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Same-sex marriage supporters denied communion (Rainbow Sash - St Paul)
Minnesota Public Radio (sorry, that's the only source) ^ | 10/31/2010

Posted on 10/31/2010 2:24:53 PM PDT by markomalley

St. Paul, Minn. — Church officials denied communion Sunday to a small group of Catholics who wore rainbow sashes to mass at the St. Paul Cathedral.

The sashes were meant to send a statement of support for same-sex marriage. The protest has been an annual event for a decade. Each year organizers ask the archbishop in a letter for permission to participate in the eucharist while wearing a rainbow sash.

A St. Paul-Minneapolis Archdiocese spokesman said it would be sacrilege to give the eucharist to people who are using communion to make a political statement.

"There's no question that they're free to receive communion without the sash. But they're wearing the sash to advance their own protest," said archdiocese spokesman Dennis McGrath. "And communion time must never be used for a political or protest statement. It's that simple."

Brendt Vanderlinden was among those who wore a rainbow sash. He said church officials politicized the eucharist with a recent mailing of anti-same-sex marriage DVDs to thousands of church members.

"We're saying that by sending out the DVD and taking a strong stand on something that is really a civil political issue," Vanderlinden said. "You know, whether the state is going to legalize gay marriage is a civil political issue. The church doesn't have to take any stand on that."

Vanderlinden said he and his wife wore sashes to show support for their son, who is gay.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events
KEYWORDS: catholic; homoagendaalert; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes
Go Archbishop Nienstedt!!!
1 posted on 10/31/2010 2:24:59 PM PDT by markomalley
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2 posted on 10/31/2010 2:26:13 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Good! I wish all Bishops had his guts!


3 posted on 10/31/2010 2:29:58 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat.)
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4 posted on 10/31/2010 2:34:36 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: markomalley

funny, St. Paul’s is the rainbow parish in NYC, too.


5 posted on 10/31/2010 2:40:58 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (sarc tags are for whimps.)
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To: markomalley

FINALLY!!!


6 posted on 10/31/2010 2:45:28 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: markomalley
This Archbishop is to be commended?!

Take the sash off and you can receive communion? What about the heretic receiving the communion, sash or not?

7 posted on 10/31/2010 2:46:23 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: fwdude
Take the sash off and you can receive communion? What about the heretic receiving the communion, sash or not?

Wearing of the sash says nothing about when (or whether) they sinned; it's indeed a political statement. The article says that some non-gay people were doing that to support their gay son.

As I understand, gays are not heretics; but they committed a grave sin and must confess before receiving communion. Exceptions from this rule are possible.

8 posted on 10/31/2010 3:13:06 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: markomalley

I don’t hate homosexuals but using communion as a political tool is indeed inappropriate. Funny how the progressives bleat about separation of church and state but have no problem staging their POLITICAL protests at a church.


9 posted on 10/31/2010 3:24:42 PM PDT by SoCal SoCon (Brave New World is approaching at light speed! Wake up America!)
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To: markomalley

An Archbishop with a spine!


10 posted on 10/31/2010 3:37:51 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Greysard
No, being a homosexual is not heretical, but saying the full embrace of homosexuality, including same-sex "marriage," by the church should be church teaching definitely is, and this is exactly what these activists are saying (read the website.)

An activist wearing the sash is a political statement. But the same activist coming back 5 minutes later to receive communion without a sash should make everything okay? That's the point I'm making.

11 posted on 10/31/2010 4:07:17 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: markomalley; All

“Vanderlinden said he and his wife wore sashes to show support for their son, who is gay.”

They would be better served to spend that time in prayer for their son to repent and come away from that life style. Nothing is impossible with God.


12 posted on 10/31/2010 4:09:41 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: markomalley

“The church doesn’t have to take any stand on that.”

The Church can take a stand on anything they want. They have First Amendment rights. Take your gaily covered sash and go home.


13 posted on 10/31/2010 4:36:41 PM PDT by goldi (')
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To: fwdude

That latter part would be a matter of private conscience, whereas receiving Eucharist with a sash for the express purpose of making a political statement is not.

The thing of it is, it is conceivably possible for one of the protesters to not be conscious of any grave sin. It is also possible that some of those very protesters to be heterosexuals supporting a homosexual agenda.

The line is best drawn with those wearing the sash, because it would be a sin to receive Eucharist while wearing it.


14 posted on 10/31/2010 5:29:36 PM PDT by Bayard
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To: Bayard
The line is best drawn with those wearing the sash, because it would be a sin to receive Eucharist while wearing it.

No, the sash in and of it self is nothing. It's the heart of the communicant which matters. The choice to wear it is fundamental, not the actual wearing of it. If he says, "ok, I'll take it off, but I still believe in 'gay marriage' within the RCC," nothing has fundamentally changed.

I'm no Catholic, and I may be speaking out of turn for this reason, but the judicial act of judging someone for outward symbols alone without looking at motives is ludicrous.

15 posted on 10/31/2010 5:47:01 PM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: markomalley; Celtic Cross; wagglebee; little jeremiah; DJ MacWoW; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; ...
...it would be sacrilege to give the eucharist to people who are using communion to make a political statement.

Right dicicsion, wrong reason. Anyone who is a known supporter of same sex marrgaige should be denied communion. The fault is not that they are supporting what has been deemed a political message as there are many political messages that are at the same time right and holy but that they are believing in and advocating known sin that is clearly an obamantion to all that is holy.

