Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Additionally, I said your assertion of what James 2 says obliterates other Scripture passages. I did not say that Scripture obliterates other Scripture. If you wish to debate, at least get what the other person says correct.
Matthew 13:54-56 (King James Version)
54And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
Mark 6:2-4 (King James Version)
2And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 3Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him. 4But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
Also, how can it be telling a lie when Scripture says in many places that Jesus had brothers and sisters or that Joseph "knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son"? Who is really fabricating, the person who says Mary was a perpetual virgin (with no Scripture to back it up and only the statement that "Tradition" held to it) or the one who says she had a normal marriage and had other children (with Scripture)?
You cannot be saved by faith AND works and still call it grace. It don't work that way!!! There is nothing Biblical about that doctrine.
Bears repeating..... LOUDLY.....
And yet they reject the concept of sola scriptura on that basis.
I wonder if they know what h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e spells.
Is it any surprise that someone who can't get Scripture right misunderstands you as well?
Galatians 3:1-14 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? It was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified. Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” So then, those who are of faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”— so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
That's a great way to avoid having explain your own hypocritical remarks—by avoiding the subject. Being hypocritical has nothing to do with whether you believe some superstitious tale or not.
All I see is Paul making allegations on account of Christ. Why do you believe the words of an ordinary man? What proof do you have that he is telling the truth? Wasn't Paul called the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus" by this great American thinker and ex-President, Thomas Jefferson?
If there are no mysteries left, then why are there 30,000-plus Christian denominations? How come some Christians believe God is tribune, and others don't, and the LDS are polytheists?
So, you mean to tell me that the pot figured out the potter? You're good! Really good. You mean to tell me now you know everything there is to know? LOL!
Off the top of my head, that the copies of scriptures are not inerrant, but also that we understand that metmom doesn't want to believe some things, as she readily admits.
I am having difficulty understanding just what you are saying. Is it your belief that the (Latin version) Catholic should not question the "Latin" explanation of the Eucharist without question or are you saying that no one, you, I, Protestants, any person, should not speculate on its' validity?
No, Kolo simply reiterates the Eastern belief that the divine mysteria are not explainable (or else they wold not be mysteria!). Proposing any "mechanism of action" as to how the Holy Spirit accomplishes the change of bread and wine into the Boyd and Blood is likely to lead one in error because it's pure speculation. In other words: trying to explain a supernatural event rationally is bound to fail.
The Eastern Churches hold on to the belief of Real Presence, but offer no "rational" explanation how God makes things happen. They simply believe it.That's why it's a matter of belief.
All I see is Paul making allegations on account of Christ. Why do you believe the words of an ordinary man? What proof do you have that he is telling the truth? Wasn't Paul called the "first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus" by this great American thinker and ex-President, Thomas Jefferson?
We believe Paul because God chose him to reveal his truths to us. We couldn't care less what a deist/theist or agnostic thinks of him, it's what God did through him that counts. God's truths are easy to see when you have the heart to understand what you are reading.
If there are no mysteries left, then why are there 30,000-plus Christian denominations? How come some Christians believe God is tribune, and others don't, and the LDS are polytheists?
C'mon Kosta, how many times do we have to post the disclaimer about that faulty 30K+ denominations garbage until you guys stop resorting to it? We should create a name for it and call in a "law" and whenever someone refers to it we can claim they have conceded the debate by using it. I won't bother with the inane trinity vs. polytheism silliness because I'm pretty sure you know the truth about the belief. If not, just ask and any one of us would be happy to explain it to you.
So, you mean to tell me that the pot figured out the potter? You're good! Really good. You mean to tell me now you know everything there is to know? LOL!
For real? I'm starting to see a real decline in your posts and it seems like negativity and pointless mocking are taking the place of your self-professed "objective" scholarship. How come? Not offense, but I really pray you have a Merry Christmas. :o)
Last time I checked the mysteries were revealed only to the disciples. But, wait, that's what Jesus is quoted as saying. Of course, Paul overrules him. :)
I find it interesting that we were told the Greek meaning for "sacrament" yet nowhere in Scripture is that word ever even used. I looked at the Douay-Rheims as well, in case anyone wonders
So, what are you saying? That the Greeks don't call sacraments mysteries (or secrets)? Are you going to tell them that calling sin missing the mark (hamartia) is also "wrong?"
Laying on of the hands, for example is considered a mysterion, a secret, a sacrament, which is mentioned in the Bible without explicitly calling it a mysterion.
But if you share mm's opinion on this, then you too must believe you know everything there is to know.
Jesus ran into plenty of people who kept the Law, which would qualify them as *acting* like saints. But He said they weren't saved.
AMEN.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." -- John 3:5-7
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day." -- John 6:44"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Last time I checked only Paul says so, and you shooe to believe an ordinary man. No Gospel has recorded Jesus as saying he plans on choosing Paul as his mouthpiece. Jesus picked twelve, not threaten, in order to judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
So, why do you believe an ordinary man on his word alone? In fact, why do you put him ahead of Christ when it comes to doctrine?
That's fine, I never said you have tom believe me, but that doesn't explain why you believe an ordinary man more than someone you claim is your God? The only one who says God chose him is Paul himself. And you believe that? Why?
C'mon Kosta, how many times do we have to post the disclaimer about that faulty 30K+ denominations garbage until you guys stop resorting to it?
Garbage? There are 30,000 Christian denominations world-wode, no matter how you turn it around. They all differ to some degree. How does that reflect knowing the universal truth? We don;t have 30,000 different scientific opinions about gravity for sure. Such diversity can only mean one thing: no one has a clue.
I won't bother with the inane trinity vs. polytheism silliness because I'm pretty sure you know the truth about the belief. If not, just ask and any one of us would be happy to explain it to you.
Inane silliness? Are you denying that there are Christians out there who deny the Triune character of God? And while you are at it, why don't you "explain" what Trinity is and how it operates. Maybe while you are it, as well, why not tell me what God is?
Pretentind to know no mysteries and to know all there is too know is turly inane.
I'm starting to see a real decline in your posts and it seems like negativity and pointless mocking are taking the place of your self-professed "objective" scholarship.
I wish I could say the same thing about most Protestant posters, few notable exceptions noteithstanding, sicde there is nothing to delcine. Claiming there are no mysteries in faith is not subject to objective scholarship. It is, as you said, inane.
Certainly not a matter of avoiding the subject...rather that of who is receptive to truth or not. Christ himself was selective, He had little to say to the self righteous teachers of the law and when He did speak to them He warned them...”woes” abounded.
Sure it is, in a number of places. For example, your buddy +Paul uses it in Ephesians referring to the Mysterion of Marriage. You'll find several in Corinthians. One of the best descriptions of Apostles/bishops/priests is at 1 Cor. 4:1 "...οἰκονόμους μυστηρίων θεοῦ", "stewards of the mysteries of God". The Greek is beautiful, bb! And there are more examples. You may want to learn Greek for your bible studying. English will lead you wrong as often as not.
Exactly
Everybody is an *ordinary man* then and there's no reason that we should believe anyone, even you.
You have no proof that you're telling the truth either.
By your own criteria, your ramblings are just as much vanity as anyone else's and thus deserve the credence that such nothingness warrants.
Genesis 3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”
“Did God really say......?”
The oldest line in the book and the oldest tactic used by Satan; destroying the credibility of God and His Word.
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