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Ok. Purgatory: 2 Mac 12: 42-46, Mt 12:32, Luke 12: 58, Luke 16:19-31, 1 Cor 3: 10-15, 1 Pet 3:19, Rev 21: 27.
Catholics are quite in line with Paul’s teachings. In fact, Paul submitted himself to the Church and Peter’s authority.
I don’t know about you, but I hear and obey Christ’s words before Paul’s.
Christ prayed for the dead when He prayed for Lazarus and the Centurian’s servant. Christ showed reverence for the Torah.
It is prideful to assume one is saved. It is humble to assume one must actually try to live the way Christ asked us to live— and to know we often fall short.
Not sure what your last paragraph means. The Catholic Church is the truest to Christ’s actual words and deeds, the early Church practices and teachings, and collected the writings of the Bible. The earliest Church members prayed to and for the dead: their carvings with their prayers to the dead are displayed in the Catacombs. The facts are not on your side.
The fact is the Catholic Church is the one, true Church of Christ and has His authority to carry on His teachings. The Catechism is built on Scripture. Every paragraph references the Scripture it pertains to. Pick it up and look at it some time.
It seems to me that your post is another vain repetition of the same, worn, inaccurate objections to the Church. There’s not much fact there, just a lot of sound and fury. It still signifies nothing.
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11/04/2010 8:05:41 PM PDT by
Melian
("Life's tough... it's even tougher if you're stupid." ~ John Wayne)
To: Melian
I dont know about you, but I hear and obey Christs words before Pauls.
Paul's words are inspired by the Holy Spirit. You show favoritism on what Scripture you hear/obey first? ((shakes head))
Christ prayed for the dead when He prayed for Lazarus and the Centurians servant.
HE COMMANDED the dead to rise. "Lazarus, come forth!" Does that sound like a prayer to you? And you use 'this' as authority to pray to/for the dead. Who taught you that? Run from them!
It is prideful to assume one is saved. It is humble to assume one must actually try to live the way Christ asked us to live and to know we often fall short.
Spoken like someone in bondage and assign humbleness to it! I might add it is Catholics who are PRIDEFUL in their thinking they can add to their salvation. Also, the dead you pray to - how do you know they are in heaven? Are you assuming in a prideful way that you accuse me of?
However, I do not assume I am saved. I AM SAVED!! And I have The Spirit of God within. I'd say the God I serve is not the god you serve. Your god/your church condemns you and you must pay for your sins. There is no condemnation in My God "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death". Romans 8:1,2
Not sure what your last paragraph means.
How could you not know what my last paragraph means? Jesus is Not Enough - you are taught you need to add to His Gift to make it complete. And it does not speak of one who is very appreciative or thankful. That speaks volumes.
The earliest Church members prayed to and for the dead: their carvings with their prayers to the dead are displayed in the Catacombs. The facts are not on your side.
No one ever disputed Catholics don't pray to the dead or that they have graven imagines. That is a fact and I DON'T want them on my side or anywhere near me. JESUS IS at my side.
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth".
As you see from the above Scripture, the RCC is in direct opposition to God's Word and you seem to like that - you even boast about it. Yet, you have repeatedly stated the RCC teachings are based on Scripture. Please don't defile God's Word by associating it with heresy teaching.
Anyone is prostituting themselves against God when they start seeking supernatural help or guidance from any one else but Him!
"......a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you. (Deuteronomy 18:9)
So Saul died for his unfaithfulness which he had committed against the Lord, because he did not keep the word of the Lord, and also because he consulted a medium for guidance. (1 Chronicles 10:13)
King Saul got into big trouble with God when he asked a witch to call up the prophet Samuel who had already died. He literally incurred the wrath of God when he did this, and this eventually led to his downfall and early death.
Notice the verse says that the reason Saul was trying to call up Samuel was for guidance. Instead of going direct to God the Father for the guidance that he was needing, he tries to contact one of Gods dead saints. Samuel was a great man and a great prophet of God, but God was wanting Saul to come directly to Him for any guidance that he was needing, not to a dead saint!
The RCC can teach whatever they want (and they do) - but for Catholics to say the RCC teachings/doctrines align up with God's Word is a lie from the pit as has been proven with Scripture after Scripture.
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