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The Ideology of Homosexuality [Ecumenical]
L'Espresso ^ | 2010 | Giacomo Cardinal Biffi

Posted on 11/16/2010 9:44:10 AM PST by Pyro7480

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This is excerpted from The Inconvenient Memoirs of Cardinal Biffi
1 posted on 11/16/2010 9:44:12 AM PST by Pyro7480
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Catholic ping!


2 posted on 11/16/2010 9:44:48 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Nothing to say but repent of your sins, homosexuality is a flesh passion not a genetic calling...


3 posted on 11/16/2010 9:47:30 AM PST by aces
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To: Pyro7480

Excellent from beginning to end.


4 posted on 11/16/2010 9:48:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480

“the Christian conception tells us that one must always distinguish the respect due to persons, which involves rejecting any marginalization of them in society and politics”

The Cardinal is making this up. We have an obligation to “marginalize” persons who engage in various behaviors. This double-minded approach to unrepentant sodomites is cowardice and will fail.

The Church needs to show more courage and be less afraid of “offending”.


5 posted on 11/16/2010 9:50:28 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Pyro7480
Regarding the problem of homosexuality that is emerging today, the Christian conception tells us that one must always distinguish the respect due to persons, which involves rejecting any marginalization of them in society and politics (except for the unalterable nature of marriage and the family), from the rejection of any exalted "ideology of homosexuality," which is obligatory.

This is completely false, and I stopped reading right there. Does this give them open license to "non-discrimination" such as in employment (including child care), adoption "rights" and other marriage-like unions? The true Christian says "no." And we consider them unbelievers, as is scripturally mandated.

6 posted on 11/16/2010 9:52:00 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: Pyro7480

Thanks to the LEFT in this country, yesterday’s deviants are today’s alternative lifestyle.


7 posted on 11/16/2010 9:52:15 AM PST by Finop (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.)
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To: fwdude
Does this give them open license to "non-discrimination" such as in employment (including child care), adoption "rights" and other marriage-like unions?

I don't think the cardinal would agree with that, given his "unalterable nature of marriage and the family" phrase.

8 posted on 11/16/2010 9:53:51 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Then read the first paragraph again. So softpeddling on the issue.


9 posted on 11/16/2010 9:55:16 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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I think what the cardinal is getting at is that you don't deny them basic legal rights, such as that to due process.
10 posted on 11/16/2010 9:55:23 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: fwdude

It isn’t when you read THE REST of it.


11 posted on 11/16/2010 9:56:05 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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Also, you're missing part of the context. What the cardinal is referencing is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

12 posted on 11/16/2010 10:00:19 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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I agree with much of what the Cardinal has to say, but I don’t think that is what the quote says (your due process point). Moreover, homosexual sodomy has everywhere in Christendom for over a millenium been a crime, and with good reason....until relatively recently, and mainly because of the courts.

The church has allowed sodomites to infiltrate and destroy. They need to be identified and thrown out of every position of authority in the church and in our public and private institutions. No compromise; no exceptions.


13 posted on 11/16/2010 10:01:06 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Pyro7480

I think that the catechism is excellent teaching, but I don’t think I’m missing the context. My comment was directed at an initial comment made by the Cardinal before he launched into some worthwhile commentary. Frankly, the “don’t marginalize” language is included in many discussions of this subject almost reflexively, and it reflects a fear of man ingrained in us by the culture.

The Church has paid and is paying a very heavy price for not having dealt with unrepentent sodomites biblically long ago.


14 posted on 11/16/2010 10:06:44 AM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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Moreover, homosexual sodomy has everywhere in Christendom for over a millenium been a crime, and with good reason....until relatively recently, and mainly because of the courts.

The church has allowed sodomites to infiltrate and destroy. They need to be identified and thrown out of every position of authority in the church and in our public and private institutions. No compromise; no exceptions.

An excellent analysis.

15 posted on 11/16/2010 10:10:47 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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I think what the cardinal is getting at is that you don't deny them basic legal rights, such as that to due process.

This has to be one of the biggest straw men that the homo-activists promote. As if they HAVE been denied due process.

And now the straw man is being erected by a "Christian?" Incredible.

16 posted on 11/16/2010 10:13:17 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: aces

homosexuality is a flesh passion not a genetic calling...”

True...but it is much, much worse than that. It is much more deranged and sick than the flesh that normal men feel for with beautiful (and sometimes less than beautiful) women, for example. Perfectly understandable, and there is nothing perverted or distorted about that. It is flesh, and the flesh has to be beaten back.

But homosexuality is completely twisted.

At the minimum, it is a very, very serious mental illness. But of course the most accurate portrayal is in Romans 1. A mind that has gone down that road is one that has been turned over as depraved.

Yes, we should have compassion on homosexuals. They are usually abused, and very sad figures.

But...in my experience, they are truly depraved and sick. I a homosexual would very easily kill you if just pushed a little in the right direction. They are dangerous, sick, twisted characters who should not be trusted for anything.

Christ can bring them salvation and restoration, of course, as you have noted. But the repentance from homosexuality is not something that can be done glibly, because it is so deep rooted and so deranged.


17 posted on 11/16/2010 10:20:34 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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sentence above should read (reminder to self, proofreading is a virtue!):

I BELIEVE a homosexual would very easily kill you if just pushed a little in the right direction. They are dangerous, sick, twisted characters who should not be trusted for anything.


18 posted on 11/16/2010 10:22:22 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Pyro7480
Also, you're missing part of the context. What the cardinal is referencing is the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

That explains my disagreement.

20 posted on 11/16/2010 10:50:40 AM PST by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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