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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: wagglebee; OLD REGGIE; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus
1. Mary, the mother of God
2. Mary, the wife of Cleophas (and presumably the sister of the Blessed Mother, though it is possible that the sister is a fourth woman who is not named) and the mother of James and Joses
3. Mary Magdalene

... Matthew 27:56 speaks of yet ANOTHER woman since it also mentions the mother of the sons of Zebedee

Thank you.

4,101 posted on 12/01/2010 7:54:07 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: boatbums; Natural Law
I agree, in fact, what our FRiend NL is espousing is what the Jehovah Witnesses believe. That souls do not face eternity suffering in hell, but are annihilated. It is also very curiously close to the concept of becoming one with the universe and losing all sense or knowledge of self - ceasing to really exist - that is held by Buddhism and Hinduism.

What's that about Catholicism having only one doctrine?

I wonder if he was taught that in some Catholic church where he was poorly catechized.

4,102 posted on 12/01/2010 7:56:06 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: annalex; metmom
but it is reasonable that she did.

'Reasonable' means you are leaning unto your own understanding. God's Word clearly states that she had other children. Do you think you know more than God by use of your reason?

If the RCC didn't teach you that - you would never believe it on your own. That's something you can use 'reason' on.
4,103 posted on 12/01/2010 8:02:41 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: kosta50

“Without going into too much detail, Eze 28 is about the king of Tyre, not Satan, and Isa 14 is about the king and deity of Babylon. It was Jerome (6th century) who invented the term “Lucifer” for Helel (Babylonian deity, the Morning Star).”

The passage, Ezekiel 28:11-19, deals at length with Satan and his relation to that age. In this passage, Satan is given the title “The King of Tyrus.” Like the Messianic Psalms (cf. Ps. 45 which moves from a description of an earthly king to a description of a divine Messiah) wherein the psalmist apparently is referring to himself, though statements are made and conditions described that could be connected only with the Messiah, the Son of God so here that which is addressed to “The King of Tyrus” is, by its character, seen to be a direct reference to the person of Satan. Tyre at the time of the prophecy was under a prolonged siege by Nebuchadnezzar and its people were abandoning the island, the city on land having been totally destroyed. No similar person to whom this description could apply is revealed in the Scriptures. In the previous as well as the following chapters of Ezekiel the final judgment of Jehovah is pronounced upon the enemies of His chosen people. Satan is numbered among these enemies in 1 Chronicles 21:1; hence he naturally appears in this list.

In verse 15 it is stated that he was created perfect, and in verse 13 that perfection is set forth in detail by the suggestive symbols of precious gems. He among all created beings was also “full of wisdom,” “perfect in beauty,” filling up the sum of perfection. In verse 14 he is called the “anointed cherub that covereth.” While Satan doubtless exercised some authority in the earth over the primal creation, the evident meaning of this verse is that Satan was created as a guard or protector to the throne of the Most High. Like the golden cherubim, covering the visible mercy seat in the Holy of Holies of the earthly tabernacle, he was created a guard and covering cherub to the heavenly center of glory. It is expressly stated that he was located by the Most High upon the holy mountain of God, the mountain of God being a symbol of the center of God’s power, government, and eternal throne (Pss. 48:1; 68:15; Isa. 2:2). He is said also to have been in “Eden the garden of God,” which is evidently another Eden than that in which Satan appeared as a serpent, The Eden of Genesis was one of verdure and cosmic beauty, while this is an Eden of “stones of fire.” No king of Tyrus was ever in either of the Edens mentioned in the Bible. The title belongs most evidently to Satan. The whole passage suggests a position of great authority for which he was created and anointed; a position from which he fell, drawing with him a host of beings over whom he had governing influence and power.

He was created perfect, or was a perfect fulfillment of the Creator’s intention. Satan was a free moral agent, capable of choosing evil but not obliged to do so. That he chose evil must ever be to his own condemnation, for the Creator had surrounded him with sufficient motives for choosing the good. Christ said of him, “He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth.” It thus is revealed that Satan began in the truth, but afterward turned to a state in which Christ could go on to say of him, “There is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is liar, and the father of it” (John 8:44). The crime of Satan is revealed partly in verse 16 “By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned:” and this followed by a description of his final judgment as it is predicted the Book of Revelation.

