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To: Lee N. Field

I am a member of Eklessia. The word “Church” was a creation in the 1630s of the King James Translation, There is no “Church” in the Bible. The Greek word in the Bible meabs— “Body of believers”!! That is all believers!! You don’t need a building with a mortgage and some egomaniac who makes his house payment and big car payment out of your gift the” god”.


35 posted on 11/06/2010 7:21:17 PM PDT by Benchim
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To: Benchim; Lee N. Field
The word “Church” was a creation in the 1630s of the King James Translation, There is no “Church” in the Bible. The Greek word in the Bible meabs— “Body of believers”!! That is all believers!!

First, let's discuss what is "correct" in what you wrote: Ecclesia or ekklesia is indeed the underlying Greek word for "church" in the New Testament and it simply means "called-out ones"...therefore, the emphasis is on the church being flesh-and-blood, NOT a brick-and-mortar building!

And it's unfortunate that the latter has overtaken the former in Western culture (and parts of Eastern culture as well).

As for your claim that this word "church" was a creation in the 1630s by the KJ translators...well...you either didn't take very good notes from whatever "sermon" or "message" you heard that from...or, you've been fed a falsehood that you swallowed whole.

Now at this point I won't go through the entire etymology of the word, "church" -- but just to show you how wrong you are...John Wycliffe was part of a pre-reformation movement in Britain in the late 14th century. He encouraged his followers to translate Jerome's Vulgate version of the Bible into Middle English, which they accomplished between 1382-1395 -- so that was 216 years before the King James translators finished their version (1611).

Wycliffe's Bible version is online. You can see it here: Wycliffe version.

As an example of his use of the word "church," you can go here to Eph. 1:22 where you will see the Middle English spelling version, chirche: Effesies [Ephesians]

So, if your memory was "off" -- well, that "happens." But...But...But...if somebody fed you the line that the KJ translators "made it up," then you need to take that falsehood and run it right back up the line where you heard it from...And ask them why they are exporting falsehoods. (And at the same time, ask them what other tall tales were told in the name of "truth").

39 posted on 11/06/2010 8:18:51 PM PDT by Colofornian ("So how do LDS deal with the [Adam-God] phenomenon? WE DON'T; WE SIMPLY SET IT ASIDE" - BYU prof)
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To: Benchim

Bodies are one united whole. Detached pieces of bodies are dead flesh.


69 posted on 11/07/2010 10:36:03 AM PST by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: Benchim
I am a member of Eklessia. The word “Church” was a creation in the 1630s of the King James Translation, There is no “Church” in the Bible. The Greek word in the Bible meabs— “Body of believers”!! That is all believers!! You don’t need a building with a mortgage and some egomaniac who makes his house payment and big car payment out of your gift the” god”.

I'll take that as a "no" to my second question, then.

"Teh Crazy", it is strong in this thread.

76 posted on 11/07/2010 12:54:27 PM PST by Lee N. Field ("Bad eschatology drives out good.")
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