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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change
Only Jesus can save. Not the church, not any ceremonies.

The Catholic Chruch has sacraments, not "ceremonies" and they, the sacraments, are given us by Jesus. So yes, only Jesus can save, and he gave us the Church of the Living God so that we know how.

6,661 posted on 01/04/2011 7:16:56 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: daniel1212
Excellent post, as usual.

Nor is each Protestant his own pope, as they do not claim papal formulaic assured infallibility, but appeal to the Scriptures as the only objective source which is wholly infallible and are to rely upon its means of persuasion. And Scripture itself affirms men to judging what is taught by the Scriptures (Acts 17:11) and its attestation, as well as to ascertaining their own status as believers by what is written. (1Jn. 5:13)

You're absolutely correct on this. Not one Protestant has ever claimed that he or she was their own pope.

That is simply a strawman erected by Catholics in a bid to discredit and mock Protestants. The claim that they think that is ALWAYS by someone opposing Protestant or Evangelical Christianity.

OTOH, if appealing to Scripture makes them their own pope, then one of two things is true. Either they're right because the pope is right about the authority of Scripture, or the pope is wrong since Protestants who appeal to Scripture are wrong.

6,662 posted on 01/04/2011 7:21:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums
If Judas didn't partake of the Last Supper none of the Apostles did.

He ate it, yes, but he did not worthily partake of it. Cf. 1 Cor 11:29.

Moving to the adjacent post(s) of yours...

Annalex: points out the context of Romans 3:23]

Old Reggie: that makes no sense to me.

If you take Romans 3:23 applying to everyone, then you have to take the surrounding verses apply to everyone, and they tell us that everyone is a liar and murderer, and no one seeks God. That fact is that Romans 3 gives an exagerrated picture of human depravity by quoting from Psalm 13 (your number may differ). Well, the next psalm speaks of righteous people. This is a rhetorical hyperbole that St. Paul gives in Romans 3, not an indictment of absolutely everyone of sin. The exaggerrations, and the fact that it is a quote form a psalm, indicated that in fact there are righteous people here and there, just not as a rule.

Annalex: The Church always taught that Mary was virgin all her life.

Reggie: Absolutely false!

Proof please.

6,663 posted on 01/04/2011 7:27:41 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: boatbums; metmom
One thing the "once-saved-always-saved" - you so sneeringly deride - have all over you is the sweet assurance that being in the palm of our Father's hand brings. We KNOW we have eternal life

Your knowledge is however false. Re-read Matthews 25:41-46 and try convincing yourself that it does nto apply to you. Then come again how good works don't matter.

Fear of God, however, is what a reasonable man has. It is part of authentic Christian faith:

with fear and trembling work out your salvation. (Philippians 2:12).

He paid the penalty our sin debt required

Not if you reject the Gospel and embrace the false doctrines of Protestantism. God gave you a gift and you turned it down. I'd say a bit of fear would do you some good.

6,664 posted on 01/04/2011 7:33:39 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...
If you take Romans 3:23 applying to everyone, then you have to take the surrounding verses apply to everyone, and they tell us that everyone is a liar and murderer, and no one seeks God. That fact is that Romans 3 gives an exagerrated picture of human depravity by quoting from Psalm 13 (your number may differ). Well, the next psalm speaks of righteous people. This is a rhetorical hyperbole that St. Paul gives in Romans 3, not an indictment of absolutely everyone of sin. The exaggerrations, and the fact that it is a quote form a psalm, indicated that in fact there are righteous people here and there, just not as a rule.

On the contrary, if you take the teachings of Jesus in the Beatitudes as the absolute pinnacle of Scripture, as Catholics are so wont to do, then you must think that everyone is a murderer and liar. Jesus made it very clear that it was the heart that determined sin.

If a man simply called someone a fool, he was in danger of hell fire.

Whoever hated his brother was a murderer and whoever looked lustfully at a woman already committed adultery with her in his heart.

6,665 posted on 01/04/2011 7:35:11 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; boatbums
Galatians 3:10-11

Galatians 3:10-11 is Catholic teaching, mom dearest. We are not saved by the works of the law. We are saved by works of faith and love.

6,666 posted on 01/04/2011 7:35:11 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Kolokotronis; OLD REGGIE; stfassisi; metmom
all deny that there is any distinction at all between those two words, capital "C" [in "Catholic"] or not

Indeed.

6,667 posted on 01/04/2011 7:36:59 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: boatbums; OLD REGGIE; metmom
the verses [Titus 3:3-8] certainly do not say that we are saved by "excelling in good works".

