Posted on 11/17/2010 12:37:04 PM PST by Colofornian
That's what I don't get. How could anyone in the right mind say something like that and not think they of their own sins?
Also, I can see someone get away with that back then but for people not to look at this more closely today is amazing.
As Christians, we want to know everything about Jeses and his life. If Mormons revere Joseph Smith, wouldn't they want to know all aspects of his life? And if they do know about his life and sins, how can they deal with that and still keep the mormon faith?
Obviously, if Latter-day Saints claim to be the true church restored by Jesus Christ (which I believe), then we would consider that there is error in all other faiths.
That doesn’t mean that we don’t see that there is value and truth in them. We have much in common with people of all faiths, and I see no reason not to be friends with other Christians and non-Christians because of differences in religious belief and practice.
If someone wants to discuss my faith and talk about our differences like adults, fine. I am more than happy to do that, but I’m not going to spend my time criticizing another person’s religious beliefs because they differ from mine.
I say to anyone who is not of my faith let’s enjoy the blessings of religious freedom, treat each other with common decency and be friends.
Regards,
Normandy
Obviously, if Latter-day Saints claim to be the true church restored by Jesus Christ (which I believe), then we would consider that there is error in all other faiths.
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Normie what about the mormon practice of polygamy 1831-1890 and beyond...
Do you say that was error or righteousness ???
Poor, deceived fellow...
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That's what the misshies are for!
--MormonDude(When would be a good time for a couple of them to stop by YOUR home and more fully explain the Restored Gospel® to you - and your family?)
Let me attempt to explain...It appeared a Flying Inman..could have wrote that "against" mormonism...EXCEPT for the first two sentences.
Maybe I ain't communicating very well......
Well...how kind of you.
And you guy's continue to moan, groan and wonder why Christians continue to point out the real truth of mormonism.
Mormon's plain and simple believe Christians are inferior to them. It comes out loud and clear sometimes...but mostly it's an under the surface superiority complex....
It's what you've been taught....You admitted it here in your post.
Hi OO,
I’m not moaning, just responding.
Best,
Normandy
C'mon Normandy...I could say 'error' exists in all religions and in all denominations (including Christian ones)...and who's going to disagree with that?
Some Christians will take others to task at times for beliefs on the sacraments...
...Or for some Calvinistic interpretations...
...Or that you must speak in tongues to demonstrate that you're really born-again...
And others won't focus as much on issues of orthodoxy
--Sometimes it's issues of orthopraxy
--Like Pat Robertson declaring some disaster is definitively linked to God's judgment [well, it could be, but who can say for sure?]...
...Or it might be wondering about Oral Roberts and his vision of a 900-foot Jesus...
My point is that Mormon leaders have gone well beyond stating Christian churches are full of "errors." All you have to do is to reread those quotes in the article or first seven posts to see them referencing us as...
...The church of the devil...
...Inspired by the devil...
...Holding portion with the devil...
...Part of the Anti-christ...
...100% abominable creeds...
...100% corrupt...
...'Babylon'...
...Whores, whoremasters, harlots, lewd daughters...
...Ignorant...
...Filled with heretic pagan beliefs...
...Full of darkness...
...100% apostate...
...Damned and damnable...
...Beyond salvation...
...Divine authority-free...
...etc.
...'Errorists' is simply WAY too mild of a term to describe the "beyond the pale" references your general authorities have given us...and framing it that way, in fact, makes you party to their efforts -- and guilty of downplaying what they've said.
I’m not going to spend my time criticizing another person’s religious beliefs because they differ from mine. [Normandy]
Now why did I just say you are "party to their efforts?"
#1 Even if you don't personally critique Christians and their beliefs, the fact that you apparently don't hold any of your past or present leaders publicly accountable for these kinds of words makes you and similar Lds more a part of the problem than any solution forged by the type of dialogue you mention.
IOW in certain circumstances, silence is an error of omission.
#2 Normandy, your tithe is going to pay for many of these quotes to be recycled...
Example A:
Lds "apostle" Bruce R. McConkie: "The church of the devil is the world; it is all the carnality and evil to which fallen man is heir; it is every unholy and wicked practice; it is every false religion, every supposed system of salvation which does not actually save and exalt man in the highest heaven of the celestial world. It is every church except the true church, whether parading under a Christian or a pagan banner." (Doctrinal New Testament Commentary, 3:551)
As I wrote in post #2, Is that still taught by the official Mormon church in its official curricula in official Institute classes to college students?
Examples B-->D: In post #5, I mention an Lds church pamphlet and Ensign article. In post #1, I mention another Ensign article. These are official Lds pubs.
Example E: The Lds church has put out a series of what each of their "prophets" said and wrote about which recycles these kinds of quotes.