16 posted on 10/31/2010 7:06:13 PM PDT by Bellflower (All meaning is in The LORD.)
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17 posted on 10/31/2010 7:11:49 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: fwdude
...but the judicial act of judging someone for outward symbols alone without looking at motives is ludicrous.
Absent the outward symbol, how would you judge?
18 posted on 10/31/2010 7:13:34 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: fwdude
I'm no Catholic, and I may be speaking out of turn for this reason, but the judicial act of judging someone for outward symbols alone without looking at motives is ludicrous.

The wearing of a rainbow sash publicly declares they are supporting homosexual behavior. Homosexual behavior is a mortal sin. Those who commit it will not get to heaven (unless of course they truly repent and sin no more)

Why someone is wearing the sash is immaterial. Supporting wrong is wrong. It doesn't matter why you are supporting it.

19 posted on 10/31/2010 7:17:05 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: markomalley

They just want one picture of a priest giving the Eucharist to someone wearing the sash. That is how Satan weaves his tangled web, one person at a time. “See, it’s okay, look this priest is fine with it.”

Satan wants us to be comfortable in sin.

We don’t have a communion police. We are on the honor system when we receive. But, the sash is a public statement of dissent and should be rejected.


20 posted on 10/31/2010 7:18:19 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Sola Veritas

Another example of enabling parents.

By the way, John Ankerberg just did an excellant program about homosexuality, debunking the myths promoted by the gay agenda. If it is on in your area look it up, the program will help clear some of the cobwebs of gay deception.


21 posted on 10/31/2010 8:24:27 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: Bellflower

Exactly. Sounds like beating around the bush so as to avoid sounding like a homophobe [sic].


22 posted on 10/31/2010 8:56:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: fwdude
but the judicial act of judging someone for outward symbols alone without looking at motives is ludicrous.

A couple you missed while picking and choosing.

"Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them." Matthew 7:20

"And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the tradition which they have received of us." 2 Thessalonians 3:6

23 posted on 10/31/2010 9:16:53 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: fwdude

What about the heretic receiving the communion, sash or not?

The big thing about being someone who did wrong is that one does not have to advocate against the Lord’s word regarding something that is not correct. People can have something in their mind, which just cannot be judged. People cannot generally read minds. Evil can exist for some time amongst the good, such as wolves amongst the flock, or tares amongst wheat. But evil breaking away from good is often a process rather than an immediate event. Sashes are probably not the only offense, if one was willing to openly shout in front of the congregation, as much as wearing a particular labelled sash, either way is showing a committment which can simply not be in harmony with what the Lord teaches as correct. Heretics can repent, however, and to some extent, there is a matter between the Lord and man.


24 posted on 10/31/2010 9:33:00 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Morpheus2009

Correction: Only the Lord can know the thoughts and intentions of one’s heart.


25 posted on 10/31/2010 9:37:30 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: fwdude
The thing about the sash is that it says (in --- to use a canonical term-- a "manifest" manner): "I dissent from the moral law as taught by the Church."

If this same person were to present himself/herself for Holy Communion without a sash, there would be no "manifest" (outward) way to tell whether this person had repented from his dissent, or not.

We don't question each person before Communion. But before Communion the whole Congregation should be told that anyone who is in serious sin, or who dissents from the moral law, ought not to receive, but ought to remain in the pew and ask God for the grace of repentance followed by a good Confession of sin, as required by Jesus Christ.

26 posted on 11/01/2010 6:48:18 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Sin makes you stupid.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well said, Mrs. Don-o.


27 posted on 11/01/2010 7:23:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“If this same person were to present himself/herself for Holy Communion without a sash, there would be no “manifest” (outward) way to tell whether this person had repented from his dissent, or not.”

What if the person was a well known public Catholic who vocally supports/votes for “gay marriage”? Like Cuomo Jr. for instance.

Freegards


28 posted on 11/01/2010 7:40:57 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Ransomed
Well, you got that exactly right.

Canon 915: Those who have been ... obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.

Yes, well-known, public support for violation of moral law is exactly the kind of "manifest" offense which must bar a person from Holy Communion.

Like Cuomo Jr. for instance.

29 posted on 11/01/2010 8:00:05 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("As it is written, the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Romans 2:24)
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To: markomalley


Go Archbishop Nienstedt!!!

There are some churches/congregations that realize they’ve got
to stand for something.
Otherwise decay like a fair number of the liberal Protestant churches.


30 posted on 11/01/2010 8:05:33 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Bayard; Greysard; fwdude; Chode

I have to agree with fwdude and with one other person here. Part of it is political and part of it is “sinful”.

These people should not be taking off the sash in order to receive Holy Communion. Even if they are wearing the sash to support their “gay son”. They know how the Church feels about homosexuality. They can love their son and support him, but still tell him that being a homosexual is a sin and that the Church does not tolerate this. Forcing the Church to change because their son is gay is not the way to go. Either they tell their son to cut the crap or they leave the Church. Just don’t ask the Church to change because they are gay. They know the Church’s rules and have all the years they have been going there. Hey this is a free country. Sorry Chode if I sound cold but listen, if these people want to go to hell over the homosexual agenda, then who are we to stop them?


31 posted on 11/03/2010 9:01:37 PM PDT by Wile E Coyote Genius (IQ 206....more than all Democrats combined)
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