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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: beezdotcom
Perhaps all I *really* was hoping to discover was more clarification of terminology in this thread - broad brush descriptions are so hard for me to follow, usually...but perhaps I will try to embrace them more in the future.

Mob emotion is rather, shall we say, overwhelming. Churchill was pretty good at it, if one listens to his speeches.

6,501 posted on 01/02/2011 4:58:28 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: 1000 silverlings
lol, it’s a new year and all but I still intend to shun people who called me scatological names last year and they know who they are.

Yeah, and if my mother had wheels, she'd be a wagon...

6,502 posted on 01/02/2011 4:59:55 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: HarleyD
Surely you are not saying that the Catholic Church has never been about people's souls and money? It should be noted how the Vatican was virtually penniless after the "Holy Wars" and the cash needed to build the Vatican. It was all that "jiggling" of cash that was the driver of the Reformation.

The Church saved Europe from the Muslims a couple of times, sure. The second attack on Venice was done at the invitation of whom??? And what did all of that cost???

Now, did the German bishops act in a truly Christian manner? Unfortunately, no. The Reformation was fuelled in part by that, certainly. It succeeded because of the drive for power by the German princes, but it started because of the practices of the Church, sure.

When will the Vatican open up the Vatican vaults so that we can see what's in it?

Being a little presumptuous? When is your church going to open its vaults so we can see what's in it? Or you, for that instance? Are you prepared to air all of your own dirty laundry to the world for the amusement and edification of every individual in the world?

6,503 posted on 01/02/2011 5:06:52 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: Quix
Were you exercising your RCC fantasies skills and habits early in such a direction?

Nope.

May God lead you ever closer to Himself in the New Year.

I fervently pray He does and would return the favour to you and to all men.

6,504 posted on 01/02/2011 5:09:28 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
"Now, did the German bishops act in a truly Christian manner? Unfortunately, no. The Reformation was fuelled in part by that, certainly. It succeeded because of the drive for power by the German princes, but it started because of the practices of the Church, sure."

Times change, people don't. Luther did not originate his 95 theses, he merely pulled a publicity stunt by making the internal debates of the Church.

The Romans had a statement; "Qui Bono", for whom the benefit? Luther's sponsors, the German princes who sought both independence from the Holy Roman Empire and the assets of the Church benefited greatly. It is a shame that so many remain dupes of those princes.

6,505 posted on 01/02/2011 5:18:44 PM PST by Natural Law (Stay thirsty my friends)
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To: Natural Law
Times change, people don't. Luther did not originate his 95 theses, he merely pulled a publicity stunt by making the internal debates of the Church.

Well, I can't argue with that. The thing is that the justification of the posting became popular.

The Romans had a statement; "Qui Bono", for whom the benefit? Luther's sponsors, the German princes who sought both independence from the Holy Roman Empire and the assets of the Church benefited greatly. It is a shame that so many remain dupes of those princes.

Yup, the precedence goes back to Simon Magus for those who would use the Church for personal financial gains and power.

6,506 posted on 01/02/2011 5:25:35 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
Ooops, the unforeseen prophesy. :)
6,507 posted on 01/02/2011 5:38:27 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: esquirette
If you say so. BTW, the Church of my Baptism, the Eastern Orthodox Church, never reads the Revelation liturgically. It probably sits somewhere on a dust-covered shelf in the back of the churches, since the 9th century when it was included in the canon as part of the general compromise between the East and the West. Until then, it was ranked together with the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas as “questionable.”
6,508 posted on 01/02/2011 5:43:41 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: MarkBsnr
The Church saved Europe from the Muslims a couple of times, sure. M

According to the Catholic Church's catechism 841 it states:

So exactly what did the Church save Europe from?

It succeeded because of the drive for power by the German princes, but it started because of the practices of the Church, sure.

And where does the will of God fits into all of this?

Being a little presumptuous? When is your church going to open its vaults so we can see what's in it?

Actually, every Protestant church or organization that I have ever attended or support fully disclose their assets and liabilities at the end of each year. They usually do this in a fund raising letter. :O)

As for me, how much I make, how much my wife make, and just about all of our assets are floating around on the Internet which people who know us have been able to piece together. Trust me. My net worth is a sad, sad story.

