant. One need only read Luther's writings on Jews to know he was not truly a man of God. Surely God would not have chosen such a flawed vessel to bring new meaning to Christianity.

8 posted on 10/31/2010 12:45:22 PM PDT by Natural Law ("opera Christi non deficiunt, sed proficiunt")
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To: grame
This is one of my faves, for all time. Hopefully it will be played at my ‘funeral’ celebration.

One of mine as well... I too would like this along with amazing grace at mine..

9 posted on 10/31/2010 1:07:13 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7

Wonderful example of some of the good music in modern hymnody.


10 posted on 10/31/2010 1:16:45 PM PDT by Gamecock ( Christianity is not the movement from vice to virtue, but from virtue to Grace.)
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To: Tribemike1
Correct...also, Luther made himself pope......

Thee is no such thing as a pope.. that is false doctrine

This is so lame. Imagine if you disobyed the laws of the land...didn’t pay tazes, etc...and used Luther’s argument...unless I can be convinced from the Constitution alone...I will not obey. Sounds nice but it is actually personal rebellion.

Luther wanted a hearing in the church to discuss the false doctrine that had overrun Rome.. He wanted the church returned to its biblical roots.. The Jews thought Christ was rebelling.. would you agree with them?

When the peasants of Northern Germany wanted the same for themselves...Luther, siding with German authorities slaughtered them en masse.

Citing the New Testament, Luther argued that Christians must "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" meaning that in temporal affairs God expects Christians to obey those in authority , no matter how tyrannical their rule. ... his principle is still a matter of discussion in the church today

Luther = very evil man

And Luther smiles

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

11 posted on 10/31/2010 1:19:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: Natural Law

Can you tell me what the gospel even is?


12 posted on 10/31/2010 1:20:26 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7

This is your best shot?

All my statements stand...the peasants wanted to follow the dictates of their conscience just like Luther and he betrayed them. Luther also said, “sin boldly...” and was licentious, and crazy. He couldn’t get along with anyone but himself....and if you disagreed with him, you were assigned to the flames.

“Reformation” day is a joke...it is rebellion day and continues to this day.


13 posted on 10/31/2010 1:28:09 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: RnMomof7
"Can you tell me what the gospel even is?"

Unlike the Catholic belief that the Gospel is the record of the life and teachings of Jesus, it is a nearly meaningless theological footnote to the Paulywogs. Written exclusively for the Jews, the gospel requires extensive editing, reinterpretation, and redaction in order to fit the theology of the "reformation".

14 posted on 10/31/2010 1:36:01 PM PDT by Natural Law ("opera Christi non deficiunt, sed proficiunt")
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To: Tribemike1; RnMomof7
“Reformation” day is a joke...it is rebellion day and continues to this day.

"If a wise man contendeth with a foolish man, whether he rage or laugh, there is no rest." -- Proverbs 29:9

So, you just signed up last month. Have you posted under any other name?

15 posted on 10/31/2010 1:50:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: RnMomof7
Amen!

Notice that the papists hurl scorn in place of Scriptural arguments supporting their superstitions.

Following "another Christ" and "other Mediators" and a "co-redeemer" only leads to frustration and remorse.

Thank God for the Reformation.

Post Tenebras Lux.

16 posted on 10/31/2010 1:53:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Amen


17 posted on 10/31/2010 1:59:24 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

This verse is quite apt for Luther, thanks


18 posted on 10/31/2010 2:00:14 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7; wmfights; presently no screen name; Gamecock
RNMOMOF7: "Can you tell me what the gospel even is?"

NATURAL LAW: Unlike the Catholic belief that the Gospel is the record of the life and teachings of Jesus...

But that is clearly not the entirety of what is meant by "the Gospel." Christ Himself referenced "the Gospel" while He was still alive. Therefore, "the Gospel" cannot be a "record of the life and teachings of Jesus" since His life and teachings had not yet been completed.

"Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the kingdom of God,

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the Gospel." -- Mark 1:14-15

Therefore Rome teaches an incomplete Gospel. No doubt because Rome does not recognize nor understand "the Gospel of the kingdom of God."

Christians really should know "the Gospel" if they presume themselves to be among His family. Read your Bible, Natural Law. God willing, He will show you "what the gospel even is."

19 posted on 10/31/2010 2:04:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Tribemike1

Post Tenebras Lux.

Pray for eyes to see. Papist superstitions obscure the grace of God.


20 posted on 10/31/2010 2:05:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Natural Law
Christians really should know "the Gospel" if they presume themselves to be among His family. Read your Bible, Natural Law. God willing, He will show you "what the gospel even is.

Amen

Jesus preached the gospel and sent His men out to preach it..so the gospel existed long before the books we call the gospels were written

Can any Catholic tell us what the Good News that Jesus taught and that was taught by the apostles is?

21 posted on 10/31/2010 2:09:27 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: RnMomof7
Can any Catholic tell us what the Good News that Jesus taught and that was taught by the apostles is?

Asked and not answered countless times.

What do they teach people in those RC churches if not the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

The gospel of Mary? The gospel of Saints? The gospel of works? The gospel of popes?

22 posted on 10/31/2010 2:18:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Tribemike1

It was the beginning of the long slide into the dark abyss that we see in protestantism today.

After all, if Luther can claim that he need only follow his conscience, then Luther’s followers can do the same, and so naturally the non-stop “reformation” began, creating millions of popes - each man his own.


23 posted on 10/31/2010 2:18:19 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding; RnMomof7

All reason that is founded on Scripture is true.

All reason founded on the doctrines of men is false.


24 posted on 10/31/2010 2:20:29 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

The Reformation gave us rampant divorce, rampant homosexualism, and rampant promiscuity due to the reformed churches’ absolute acceptance and promotion of birth control.

Enjoy your party while you can.


25 posted on 10/31/2010 2:20:44 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

1. But that is not what Luther said.

2. Your second line is not true; the bible does not address many things that we can easily know through reason alone, but this does not mean that such things are false. Perhaps you ought to say “All reason contradicting Scripture is false.”


26 posted on 10/31/2010 2:24:28 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

You nailed it...also, Calvinism leads to atheism...see Holland, England...New England...they flop to Unitarianism, then chuck it all.

Ever see the “reformed” go at each other? It is something....watch a 4-pointer try to prove he’s really a Calvinist and not an Amyraldian or whatever....

They have “versions” of Calvinism based on supralapsarian, infralapsarian philosophy....the only model that is consistent is the supra-lapsarian one where God elects befor the Fall...creates evil, all of it...and presets outcomes...pleads with predestined damned souls to love him...it is ridiculous.

Most protestants are 3-4 points on the TULIP scale which is completely illogical...you are either 5 points or none. God electing after the Fall means God is finite and learning as he goes.

Protestantism is not another means by which it is possible to please God...note what I said...I did not say Protestants are going to Hell...I just say their self - styled methods, multiplying sects and approaches...are not pleasing to God


27 posted on 10/31/2010 2:25:27 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: Tribemike1

Blame Paul.


28 posted on 10/31/2010 2:28:09 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Notwithstanding; RnMomof7; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; wmfights; ...
if Luther can claim that he need only follow his conscience

Luther presupposed that God renews the conscience of those who are His.

"I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost" -- Romans 9:1

Roman Catholics don't read the bible so it's understandable they would not know this fact.

"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- Titus 3:5

29 posted on 10/31/2010 2:28:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Notwithstanding
Perhaps you ought to say “All reason contradicting Scripture is false.”

Reason does not contradict Scripture.

All knowledge is not contained in the Bible, but all the knowledge God wants us to know regarding salvation and our position in His universe is contained in the Bible.

And even this Rome gets wrong.

30 posted on 10/31/2010 2:31:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Notwithstanding; RnMomof7
The Reformation gave us rampant divorce, rampant homosexualism, and rampant promiscuity due to the reformed churches’ absolute acceptance and promotion of birth control.

lol. Rome has done more than its part to devalue human life. "Annulments" of marriages, even those marriages with children, are commonplace.