His crime is clearly set forth in Isaiah 14:12-20. It should be noted that at the time of this prophecy Babylon was a vassal of Assyria with an Assyrian governor. It posed no threat to Judah/Israel. Assyria was attacking Syria/Israel/Judah at the time of the prophecy. The prophet’s vision of Satan, here recorded, is from the time of his final judgment, and the prophet is looking backward over Satan’s entire career. Much that is still future is therefore referred to as though it were past. Two aspects of Satan’s present activity are considered: He is seen first to be seeking to establish authority for himself, and then he is seen to be the promoter of confusion and terror in the earth. He said, “I will exalt my throne above the stars of God,” and it also is said of him: “Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?”

The crime of Satan is concisely stated in the fourteenth verse as purposing in his heart to become like the Most High. He became conceited about his beauty; he who was created and placed as the “Covering Cherub,” with the high honor of guarding the throne of God, corrupted his wisdom by reason of his brightness. He struck at the throne which he was set to protect. There could be but one Most High, and the purpose of Satan to become like Him could, naturally, be nothing less than an attempt to dethrone the Almighty.

Satan was the first being to manifest a will opposed to the will of God.
“I will ascend into heaven.”
“I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.”
“I will sit also upon the mount.”
“I will ascend above the heights of the clouds.”
“I will be like the most High.”

The secret purpose in his heart reveals his method to be not a violent attack upon the throne, to steal the hearts of the unfaithful in the kingdom, and, through subtlety, to gain a kingdom for himself. He would thus become an object of worship and attract attention from other beings to himself. To accomplish this, a hindering attitude had to be assumed toward the purpose and projects of the Most High. No adequate appreciation can be formed of Satan’s present projects and devices, and the motive that prompts them, without a clear understanding of his age-abiding attitude toward the person of God.

Here are just some of the passages concerning Satan’s fall from. It is important to distinguish Satan’s yet future physical banishment out of heaven from his moral fall. He undoubtedly fell morally at the moment of his sin, but his position throughout the ages, or until the return of the King, is in heaven. From this high position he has access both to God and to the earth.

1. Ezekiel 28:16: “Thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God.”
This prediction of judgment, with others which follow in the context and with which this casting out is associated, are predictions of the yet future judgments which are to fall upon Satan when he is banished to the pit and to the lake of fire. This passage does not teach that Satan was cast out of heaven at the time of his sin and as an immediate judgment for his sin.

2. Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, 0 Lucifer, son of the morning!”
This Scripture, as has been stated, is also a description of that final judgment which is to be at the end of Satan’s career.

3. Job 1:6: “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.”
The passage discloses his position in heaven and also reveals the fact that, in the days of Job, Satan was free to come and go in the earth.

4. Luke 22:31, 32: “And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you [obtained thee by asking], that he may sift you as wheat.”
From this Scripture Satan still had unchallenged access to the presence of God in the day when this was spoken.

5. Ephesians 6:11, 12: “Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles [strategies] of the devil. For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the
principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places”.
According to the Scriptures, throughout this age the believer must be prepared to war against a “spiritual host of wickedness in the heavenly places.” The contributing evidence of this passage is to the effect that Satan is not yet cast out of heaven.

There is another revelation concerning Satan’s present position in which it is declared that he now has access to the earth. “Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom withstand stedfast in your faith” (1 Peter 5:8, 9). To this may also be added the revelation disclosed in the letter to the church at Pergamos: “I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan’s seat [throne) is” (Rev. 2:13).
From these passages the position of Satan in heaven and his freedom to go to and fro in the earth has not changed since the days of Job.

6. Revelation 12:7-9: “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was there place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
This is the first passage in the Word of God which declares Satan to be actually banished from heaven. The passage also teaches that Satan remains in heaven until the time herein described. According to the context it is that yet future time immediately preceding the setting up in the earth of the kingdom of God and the power of His Christ.

7. Luke 10:18: “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
This was a prophetic utterance on the part of Christ, rather than a statement of history. The seventy had just returned with joy saying, “Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.” There is no question concerning the sufficiency of the power of God over Satan. It is only a question as to when that power will be exercised. The experience of power over devils by the seventy was only a suggestion to the mind of Christ of the mighty power which would yet be displayed in banishing Satan and his hosts from the heavenly sphere.


