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To: daniel1212; metmom; Belteshazzar; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums
while i uphold that it is faith alone that saves, i do not hold that it is a faith that is alone, nor did classic Protestantism, but that faith that has no holiness and works is not salvific.

That is a contradictory statement. You think that faith alone saves but you also understand that faith nmust have "holiness and works". So say what you mean: faith must be accompanied by holiness and good works in order to be a saving faith.

I do not have any objection to the rest of your post. I agree that one who made the initial decision for Christ will be guided toward greater holiness and greater maturity of faith. But he must avoid the Protestant heresy of "faith alone" which entraps him in smug satisfaction of being "saved already" and deprives him of sanctity that could be his.

6,095 posted on 12/28/2010 6:30:03 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Annalex, it is not a contradiction, and i have labored at length to explain it to you, yet you continue to entertain an erroneous conception of what Protestantism means as “faith alone.” Which again, essentially means that it is not by any merit of works (as per Rome) but by faith which is imputed for righteousness, yet which is a faith that bears fruit corresponding to conversion. Behind all works are beliefs.

Here is one last one from the Protestant WESTMINSTER
CONFESSION OF FAITH (1646), which is a most foundational Protestant document:

CHAPTER XI.
Of Justification.

“Faith, thus receiving and resting on Christ and his righteousness, is the alone instrument of justification; yet is it not alone in the person justified, but is ever accompanied with all other saving graces, and is no dead faith, but worketh by love.”

There is an overeaction within Protestantism as regards this, but it is time to do away with the strawman and accept the most historical facts that it is a faith which works by love that is salvific which the Reformers taught.


6,122 posted on 12/28/2010 8:32:30 PM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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