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To: Pyro7480

“Not exactly- the gay and pro-choice groups are dissident at the minimal, to the point of de facto schismatic in some cases. Jesuits/Franciscans and all the other religious orders have different charisms or missions, but they all believe in the same faith. “

But we’d say that the Unitarians and the liberal Presbyterians and the homo staffed Episcopalians are dissident at minimal, absolutely to the point of de facto. We’d say that Bible believing Baptists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc have different “missions” in a sense but we all believe in the same essential faith.

That was my point.

Roman Catholics often seem to hold that they are unified and Protestants are not. I don’t agree.


21 posted on 11/17/2010 11:44:18 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
There is a difference -- in a particular Protestant group, there can be dogmatic unity -- for exmaple, amongst the Ortodox PResbyterians (all 20,000 of them), there will be a shared dogma and belief system. These will differ from say the beliefs in salvation as evidenced by Arminians or the hyperCalvinism of Mennonites and will differ from Lutherans on the True Presence, confession, episcopality and even predestination. These will differ from the pentecostals and the Methodists.

Anyone who forms a group say "practising gay OPC" are not following OPC tenets of belief and are not a sub-division of the OPC but either dissenting people who happen to be OPC or people expelled from the OPC for their unbiblical actions. And "Democratic OPCers" are just a group of individuals, these are not a division of the OPC. When a group splits from the OPC like the BPC and the EPC did, then they are separate completely in organization and belief.

Protestants -- that umbrella terminology that is used by groups as diverse as calvinists, unitarians, anglicans, lutherans, pentecostals, christian scientists or even those saying they are the fruit of the reformation like Seventh Day Adventists or the 4th generation protestants like Mormons or other Great Apostasy theology proponents are unified in only one belief and that is not a belief in Christ in the Trinitarian sense...
24 posted on 11/18/2010 7:27:25 AM PST by Cronos (This Church is Holy,theOne Church,theTrue Church,theCatholic Church - St. Augustine)
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