6,509 posted on 01/02/2011 5:43:41 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: MarkBsnr; metmom
It's called mob emotion

I think that sums it up very well, Mark.

How do you differentiate such worship form, say, a rock concert, the electric guitars and all...?

6,510 posted on 01/02/2011 5:49:10 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: HarleyD
The Church saved Europe from the Muslims a couple of times, sure. M

According to the Catholic Church's catechism 841 it states:

841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[330]

So exactly what did the Church save Europe from?

The invading forces of these very same Muslims.

It succeeded because of the drive for power by the German princes, but it started because of the practices of the Church, sure.

And where does the will of God fits into all of this?

Where it always does.

Being a little presumptuous? When is your church going to open its vaults so we can see what's in it?

Actually, every Protestant church or organization that I have ever attended or support fully disclose their assets and liabilities at the end of each year. They usually do this in a fund raising letter. :O)

As for me, how much I make, how much my wife make, and just about all of our assets are floating around on the Internet which people who know us have been able to piece together. Trust me. My net worth is a sad, sad story.

Actually, each parish and diocese does the same. I'm not sure of how much of my net worth is on the Internet, but I suspect that if your records are out there, so are mine. I'm not going to make Forbes anytime soon, either...

But what's in the Vatican vaults? There is a recent effort begun to start to clean them out, but I'm not sure of any of the details.

6,511 posted on 01/02/2011 5:53:20 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: MarkBsnr
Correct. On Christmas Day, I had the honour of reading both the first and second readings (Isaiah and Paul). The congregation sat. I am a simple layman. The Gospel was read by our permanent deacon after being blessed by our priest and the entire congregation stood

Obviously, there is a ranking, just as there is in Judaism, where the Torah (the Five Books of Moses) take precedence over all other parts of the Tanakh.

6,512 posted on 01/02/2011 5:54:20 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
How do you differentiate such worship form, say, a rock concert, the electric guitars and all...?

I'll listen to some Rammstein or Primal Fear and let you know what I come up with. :)

6,513 posted on 01/02/2011 6:01:21 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: beezdotcom; MarkBsnr; metmom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal Gee, the Cathoic Charismatic Renewal, aka "anything to get people to come back to or stay in the Church. Pretty sad. The Catholic Church has done some really strange things (guitar masses, clown masses, lecture hall churches, etc.) in the last 46 years or so, much of it was bad imitation of Protestantism (an d nothing is worse than a bad imitation).

Carry on.

Okay, and you are dismissed.

6,514 posted on 01/02/2011 6:02:10 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; beezdotcom
Okay, and you are dismissed.

Are you really pulling rank on this dweeb?

6,515 posted on 01/02/2011 6:10:05 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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To: presently no screen name
Sure! Yet you are so concerned about them being laughed at

Why are they being laughed at?

With all your reading and commenting on God's Word, you didn't know God's own have a relationship with Him? But there are many who don't care to KNOW Him...

All my relationships are verifiable. I hear people tell me they have a relationship with all sorts of imaginary things. Until they can show me what they have a relationship with I refuse to accept their "witness".

There are just way too many people claiming they know the truth, which differs just about form everyone else's.

"Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

See, this is the type of intolerance that is common to so many Protestants. Unless it is their way it is damned, cursed, and vilified. For one I don't say "Lord, Lord." For two, even when I was a practicing Christian I never would have thrown that judgment into anyone's face, because that's not my judgment to make. But some protesters, while making fun of Catholic priests, act as "alter Christus" in more ways than one.

6,516 posted on 01/02/2011 6:19:41 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Quix
What a predictable pile of weasel worded rationalizations!

The only weasel worded rationalizations is calling the facts I gave you "weasel worded rationalizations," Q.

6,517 posted on 01/02/2011 6:25:03 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Quix
Amongst those truly seeking God...will learn whatever they should from my humble words

Humble? Self-flattery is not humility, Q. And neither are oversized letters in glaringly contrasting color.

6,518 posted on 01/02/2011 6:28:37 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: Quix

Stick head in the sand. Preted the sun doens’t shine.


6,519 posted on 01/02/2011 6:30:17 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: metmom; MarkBsnr; beezdotcom
Notorious, yes. Gracious, not so much....

Hmmm, spoken like a true "gracious" Protestant (even though you seem to deny being one).

6,520 posted on 01/02/2011 6:33:24 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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