4,104 posted on 12/01/2010 8:04:33 PM PST by blue-duncan
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To: MarkBsnr; RnMomof7
Not only do you guys usurp the Judgement of Christ upon yourselves, for yourselves, but for others as well?

Just like the Catholic church does when it says that salvation is found in the Catholic church alone, that outside the Catholic church there is no salvation.

Catholics are then sitting in judgment on non-Catholics concerning their eternal destiny, the very thing Catholics condemn Protestants for.

So, it's OK for Catholics to do it but not Protestants?

Funny about that.

4,105 posted on 12/01/2010 8:12:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: stfassisi; presently no screen name

What would you say about Jesus when he called the pharisees *white washed tombs* or when He drove the money changers out of the temple?

Imagine the fallout if some Protestant or Evangelical pastor went into a Catholic church bingo hall or church bazaar and drove people out with whips for gambling as part of a church sanctioned event.


4,106 posted on 12/01/2010 8:16:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; annalex
You either believe the Church or form your own theories.

Believing the Bible isn't an option for Catholics, then, eh?

Seems you hit the nail on the head, metmom. By their own words - for them it's either believe their church or form your own theories.

Protestantism is the gateway lie to a complete loss of faith.

And we are believers in God's Word. There it is - Hatred for God's Word - saying it's a lie to a complete loss of faith. If that isn't from the pit of hell, what is. As we all know, satan hates the Word and distorted it. And kissing the Koran/evil is considered love. Talk about an upside down church. What is good is considered evil and what is evil is considered good.

The Catholics need to be assigned their own back room for devil worship, IMO.
4,107 posted on 12/01/2010 8:28:29 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: annalex

Mary, the mother of JESUS.


4,108 posted on 12/01/2010 8:29:26 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: annalex; metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Her womb was the true tabernacle, after all, something not to be touched.

That is downright pornographic and perverted.

Have you taken a biology course to know what happens in that area of a young woman each month?

Now take a look at Leviticus 15:19-31. Let me summarize. Most of these passages have to do with a woman at that time of flow:

Lev 15:19-21 If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood, she shall be set apart seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything that she lies on during her impurity shall be unclean; also everything that she sits on shall be unclean.
And it keeps going on and on about all that is unclean just because of her blood. We even have regulations about a "discharge" that lasts for "many days". Its all covered here. After this cycle, she is still unclean for seven more days and on the eighth must take a couple birds to the priest, one as a sin offering to make atonement for her before the LORD for the discharge of her uncleanness.

And we aren't done there, here is the kicker:

Lev 15:31-32 "Thus you shall separate the children of Israel from their uncleanness, lest they die in their uncleanness when they defile My tabernacle that is among them. This is the law for one who has a discharge...

Did you get that? What you propose is that Mary each month defiles the "tabernacle" under the penalty of death. [insert cheap-shot at RCC over the perversity that comes out of a bunch of men who never knew a woman who now dream up new Traditions]

4,109 posted on 12/01/2010 8:31:12 PM PST by The Theophilus
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To: metmom; annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; ...

> “Her womb was the true tabernacle, after all, something not to be touched.”

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Not according to Jesus Christ:

Luke 11:
[27] And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

[28] But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
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4,110 posted on 12/01/2010 8:31:53 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Quix

Another good one. LOL!! ....or a cool breeze will come your way.


4,111 posted on 12/01/2010 8:32:13 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name

YUP.
LOL.


4,112 posted on 12/01/2010 8:37:25 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: The Theophilus; annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

Oh, but that’s from God’s word, and catholics have no association with that worthless drivel...
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4,113 posted on 12/01/2010 8:42:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: metmom; stfassisi
Imagine the fallout if some Protestant or Evangelical pastor went into a Catholic church bingo hall or church bazaar and drove people out with whips for gambling as part of a church sanctioned event.

Headlines next day is the catholic gazette: Bible believers show NO LOVE!
4,114 posted on 12/01/2010 8:45:30 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: editor-surveyor
Amen and exactly. If ever there was a chance for Mary to receive the adulation and veneration the RCC believes she deserves, it was at this point. Jesus Christ could have said "Yea, blessed is My mother." But He did not. The RCC Mary doctrine falls apart at this passage of Scripture. Or should.