Rome is rife with homosexuality due to its "celibate" priestcraft.

And Roman Catholics practice the same birth control Protestants do. They just feel guilty for it.

31 posted on 10/31/2010 2:36:47 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: beezdotcom

Blame Paul for what? He is an Apostle....and Peter says we should listen to him....he also notes who will not enter the Kingdom of God in 1Cor 6....


32 posted on 10/31/2010 2:44:14 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; RnMomof7; wmfights; presently no screen name; Gamecock; kosta50; Cronos; MarkBsnr; ..
"But that is clearly not the entirety of what is meant by "the Gospel.""

Of course it isn't, but then again I haven't seen any evidence that you Pauliwogs have any interest in the entirety of the Revealed Word of God.

Christ Himself referenced "the Gospel" while He was still alive. Therefore, "the Gospel" cannot be a "record of the life and teachings of Jesus"...."

I am not surprised that your limited acceptance and bastardized interpretation of Scripture would leave your understanding of the Revealed Word deficient. Jesus didn't make up his life and teachings as he went along like Calvin or the other so-called reformers. He was the Incarnate Word that was present from the beginning of time. Every bit as much as He knew what fate awaited Him in Jerusalem and that He would rise again in three days He knew the entire Gospel from the beginning of time.

Give up the false messages of Calvinism and embrace an omnipotent, omniscient, timeless, infinitely perfect God.

33 posted on 10/31/2010 2:49:30 PM PDT by Natural Law ("opera Christi non deficiunt, sed proficiunt")
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To: Natural Law; Dr. Eckleburg
you Pauliwogs now that's a tad polemic
34 posted on 10/31/2010 3:00:02 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Tribemike1

I’m simply saying that, whether intended or not, he helped create a certain “sectiness” by planting so many churches that had the opportunity to grow independently after he left them and sometimes drift on certain specific issues. Yes, he frequently corrected them and admonished them from time to time - but it was always needing to be done. Even though things became more doctrinally centralized as the Church grew (and knit the geographical gaps together), I sometimes wonder if the pattern wasn’t set for later years.


35 posted on 10/31/2010 3:02:17 PM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: 1000 silverlings

That reminds me of what said God to Himself before He created Eve: rib it.

(I think I’m gonna croak.)


36 posted on 10/31/2010 3:23:01 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: 1000 silverlings
"you Pauliwogs"

now that's a tad polemic

ROTFLOLOL!

37 posted on 10/31/2010 3:26:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law; RnMomof7; wmfights; presently no screen name; Gamecock
DR.E: "But that is clearly not the entirety of what is meant by "the Gospel."

NL: Of course it isn't

Then your earlier definition is incorrect since, according to you, it is insufficient.

So, what is the Gospel?

38 posted on 10/31/2010 3:31:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Happy reformation day to you as well. Always disappointed to see the religious bigotry and hatred from our friends here. On the other hand it confirms that the ignorance and corruption that Luther saw and acted on in his day has not gone away. Without the reformation I think some here would be warming up the old stake again.


39 posted on 10/31/2010 3:34:14 PM PDT by strongbow
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To: Tribemike1; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7
Blame Paul for what? He is an Apostle....and Peter says we should listen to him.

Tell that to your Roman Catholic compatriots. They think otherwise, per here...

GAMECOCK'S FASCINATING HOMEPAGE

40 posted on 10/31/2010 3:35:25 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: strongbow
Always disappointed to see the religious bigotry and hatred from our friends here. On the other hand it confirms that the ignorance and corruption that Luther saw and acted on in his day has not gone away

AMEN!. Semper Reformanda!

Without the reformation I think some here would be warming up the old stake again.

No kidding.