Example F: Here's an official Lds Church Manual (Book of Mormon Gospel Doctrine Teacher's Manual from 1999, pp. 17-18): "Elder Bruce R. McConkie said, 'The titles church of the devil and great and abominable church are used to identify ALL churches or organizations of whatever name or nature -- whether political, philosophical, educational, economic, social, fraternal, civic or religious--which are designed to take men on a course that leads them away from God and his laws and thus from salvation in the kingdom of God' (Mormon Doctrine, 2nd e. [1966] 137-138."
So here we have an LDS church manual, in which YOU, NORMANDY, are helping to pay for...
...This manual quotes McConkie's MORMON DOCTRINE book excerpts about us being "the church of the devil." But you apparently don't want to assume responsibility for how your wallet is being used, eh?
Some Mormons apparently think we as Christians aren't able to put two & two together. For example, this church manual quote could certainly be broad enough to, say, focus on Jehovah's Witnesses & Christian Science & the like. But we can pinpoint who the Mormon church is discussing.
When Bruce McConkie writes, "The gods of Christendom, for instance, are gods who were created by men in the creeds of an apostate people. There is little profit or peace in serving them, and certainly there is no salvation available through them" (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.545), then we're not left to wonder who this official Mormon church manual is discussing when it talks about "churches or organizations" which "take men on a course that leads them away from God and his laws and thus from salvation in the kingdom of God".
We have much in common with people of all faiths, and I see no reason not to be friends with other Christians and non-Christians because of differences in religious belief and practice. If someone wants to discuss my faith and talk about our differences like adults, fine. I am more than happy to do that... [Normandy]
Well, I agree here..."Revers-ally" [if that's a word], I say and personally do the same thing as an Evangelical toward Mormons, and have more opportunities for that offline.
Every single time that a missionary, mormon leader or member utters the words "RESTORATION" OR "APOSTASY" they are criticizing ALL other Christian faiths.
They are claiming that God's church was taken away to be replaced with Joseph Smith's myth which is an outright lie. There is simply no denying this simple fact.
I miss mine, she's 325 miles from me and today is her 90th b/day. I just got off the phone with her. Born Nov 17, 1920.
That pretty much sums it up.
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If you peruse the Free Republic religion forums you will notice a pattern. There's an anti-Mormon group of people here that spends a great deal of their time attacking the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. They post regurgitated propaganda on an almost daily basis.
They have a misguided obsession. You can witness many different tactics employed that you might find quite interesting. The straw man argument is a big favorite and is frequently preceded by cherry-picking quotes or other material. After the "quotation" the attacker will misrepresent what has been said or what was meant and then attack their own interpretation.Later they will have the audacity to claim they were "only" quoting our own material.
They will of course insist ad nauseum that they are merely using our sources and are therefore innocent of any deceptive practice. LDS persons have no issue whatsoever having our scriptures or leaders quoted as long as it is presented fairly and accurately. This is rarely (if ever) done.
Another favorite is posting scripture or statements which on their own really present no dilemma. They make something out of nothing while never bringing up a single objection that hasn't been addressed a hundred times before.
You might note a couple of other tactics used to try to antagonize is the use of disrespectful or insulting terms or language and/or pictures. That's a Christlike thing to do right? Yeah I don't think so either. It does speak volumes about them though.
Sometimes they cruise the headlines of the day seeking any story that might be twisted into making the Church look bad. Anything will do, just watch the progression of posts following it and see what I mean.
After reading their posts, I invite you to seek the truth about whatever "issue" they seem to be "revealing" or "exposing". I promise that if you do so with honest intent, the "ahah" moments you will have will be many and frequent. You will start to recognize the tactics employed to cleverly twist and attack and will likely chuckle the more you see. In actuality, there's nothing new here. It's all been addressed many times before.
The latest twist in the anti-Mormon propaganda machine is to actually go to the links provided, but then they cherry pick what they want, then quote and straw man attack that. Clever. It almost appears that they are helping you, the seeker of truth out by doing some footwork for you. Not so much. Don't be insulted, look for yourself. It's not the haystack they want you to think.
Here's a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. I have found that the vast majority of the "issues" brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ but here's more:
http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/
Now you will likely notice the "you never address our points" posts pop up as usual. All after providing the answers just as you have here.
Sometimes it is claimed that these sites present a needle in a haystack. Far from it. But if you give up before you try you won't know will you?
Will you wear blinders too? Seek truth. Find out for yourself. Want to chat with someone on any topic? A few of these sites provide just that. So do your homework sincere seeker of truth. Listen and read from both "sides". Make up your own mind.
I witness to you of these truths and wish you the best, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
“They are claiming that God’s church was taken away to be replaced with Joseph Smith’s myth which is an outright lie. There is simply no denying this simple fact.”
Golly well since you say it then it just must be so simple a fact. /eyeroll
The simple fact is that Christ’s church is restored in these latter days. Joseph Smith was God’s chosen prophet to do this.
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