Skip to comments.Casting Lots Over Israel...Joel 3
Posted on 11/07/2010 6:51:51 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.(Joel 3:1-3)
The prophet Joel saw the Last days as an international trial , with the nations of the world in the docket, and the God of the Universe handing them a 4 count indictment.
The first charge was that the nations scattered Gods people without mercy, even furthering the affliction He had ordained for them because of their unfaithfulness.
The second count against the nations of the world was that they had participated in the partitioning of the Holy Land that God had given to Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob and their seed forever.
The Land was not theirs to mete out, nor for them to decide its fate. The God of the Bible, and of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob, and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, He alone it is who owns the Holy Land, to dispose of as He sees fit. But the nations have a controversy with Him!(See Psalm 2:1-4!)
The third count is that the nations of the world have cast lots for Gods people. As we said earlier, now is the only time in history where this strange charge can even possibly be made.
Where do the Nations of the world meet together to Cast Lots for Gods people? There is indeed a congress of nations which casts lots regularly for Gods people, (among a few other things). I speak of the UN.
Interestingly, The UN is composed of 192 member states, 57 of which are Islamic, and virtually vote as a bloc. The member states are divided into several regional groupings of which turns are taken to serve on the UN security council.
Israel is the only state in the UN which is not put in a regional grouping, and thus which cannot serve on the UN human rights council! Libya has served on it!
Neither can Israel ever serve on the UN security council. In 2002 Syria was put on the US state dept list of terrorist states, yet in that same year Syria served on the security council.
The statistics are stunning, for example as of 2002,
* The Security Council had passed 175 total resolutions. 74 of these were neutral to Israel, 97 were against Israel, 4 went against perceived Arab interests.
*The U.N. General Assembly voted 7,938 times for Israel, but 55,642 times against her interests!
*The U.N. Security council(which Israel is barred from sitting on),has either condemned,censured, deplored, or strongly deplored Israel 49 times!
*The Security council has passed 131 resolutions, of which 43 were neutral. But 88 of them criticised or opposed Israel, and never an Arab state ,Arab body, nor even the PLO,which is the father of modern terrorism!
* The U.N. general assembly has passed 429 resolutions against Israel, and 56 against any Arab states. They have either condemned,vigorously condemned,strongly condemned,deplored,strongly deplored,censured or denounced Israel 321 times, and never the Arabs!
There is something dreadfully wrong here, this is more than bias and prejudice, it is satanic and will bring the world into Judgment!
Quoting best-selling author and Bible scholar Dave Hunt ,
More than 60,000 Individual votes have been cast in the U.N. condemning Israel. Yet not once has the U.N. reprimanded those who have without provocation waged four wars of aggression against Israel with the declared intention of annihilating her. Nor have the terrorists been condemned by the U.N. In November 2003, Israel introduced its first request for a resolution since 1976, asking for a prohibition against Arab terrorists who deliberately target Israeli women and children. Its request was rejected and instead, the U.N. adopted a resolution demanding protection of Palestinian children from Israeli aggression. The U.N.s adamant opposition to Israel and everything it does is in defiance of the God of Israel and His pledge to restore His people to their promised land.(Dave Hunt, The Battle For Jerusalem, Chapter 6 of The Gathering Storm, Mal Couch Gen Ed, 21st Century Press, Springfield, MO, 2005, p. 129]:)
Thanks for posting this. Prayers for Israel, IDF, and our troops in the Middle East. Interesting times.
One would hope that all Christian men would be a better husband, father and Christian by being informed and knowing where to stand in the future. Especially when it’s time to vote.
Thanks so much for posting this...I KNEW there was a reason I needed to check in here today! Excellent read and something all Americans need to understand, though few do.
False. One may have geopolitical reasons for supporting modern Israel, but it is sin against truth to say there is a Christian obligation to do so. "Christian" Zionism is the Nineteenth Century invention of John Darby taken up by charlatans such as John Scofield and John Hagee. The worldly doctrine is entirely dependent upon novel interpretation of opaque prophesy and is directly contradicted by the clear teachings of the Gospels and Epistles.