Either He did not realize she was worthy of worship, or she was not worthy of worship.

Attention RCs who love to read just the red words in the Bible: read Luke 11:27,28. Christ said those words in verse 28. How do you possibly reconcile what He said to what you believe?

4,115 posted on 12/01/2010 8:48:17 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Muslims are our enemies. How would you show them that you are Christian?


Tell them the Gospel.

I would NOT kiss their book.
If I bowed down and kissed their book it would be the same as telling them their allah is great and deserved to be revered or exalted. Their allah is not great , their allah does not deserve to be exalted.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

I am not a child of bondage that should bow down to their idol.

Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

1Jn 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.


4,116 posted on 12/01/2010 8:49:32 PM PST by Lera
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To: The Theophilus

It is difficult sometimes to read some of the posters comments about how they see Mary.....it’s like someone obsessing over a woman they can never have but dream about in their fantasies...and that with religious overtones in order to justify the infatuation. They really do go overboard IMO.


4,117 posted on 12/01/2010 8:55:44 PM PST by caww
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To: presently no screen name

I can’t imagine kissing a book filled with lies straight from the pit of hell.

***shudder***


4,118 posted on 12/01/2010 8:56:44 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: caww

Thought I’d ‘ph’ you since you are convenient.


4,119 posted on 12/01/2010 8:59:06 PM PST by xone
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To: Natural Law; presently no screen name; OLD REGGIE; getoffmylawn
It's almost as believable as "Biblical Flatutarian?"

So THAT'S what those Latin words mean in your tagline!!! ;o)

4,120 posted on 12/01/2010 8:59:31 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: xone

Ok...I consider myself “ph’d”


4,121 posted on 12/01/2010 9:02:48 PM PST by caww
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To: The Theophilus

Time now for a RCC adjustment to Mary doctrine and claim she never had a cycle which made her unclean.

Interesting, isn’t it, that the offering by the young woman was a SIN offering?


4,122 posted on 12/01/2010 9:02:53 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

> “I can’t imagine kissing a book filled with lies straight from the pit of hell.”

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But to catholics they are brothers in Satan; the catechism is also a book filled with lies from the pit of hell.
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4,123 posted on 12/01/2010 9:07:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: annalex

“But Jesus did a lot of miracles that showed supernatural ability before His resurrection. He did, for example, walk on water.”

Well yes, I can see how that would prove beyond doubt that Mary remained ever virgin....yes, of course....bit thick of me not to see that.....who wouldn’t, right?


4,124 posted on 12/01/2010 9:08:09 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: smvoice
Amen and exactly. If ever there was a chance for Mary to receive the adulation and veneration the RCC believes she deserves, it was at this point. Jesus Christ could have said "Yea, blessed is My mother." But He did not. The RCC Mary doctrine falls apart at this passage of Scripture. Or should.

You're right. That was the place for Jesus to bexalt His mother if that's what He wanted or thought was appropriate. What that woman said sounds SOOOOO Catholic, like in the Hail Mary, and Jesus, instead of commending her for it, shoots her down.

4,125 posted on 12/01/2010 9:10:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I can’t imagine kissing a book filled with lies straight from the pit of hell.

It's repulsive even to think about it. If I didn't see the picture myself - I wouldn't believe it if some one told me.

To kill the infidels and a place in heaven w/72 virgins. Hmmm - the RCC and the Muslims - both w/the virgin hangup.

Remember awhile back the Catholics were talking about all their Bible study? Then we just read they don't bother with The Bible - it a lie and leads to a loss of faith. Just thinking...maybe they are studying the Koran.
4,126 posted on 12/01/2010 9:15:07 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: editor-surveyor; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; ..

off topic ping

Here’s a great video about Moses’ trek’s archeological evidence in Saudi Arabia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cfPMKv2fBM&feature=related

And here’s a sobering beginning of a video series on the occultic folks running the world in the natural, evil realms . . . the globalist oligarchy etc.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnO-x9hkpX4


4,127 posted on 12/01/2010 9:15:29 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear sister in Christ!


4,128 posted on 12/01/2010 9:15:49 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: presently no screen name

Hey, I remember them talking about their Bible studies, too. It seemed like a trend was developing. And suddenly, the topic of Bible study ended. Of course, it is difficult to study when all the Scripture you believe is not actually written, but implicitly stated between the lines. That would make for some difficult study lessons..