It does not say we are saved by faith alone either. It says that we are saved by God's sovereing grace and not by works of justice. It then urges you to "excel in good works". Note, by the way, how instead of faith it speaks of another virtue, "hope". So much for your once-saved-always-saved-works-don't-matter fantasy.

6,668 posted on 01/04/2011 7:42:11 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: count-your-change
The Greek word “eos” is used as a conjunction in Matthew 1:25, it connects two phrases, Mary was a virgin and when that ended just as “eos” is used as a conjunction in verse 17.

Yes, "eos" is a conjunction connecting two phrases. That proves what? It says nothing of what happened after Jesus was born.

6,669 posted on 01/04/2011 7:47:48 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: kosta50; count-your-change
It never ceases to amaze me that 21st century Protestants claim to know the scriptures better, and have superior understanding of Middle Eastern marital relations than the 2nd and 3rd century Middle Eastern Christian apologists.

Protestantism is silly for a reason. This is how the divine plan of salvation is supposed to work.

6,670 posted on 01/04/2011 7:50:07 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: daniel1212
I just wanted to let you know how much I am loving your Biblical responses concerning the faith. I read your words and the associated Scripture references and the Holy Spirit confirms in my heart that the truth is being spoken. Anyone who is sincerely seeking for the Gospel will find it in your God-honoring writing. Thank you and keep it up!
6,671 posted on 01/04/2011 7:53:31 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: metmom; boatbums; OLD REGGIE; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; caww
Just what, then, IS the criteria for what is *good* if it's not the Law?

The good works are explained in Matthew 5-7, and in many places by St. Paul. Nearly every letter of his devotes several final chapters to what the good works are. If you want a simple, short rule of thumb, it is "self-denial". Give away what you have and come follow Christ (Luke 18:18-27, Matthew 16:25, Romans 8:13).

Observe that the good works do not have a legalistic definition. When a Protestant asks, at this point, as they habitually do, "when is enough?" they pose a pharisaical question contrary to the spirit of the Gospel.

6,672 posted on 01/04/2011 7:58:56 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change
there is NO legitimate, reliable, testable, repeatable, NO ANYTHING way to verify [that Mary remained a virgin]

Sure there is, ask the witness of the Church.

6,673 posted on 01/04/2011 8:00:08 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: caww
....the scriptures are very clear about following the "traditions of men"...

That is true, and indeed traditions of men should not be blindly followed. Tell it to the followers of Calvin and Luther.

6,674 posted on 01/04/2011 8:02:29 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: daniel1212

You do as usual, an excellent job.

Alas, following all that would be far too tedious for me, tonight.

Been building shelving in the carport in bitter cold.


6,675 posted on 01/04/2011 8:05:58 PM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: caww
the scriptures themselves state they are the Revelation of Jesus Christ

Of course. Some are a direct revelation. Most, record historical fact prior known as tradition:

[1] Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a narration of the things that have been accomplished among us; [2] According as they have delivered them unto us, who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word: [3] It seemed good to me also, having diligently attained to all things from the beginning, to write to thee in order, most excellent Theophilus, [4] That thou mayest know the verity of those words in which thou hast been instructed. (Luke 1)

St. John , the author of the Revelation that you cite, also indicates that he knows more that he is telling in the scripture:

there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written. (John 21)
It is rare exception that a direct revelation is written, like the Revelation of St. John or the Ten Commandments. Normally, the Evanglelists recorded what had been a tradition for a while.
6,676 posted on 01/04/2011 8:08:13 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change
she'd be told that she was wrong in her interpretation

You are wrong because Galatians 3 teaches what the Church teaches: that we are not saved by the works of the law. There is no "Faith Alone" in any of it.

6,677 posted on 01/04/2011 8:10:21 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: caww; daniel1212
confusion comes about between 'works which follow faith'in Christ...and those 'works which', some believe,' are required for salvation'.

If works follow faith in Christ then faith in Christ requires these works. It is not more complicated than that. The distinction is specious.

6,678 posted on 01/04/2011 8:12:27 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: metmom; esquirette; Gamecock
Other Catholics have other opinions

Send them over here.

6,679 posted on 01/04/2011 8:14:27 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: metmom; kosta50; esquirette
the Catholic Church (both east and west) doesn't treat all parts of the scriptures equally

That is true. Words and deeds of Christ are given greater emphasis than the Epistles that address particular local problems, and the New Testament is seen altogether as clarifying the Old. This is indeed reflected in the litrurgical reading.

6,680 posted on 01/04/2011 8:18:59 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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