If you believe that your interpretation of forever is much different then anyone I have ever encountered or any dictionary for that matter.
Christian apologetics is filled with explanations of why ‘forever’ doesn’t really mean ‘forever’. One might go so for as to say that the truth of Christianity depends on ‘forever’ not meaning ‘forever’ in certain cases.
I hope you will join me in praying for exactly that miracle. Before The Wall came down, Soviet Communism looked unassailable, and the "smart" people in the West were constantly cutting secret deals with perceived winning side. Whittaker Chambers felt, when he left The Party, that he'd joined the losing side. Yet, almost overnight, a whole worldview shattered. I was in Ukraine in 1992, and those folks were devastated that the whole justification for their disciplined, sacrificial lives was discredited. They were also eager to hear the Gospel.
Pending such a miracle, I take joy in the progress the Gospel is making today in Iran. More Persians have come to Christ there since 1980 than in the thousand years before. Islam depends on a series of cultural and linguistic firewalls -- but information technology is breaching those.
Meanwhile, millions of the best and brightest young people from Muslim nations are pursuing American degrees. Most are eager to make American friends -- but only 10% or so will see the inside of an American home. Since God has brought them halfway around the world, why not go halfway across town? English is a weird language, and coaching / editing from us can be a career lifeline for them.
I would like to hear in what case Biblically that would be true.
It is universal Christian teaching among Catholics, East Orthodoxy, and all Protestant denominations founded prior to John Darby that the Jews who followed their Messiah, and those Gentiles who joined them, were the sole inheritors of the Abrahamic blessings. Any who reject Christ are "broken off" from the tree of Israel until they return to the fold by faith. DNA without a reciprocating faithfulness to the Covenant counts for nothing.
Prophesies that give the land the Jews and predict the reestablishment of Israel may be opaque to you, but they are clear to me and many others. Moreover, the Gospels and the Epistles are the most important parts of the Bible for Christians, but those sections are not the only parts. The Bible for Christians should be as seamless as Jesus cloak.
Re-read the prophesy at the top of this thread and the worldly interpretation which directly contradicts Romans 11, Matthew 3:9, Luke 3:8, John 8:33, etc., etc., etc.
As I understand it, rabbinical Judaism teaches that the Messianic promises of the Old Testament do not apply to Christ or His followers and characterizes the opposing Christian tradition as Replacement Theology or Supersessionism. Hagee and the "Christian" Zionists go along with this rabbinical teaching out of an apparent phobia that disagreement would expose them to charges of "historical Christian anti-Semitism."
Pardon me if I am misreading you comment here, I have not paid attention to your view up till now, but I sense you dont believe that Israel (Jews) are still Gods chosen people and will once again be dealt with on an individual (as a nation) basis during the Tribulation period.
Romans 11 specifically deals with that and explicitly says that the Jews, ie Israel, will be again dealt with as it says until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. Once God determines that the end of the time for the Gentiles has come He will again, for a period of seven years, deal with the Jews as a nation.
Is there any shred of clear Scriptural evidence or Christian tradition to support the modern conceit that non-believing Jews inherit the Abrahamic blessings.
FWIW your straw man arguments are irrelevant.
Like it or not the promises made to "Israel" by God were eternal and the promises are attached to the land known as Israel and the descendants of Jacob.
IMHO, there is obviously a Biblical significance to the fact that there is today a place on the land promised to the descendants of Jacob a country called "Israel". I don't know exactly what that significance is, but my biblical studies over the years seems to suggest that it has something to do with Biblical prophecy and the events which will unfold immediately prior to the return of Christ.
If you want to ridicule that position and those who believe it, then that is your prerogative. I just think that if you are going to do so, you ought to use logical arguments rather than logical fallacies.
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