4,129 posted on 12/01/2010 9:21:00 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: metmom
The man is not in a position where he can afford to make that kind of *mistake*

No one is perfect, including you.

Would you label obama’s bowing to the muzzies a *mistake* as well?

Big time.

4,130 posted on 12/01/2010 9:22:10 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: metmom
If JPII was not aware of the significance and ramifications of that act (kissing the Koran), then he didn’t deserve to be in the position he held

And you walk on water?

4,131 posted on 12/01/2010 9:23:31 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: presently no screen name

?


4,132 posted on 12/01/2010 9:25:15 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: MarkBsnr
I was in a Church of Christ (a capella) in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, once. Bird babble would have been an improvement

You mean over pastors who speak for 2 hours and don;t say anything?

4,133 posted on 12/01/2010 9:27:20 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: getoffmylawn
The reason I ask is because only Orthodox Christians can get Orthodox burial. If he did not convert, then a priest may say a prayer, but not give the liturgical burial.
4,134 posted on 12/01/2010 9:29:45 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50

Would you bend over and kiss the koran?


4,135 posted on 12/01/2010 9:34:52 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Quix

lolol.


4,136 posted on 12/01/2010 9:36:12 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: getoffmylawn

Leave the thread.


4,137 posted on 12/01/2010 9:37:11 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: stfassisi
I just don't believe your interpretation of it,PNSN

I gave you Scriptures - read it yourself. What it says, it says!

I don't believe you are SPIRIT filled when you interpret Scripture outside of the Catholic Church.

LOL!! I was in the RCC and the HOLY SPIRIT isn't there. Seems like an underlining RCC fear issue - Don't believe ANYONE - WE HAVE CONTROL OVER YOU and YOUR mind and YOUR soul! We will tell you all you need to know!

Go under the covers, where no one will see you, and read the Scriptures for yourselves. HELL IS REAL! If you are taught one burns in purgatory.....

You don't present yourself as a loving person

What if I kiss your catechism ?

but rather a radical fundamentalist,so I reject much of what you write

You betcha! I'm radical for JESUS!! I don't care if you reject me - it has absolutely no affect on my life plus - it's not about you or me - It's ALL ABOUT JESUS! Reject HIM/Who is The Word at your own detriment.
4,138 posted on 12/01/2010 9:38:55 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: presently no screen name; stfassisi; Natural Law
Christians, however, believe in 'God's Words'. HE is ALL KNOWING God and created it all.

- Hell is conscious torment.
- Hell is eternal and irreversible.

And as awful and horrible it is to think that some loved one or anyone, for that matter, who dies in unbelief will face not annihilation, but eternal suffering in a place Jesus called Hell, it is still undeniably stressed in Scripture. It is a place our Savior gave his life for so that we could be redeemed from its grasp.

Scripture uses the word "everlasting" a great many times. It describes God as everlasting, his covenants as being everlasting, His kingdom, his majesty and his promises. Since he describes these things as being everlasting and he also speaks of "everlasting life" as being in his presence for eternity (see Luke 18:30; John 3:16,36; John 4:14; John 6:47; Romans 6:22; Galations 6:8), he also speaks of everlasting punishment, torment, death and separation(see Matthew 25:41,46; Matthew 18:8; Daniel 12:2; II Thess. 1:9; Jude 1:6). If hell was only a figurative place in which eternal separation from God meant merely ceasing to exist, I doubt many people could resist "living it up" in this world knowing that the worst that could happen to them was "becoming 'one' with the universe" or just ceasing all existence. Jesus warned us, repeatedly, as does both the OT and throughout the NT, that hell is a real place of torment and God loved us so much that he provided a way of escape from it, but we escape HIS WAY, which is the only way.

4,139 posted on 12/01/2010 9:38:55 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr; kosta50; getoffmylawn; Natural Law; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; ...
I’m talking about those who call themselves Catholics who deny transubstantiation, who call the Bible a *magic book*

FYI, I am not Catholic (as in Roman Catholic), or any other kind. I was cradle Eastern Orthodox until I stopped. As a practicing Orthodox Christian I never believed in transubstantiation. The Orthodox believe in the Real Presence but do not offer a "mechanism" by which this mysterion occurs.