"The Holy Inquisition in its full vigor is something modernity sorely lacks" -- 328 posted on 08/01/2008 4:59:56 PM PDT by annalex

41 posted on 10/31/2010 3:38:51 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Natural Law
Pauliwogs and bastardized interpretation of Scripture??? You aren't trolling Protestant threads again, are you?
42 posted on 10/31/2010 3:50:20 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: Notwithstanding; Dr. Eckleburg
The Reformation gave us rampant divorce, rampant homosexualism, and rampant promiscuity due to the reformed churches’ absolute acceptance and promotion of birth control.

LOL LOL...how foolish an argument, if you want a serious discussion of doctrine we could talk..but throwing insults against the wall to see what sticks is foolishness..

A year after the Pope proclaimed the teaching on contraception unchanged and unchangeable in the Humanae Vitae encyclical on July 29, 1968, 44% of Catholic women of childbearing age who were regular churchgoers were using artificial contraception....

By 1974, 83% of Catholics said that they disagreed with Humanae Vitae, and many prominent theologians and bishops dissented. By 1980, over 75% of Catholic women in the US had used artifical contraception, and only a third of US priests believed that it was immoral.

The Center of Disease Control and Prevention 2002 National Survey of Family Growth revealed that 97% of American Catholic women over age 18 have used a banned form of contraception, which is the same percentage as the general population.

The hypocrisy of the claim of immorality because of birth control does bite back
http://stanford.edu/class/humbio129s/cgi-bin/blogs/feministlens/2009/05/14/how-many-catholics-follow-the-vaticans-ban-on-contraception/

The claim of rampant homosexuality among non Catholics is laughable as is the accusation of increased divorce ...look around yourself next time you are in church ...

43 posted on 10/31/2010 4:00:46 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: Notwithstanding

lol, good one


44 posted on 10/31/2010 4:05:19 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
"So, what is the Gospel?"

I long ago gave up on trying to have a legitimate discussion with you and have taken a policy to no longer feed the trolls.

45 posted on 10/31/2010 4:06:16 PM PDT by Natural Law ("opera Christi non deficiunt, sed proficiunt")
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To: Tribemike1
You nailed it...also, Calvinism leads to atheism...see Holland, England...New England...they flop to Unitarianism, then chuck it all.

...LOL
By this reasoning Catholicism actually leads to atheism because protestantism came out of Catholicism...so the root cause must be Rome

46 posted on 10/31/2010 4:10:04 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: Natural Law
Quite amazing, isn't it that they do not know the Gospel? And isn't it wonderful, that as Catholics we hear the Gospels every day?

Matthew

Chapters:
Introduction, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28


Mark

Chapters:
Introduction, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16


Luke

Chapters:
Introduction, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24


John

Chapters:
Introduction, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21

47 posted on 10/31/2010 4:13:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: boatbums
"You aren't trolling Protestant threads again, are you?"

No, only responding when some loon mischaracterizes or lies about the teachings of "Rome". (Some can't even be honest about the name by which they call the Church). If the threads remain honest about the Church then I have no reason to be here or care what you believe or discuss. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll need to chime in frequently.

48 posted on 10/31/2010 4:13:42 PM PDT by Natural Law ("opera Christi non deficiunt, sed proficiunt")
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Tribemike1; Gamecock; 1000 silverlings; RnMomof7; Judith Anne; Natural Law; ...
GAMECOCK'S FASCINATING HOMEPAGE

Hey Gamecock, while you are spreading false information about me on your home page, why don't you throw in Thomas Jefferson (yes, the President), who called Paul the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus" on your "Catholic anti-Paul rant list"? I can't imagine what gave you the idea to list my quotes as "FR Catholic?" Please, if you are going to use my quotes (by all means—spread the world, please!), do so correctly, under a separate title "Scriptural truth brought to you by an FR Agnostic"? :)

49 posted on 10/31/2010 4:23:28 PM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Natural Law
If the threads remain honest about the Church then I have no reason to be here or care what you believe or discuss.

I'm wondering what "lie about the teaching of Rome" had come up when you first piped up on post #8? The original thread was about praising the Lord in song.

50 posted on 10/31/2010 4:27:29 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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