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Local Lutherans quit denomination [5,800-member Upper Arlington Lutheran, OH]
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH ^ | November 19, 2010 | MEREDITH HEAGNEY

Posted on 11/19/2010 9:12:27 PM PST by rhema

An Upper Arlington-based church that was one of the 10 largest in the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) officially has left the denomination after disagreements over homosexuality.

Most members of the 5,800-member Upper Arlington Lutheran Church, which has three campuses, were troubled by what they viewed as the liberal drift of the ELCA, the largest Lutheran denomination in the U.S.

On Oct. 31, members voted 558-28 to leave the ELCA. It was a second vote, as required; the first vote passed in June.

The ELCA angered some conservatives last year when it voted to allow people in same-sex relationships to serve as clergy members and professional lay workers. Before that, gay clergy and lay workers had to be celibate.

The church is now affiliated with two conservative denominations: Lutheran Congregations in Mission for Christ and the North American Lutheran Church. The latter was formed in Columbus in August.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Mainline Protestant
KEYWORDS: elca; exodus; lutheran; upperarlington

1 posted on 11/19/2010 9:12:32 PM PST by rhema
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To: rhema

I attend this church and am happy it left. The vote was not even close


2 posted on 11/19/2010 9:14:37 PM PST by BRL
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To: rhema

The theological/political liberals who have infiltrated the old denominations don’t care that millions have left. Nearly empty buildings with a scatter of graying attendees is okay with them. They’re not into winning souls.

Stinks to be them when they stand in front of Jesus in the end.


3 posted on 11/19/2010 9:20:25 PM PST by lurk
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To: lightman; SmithL
Most members of the 5,800-member Upper Arlington Lutheran Church, which has three campuses, were troubled by what they viewed as the liberal drift of the ELCA, the largest Lutheran denomination in the U.S.

Upper Arlington has a budget of more than $5 million. Until 2009, according to ELCA records, it was giving about $320,000 to "mission support" [the ELCA, presumably] .

4 posted on 11/19/2010 9:20:28 PM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema
It takes a very strange reading of the words of Scripture to think homosexuality is OK.

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable."

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

5 posted on 11/19/2010 9:25:01 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: BRL

Congratulations. We had to leave ours when the vote failed. Good news is we started a new NALC with about 150 members. God is good!


6 posted on 11/19/2010 9:30:30 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: FatherofFive
you forgot Luke 17:34

"I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

7 posted on 11/19/2010 9:48:16 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: lurk

The UCC has lost something like half of it’s members since it was formed in the late 50’s. Around 2 million people if i remember correctly. As a member of a UCC Church I have seen a decline over the years in new membership and attendance. Even 5 years ago dozens of kids were confirmed as members and several time a year 8-10 people joined. This year was a big year with a total of approx. 12 new members. We now have more people use the building during the week for community and church events than attend on Sunday.

In the end the leadership will always blame the mega-church’s or other denominations for taking the members and not the polices or climate they created.


8 posted on 11/19/2010 9:48:32 PM PST by matt04
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To: lurk

The UCC has lost something like half of it’s members since it was formed in the late 50’s. Around 2 million people if i remember correctly. As a member of a UCC Church I have seen a decline over the years in new membership and attendance. Even 5 years ago dozens of kids were confirmed as members and several time a year 8-10 people joined. This year was a big year with a total of approx. 12 new members. We now have more people use the building during the week for community and church events than attend on Sunday.

In the end the leadership will always blame the mega-church’s or other denominations for taking the members and not the polices or climate they created.


9 posted on 11/19/2010 9:48:43 PM PST by matt04
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To: bunkerhill7

“”I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.” “

I’m guessing you are being sarcastic? Or are you unaware that entire families slept together in one big bed in that culture as well as in countless others, continuing to the present day?

Sleeping in the same bed does not mean you are having sex with everyone in it.


10 posted on 11/19/2010 10:08:08 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: matt04
In the end the leadership will always blame the mega-church’s or other denominations for taking the members and not the polices or climate they created.

Typical libtard approach. When people vote with their feet, it is because the xyz denomination deceived them or flattered them or any other excuse except they abandoned the Gospel of Jesus Christ to embrace PC feel-good crap.

11 posted on 11/19/2010 10:19:15 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: bunkerhill7

Actually, if one looks at the original Greek text, the word “men” does not appear in Luke 17:34. It merely says “two in one bed” and that is how the better translations leave it.


12 posted on 11/20/2010 10:02:13 AM PST by circlecity
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Glory to the King of kings!

13 posted on 11/20/2010 2:50:46 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Glory to the King of kings!

14 posted on 11/20/2010 2:52:05 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: BRL

Your congregation extended exemplary hospitality to the Seven Marks Society and the LutheranCORE Theological Conference in August.

Thank you!


15 posted on 11/20/2010 2:54:53 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: BRL

Great news!!!


16 posted on 11/20/2010 3:18:08 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: matt04

Why do you stay there?


17 posted on 11/20/2010 3:20:22 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: rhema; lightman

Where is the list of the largest ELCA churches? This would really interest me.


18 posted on 11/20/2010 4:32:12 PM PST by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! Go Bears!!!)
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To: lightman

Nvm, it was in the top as I figured, largest in Illinois.


19 posted on 11/20/2010 4:38:55 PM PST by Dengar01 (Go Blackhawks!!! Go Bears!!!)
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To: rhema

5,800 members?

Nevertheless, the ELCA will blow this one off, too. After all, there are still thousands of congregations that haven’t left.


20 posted on 11/20/2010 5:05:45 PM PST by SmithL
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The nat’l UCC office keeps trying to push multiple “social justice” issues on the congregations to get them to accept it. This usually takes a vote by the members.

Their are groups of people who in different ways try to push the Church, in various ways, to actually teach what the Bible says and not the PC way.


21 posted on 11/20/2010 7:57:05 PM PST by matt04
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To: SmithL

The ELCA has cut off funding to all Lutheran colleges according to some information I heard tonight. It is directly due to us who have left. They can’t pay the bills.


22 posted on 11/20/2010 9:40:37 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: aliquando

And the ELCA will be very vocal in placing blame on those who have left or on those who have stayed but “withheld” (redirected) their giving. We experienced this on a congregational level several years ago. No blame on the one(s) preaching heresy, just on the orthodox who don’t want to pay for it.


23 posted on 11/21/2010 5:29:27 AM PST by aberaussie
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