Now I am an agnostic, and I see much of the biblical miracles as nothing short of magic.

4,140 posted on 12/01/2010 9:43:13 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Religion Moderator
Leave the thread.

Oh I already have. Those were my 'goodbyes' :D I've slipped back into lurk mode.

4,141 posted on 12/01/2010 9:44:55 PM PST by getoffmylawn (aka Cool Breeze)
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To: metmom
Would you bend over and kiss the koran?

Not really. I don't know why JPII did. I think it was wrong.

4,142 posted on 12/01/2010 9:55:27 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: annalex; metmom; RnMomof7; presently no screen name; OLD REGGIE; Quix; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; ...
He who do the works is saved

Read the Bible, annalex. Learn the truth. Christ is very clear that faith is the marker for salvation. And from that faith good works spring forth.

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36


"Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." -- Acts 6:30-3

Was Luke lying? Was he unclear? These words are some of the easiest to understand in the entire Bible, and yet Roman Catholics stumble all over them and somehow end up preening about their own good works as meriting salvation.

Good works are the fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit. They are the result of God's grace; not the cause of it. If a man does not live a Godly life with love and charity, he obviously has not been graced with faith. That's what James was speaking to - true faith is alive by the Spirit which animates it.

"By grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Not of works, lest any man should boast." -- Ephesians 2:8-9

No wonder Rome tries to diminish Paul. Its theology denies what the apostle taught.

Repent.

"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith." -- Galatians 5:4-5


4,143 posted on 12/01/2010 9:58:23 PM PST by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Your right but you also know it’s falling on deaf ears...eyes that won’t see....blinded by other than light.


4,144 posted on 12/01/2010 10:00:41 PM PST by caww
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To: boatbums; stfassisi; Natural Law

Exactly. And God didn’t create hell for humans but the demons. That’s how bad it is. Reading about is enough to shake one up. Strange how every one believes in glorious Heaven but not what God says hell is like.

We would expect it be the opposite extremes - total happiness (happiness we can’t even understand) vs. total misery (misery we can’t even understand).

Either one believes on HIM/Jesus, The Word or they don’t and believes man (corruptible). Hear and obey HIM or man (corruptible). It’s not rocket science what is the correct choice.

But eternal life is here now for believers. Maybe that’s why I’m considered ‘radical’ by some - I’m living what they know nothing about. The JOY of the Lord.


4,145 posted on 12/01/2010 10:00:56 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: kosta50
Now I am an agnostic, and I see much of the biblical miracles as nothing short of magic.

Do you recognize magic as being real? That it actually happens?

4,146 posted on 12/01/2010 10:05:02 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50
then how can their greatest punishment in eternity without Christ mean anything?

Who is this "Christ" you speak of?
4,147 posted on 12/01/2010 10:06:05 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: blue-duncan
So much for no detail. Read commentaries of serous authors who disagree with you on this. Perhaps start a new thread. Then a more in-depth discussion could take place.

In the previous as well as the following chapters of Ezekiel the final judgment of Jehovah is pronounced upon the enemies of His chosen people. Satan is numbered among these enemies in 1 Chronicles 21:1; hence he naturally appears in this list.

The OT angel kn own as ha-satan is a loyal servant of God. 1 Chronicles 21:1 simply states that the satan (which is really a title and not a name Christians invented), the accuser, the divine prosecutor general if you will, stood up against Israel because God did (2 Sam 24:1).

The idea of a divine Messiah never existed in Judaism, and even the very idea of a messiah does not come until after the post-exilic period, not during the major prophets.

4,148 posted on 12/01/2010 10:06:39 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: presently no screen name

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4,149 posted on 12/01/2010 10:07:34 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
Those bozos who declare themselves saved give God none of the glory; they arrogantly supersede the Judgement of Christ for their judgement of themselves.

Can you provide even one post where us "arrogant bozos" declared that our salvation was of our own doing? Where we even one time declared that we were "superseding" the role of Christ in our judgment? I really would like to know, for future reference, of course, just what it is that we say that makes you go off on this kind of rant. Because I cannot for the life of me understand how it is you can arrive at such a disconnection.

4,150 posted on 12/01/2010 10:09:07 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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