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And God provided the way for believers to boldly enter into the holy of holies by the blood of Jesus (Heb. 10:19) so that they may commune with Him (not Mary. etc.). May we use this privilege more to worship and pray to Him.

But as for the blood, it will be pointed out by some that sins could be forgiven without shedding of blood, (Lv. 5:11-13) and indeed Jesus forgave sins before He made atonement. (Mt. 2:5) But it is understood that such was done under the rubric of the day of atonement, in which both a scapegoat and blood sacrifice was offered, this being commanded, “this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year.” (Lv. 16:34)

It is also pointed out that shedding of blood was for sins done in ignorance,which would seem to include being deceived, and without intent to sin, while those who sinned presumptuously, knowingly, willfully by commission or omission, such as Ex. 21:14; Num. 9:13; Dt.17:12; 29:19,20; Josh. 7:21-25, had no atonement, but had to bear their iniquity. (Num. 15:27-31)

This meant facing the consequences, and they were to be utterly (key word) cut off, evidently usually by death, such as the man who blatantly rejected the command to rest on the 7th day sabbath and gathered firewood, and was stoned. (Num. 15:32-35)

Yet terms such as “ignorantly” and “presumptuously” require more, understanding, and we have instances in which enlightened souls who perhaps did knowingly sin (2Sam. 12:13; 1Ki. 21:25-29; Ezra 10) were convicted in heart and able to repent and find mercy, though there were consequences, and in Ezra 10 their conscience appears to have been dulled, and there needs to be judgment in all this.

All this corresponds to the N.T., in which souls are treated as deceived and ignorant before their conversion, (Titus 3:3) and thus the blasphemer and injurious persecutor Saul obtained mercy, because he did it “ignorantly in unbelief.” (1Tim. 1:13) 14)

But judgment is according to light, (Lk. 16:48), and so believers are the most accountable, and like as those who would not keep the Passover were cut off, in Hebrews 10:25-39 (cf. Gal. 5:1-4) we are warned that those converts who forsake the (persecuted) Christian fellowship, and go on in impenitent willful sin (including going back into their former faith) have effectively denied and despised the faith, and will be treated as adversaries, for “the Lord shall judge his people.”

Ananias and Sapphira are two examples of such accountable souls willfully, knowingly sinning, while Simon, who “believed and was baptized,” is implicitly warned of the like in Acts 8:13,18-24 - and gets the message. And John warns about a” sin unto death,” (1Jn. 5:16) of which he says “I do not say that he shall pray for it.”

Yet in 1Cor. 5:5, a man who is involved in a most blatant sin is delivered over to the devil as a means of restorative chastisement, which worked, and in 1Cor. 11:20-32, believers who hypocritically commemorated the selfless death of Christ by selfishly pigging out at the love feast while others went hungry - thus failing to recognize other members of the church as part of the body - were also supernaturally chastened unto repentance, though with some dying. And which restorative chastisement is necessary, if we will not be condemned with the rest of the world. (v. 32)

The primitive churches (plural) “walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied, (Ps. 9:31) and we are to “rejoice with trembling,” (Ps. 2:11) as we serve an awe-some and holy God, and so must i seek to better.


6,425 posted on 01/02/2011 6:43:01 AM PST by daniel1212 ( "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out," Acts 3:19)
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To: daniel1212

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


6,427 posted on 01/02/2011 7:16:47 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: daniel1212
And God provided the way for believers to boldly enter into the holy of holies by the blood of Jesus (Heb. 10:19) so that they may commune with Him (not Mary. etc.). May we use this privilege more to worship and pray to Him.

Your scripture ref. immediately brought to mind the temple curtain being torn in half from top to bottom... evidencing Jesus had indeed accomplished for us what God required and which we could never satisfy...He satisfied Himself.. by His own blood.....which then led me to the Garden where God Himslef had to have slain animals in order to clothe Adam and Eve with their skins. So Pausing to reflect what this might have been like, visually in my mind, brings a great sense of humbleness and gratitude along with utter awe which cannot be put into words.... (As for Mary, of course she had no direct role in, she could only watch along with all the others.) It was all about Christ...and that for us.

I do not have a strong understanding of all the requirements the Jewish people had to do....the lists are broad as they are wide, so they had to have a means of atonement, it would be impossible to keep all those requirements. But I can see where the "scapegoat" comes in..and wasn't it sent outside the camp? Rather like Jesus was Crucified outside as well.... In fact it does become more clear that all the Jewish requirements and practices point to Christ directly and otherwise....

Truly astounding how the Bible does interpret itself when you study it....and you then can see it indeed could not have been authored any other way than by those directly influenced by His Spirit...it's just far too remarkable otherwise. Nor could it be understood without His Spirit since he authored it.

Sometimes it has been difficult to understand why Christianity is such a bloody religion....why God could have not gone some other way than this. But then I consider who He is and who we are without Him ... then it's clear there was no other way... for the depravity of man is far more serious then we see or understood in our day. Just as it's written...we sin like a cart-rope.. and think so little of the consequences...much less the cost.

I have rather gone on here but your posts generally cause one to look closer... and the Lord's Spirit takes it from there on for those who care to read and listen. Thank you for your words and instruction, though I know you will gladly give all the glory to Him..I still am grateful you are willing to share...it makes a difference to many I think. CW

6,447 posted on 01/02/2011 12:53:13 PM PST by caww
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