Skip to comments.When are we saved?
Posted on 11/19/2010 7:02:39 PM PST by Benchim
But "legalists" wants you to live under the Old Testament law in order to get "Tithes" to pay their mortgages as "professional Christians" and to do this they reimpose the falsehood that you must live a"sinless" life. Sin is undefined but they want to throw you back under the law to get you to pay money and feel guilt when your salvation was a free gift from God. The key to this argument is Paul in Chapter 7 of Romans.
“believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be save-and your house”. That’s when you are saved.
You are not saved by a Church, Deacon, pastor, priest, rabbi or anything you do personally.
When we call upon the name of the Lord, repent and ask Him to save us. It’s a mystery.
Amen, bro. Only God Himself really knows WHEN someone is saved.
And while we can know that we really ARE saved (I John 5:13), for certain there are many who think that they are but who tragically will find they are not. I Jn. 5:2. ‘by their fruit you shall know them...’
Who are these "legalists" of which you speak? Can you name names?
God is real, I believe, but can't prove.
Religion is man-made; that's a fact.
You nailed it. Why the deception by others?
John 3:16. That’s it.
Simple, Romans 10:9,10.
WOW, talk about a mixed message. Here is someone reaching out for clarification.
If you want to go to Heaven when it’s your time, ask Jesus Christ to take you there. That’s what one of the thieves on the cross beside Jesus did.
Jesus said you must be born again.
When asked what they must do to be saved, people were told to repent and be baptized; and, to believe and be baptized.
Baptism is a sacrament done by elders in the church, as we can see in the New Testament. You don’t baptize yourself. Even Jesus went to the local prophet to be baptized.
Because we see the thief on the cross being told he’ll be in heaven with Jesus without baptism, we assume that if you are willing to be baptized but the actual baptism doesn’t happen, it’s still good. That’s not the same as refusing baptism.
Jesus calls the church His body. I wouldn’t denigrate it.
He gave specific instructions about how the government of the church is to be run; particularly for elders/bishops and deacons. Interestingly, He gave instructions for casting out of the church those who walk contrary to His word. Hard to cast someone out who isn’t a member in the first place!
There are false churches. You must, like the Bereans, inspect the Bible to see to it that your church is one that is obedient to God’s teachings. You have to take that responsibility. But it is not excuse to indulge your pride -
-your pride -
and say you won’t be part of His church.
Jesus also calls the church His bride. You want to be part of that. He did not create His church on a whim. It is a real and serious institution of great importance. The nursery of young believers, the sender of missionaries, the teacher of right doctrine, the help of those in need, the refuge of the needy, the place where baptism and the Lord’s Supper are served - it is not optional.
Jesus said He is the bridegroom. He said he will come for His bride, and there will be a great marriage supper in heaven. You want to be there.
As for teaching about tithes and so forth, salvation is not earned by obedience. But obedience to God’s word (not sinful men) is the evidence of the work of the Holy Spirit in your life. If you have no interest in keeping God’s law (not to earn your salvation, but for God’s glory and your benefit) I would wonder how could you be a Christian? “By grace ye are saved,” but, “Faith without works is dead.”
If a sacrament imparts grace, why did Jesus get baptized?
The other thing you're missing is the sequence of events. The Biblical model is belief first then baptism.
BINGO !!! We are saved by Grace and that itself is a gift from God. There is NO human deed or merit that can save you no matter what your Priest, Elder, Pastor,Rabbi, or anyone else tells you. Like it says, if the Law could give you righteousness, you could have been saved by the Law. But only Christ’s dying for you can do that. And while he was hanging there for you, the Law was nailed to that very cross.
I don’t know— I reckon Jesus will tell me when the time comes.
Let the truthbetold!!!!! The most contriversal words ever spoken were and you wont him them in the politcally correct churches. Jesus said I am the way the truth and the life noone comes to the Father except through me. Wow.! that means no budda mohammed etc!! Don’t take passages out of context. First christian sermon was. Peter ACTS 2.36-37 repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of jesus christ for the forgiveness of sins and you will recieve the gift of the holy spirit. No saving prays. must follow scripture greatest day of my life was that day nov 24 ,1988. greatest day ever
Money does not mean that you are saved, however.
What does the Catholic Church mean by the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation"
Christian, I Presume? (Salvation) [Ecumenical]
Rock Solid: The Salvation History of the Catholic Church [Ecumenical]
Who Can Be Saved?
Grace, Faith, and Works
Getting in Touch With Reality (good character and behavior as a ticket to Heaven)
My Personal Savior
The Early Church Fathers on Salvation Outside the Church [Catholic/Orthodox Caucus]
Extra ecclesiam - Outside the Church there is no salvation.
Is Faith Necessary for Salvation? (Part 2)
Good Will Equals Salvation? (Did the pope say non christians could be saved - part 1)
The Experience of the Salvation of Christ Today
Nonbelievers Too Can Be Saved, Says Pope
Worthy Is the Lamb?
Limbo and the Hope of Salvation