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You Are In The Spirit...Romans 8
http://billrandles.wordpress.com/2010/11/21/the-mind-after-the-spirit-romans-8/ ^ | 11-23-10 | Bill Randles

Posted on 11/23/2010 5:30:02 PM PST by pastorbillrandles

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. (Romans 8:9-11)

One of the reasons Paul gives that there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ , is because we are no longer “in the flesh” but “In the Spirit”. All christians are considered to be “in the Spirit” because they have received into their lives the Spirit of God, upon reception of the gospel.

“In the Spirit” is definitely not a reference to a higher level of spirituality, a second blessing or ‘new anointing’. It is a designation for the born again ,justified christian. We are the ones who have been made spiritual.

“In the flesh” and “In the Spirit” refer to states of being. To say that one is yet “In the flesh”, is to say that That person is “In Adam”, unregenerate. “In the Spirit” means “In Christ”, having been spiritually revived.

Paul is also teaching that we have no condemnation now, because the Spirit is in us. “If so be that the Spirit of Christ dwell in you…”. Jesus told his disciples , on the night He was betrayed that the Spirit would one day come to live within them.

Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.(John 14:23)

Incredible isn’t it? Christianity is no less than being brought into God himself and God dwelling in His people by the Holy Spirit! Do you believe this? Than how could there ever possibly be any condemnation for those of us who are in Christ Jesus?

The Spirit is called variously, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ in this passage. This is a subtle way of teaching some hugely significant truths. One, that the Spirit is not a force or power, the Spirit is God himself, indwelling His people.

Secondly this is teaching the doctrine of the Trinity, because the Spirit, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God are interchangeable terms. When the Spirit is in us, Christ is said to be in us. The Word from the Father, quoted above from John 14, is that “We”, the Father and the Son, “will make our abode in Him”.

This passage reveals the state of all christians. What is the state of the christian? Not of extraordinarily spiritual christians, but of all christians, that is anyone who believing in Jesus is thus indwelt by the Spirit of Christ?

A christian is a lot like Lazarus, at the moment when JEsus raised him from the dead. He steps forth out of the tomb, and from among the dead and decaying world of the dead. But he can only go so far, because though there is life on the inside of Him, he is yet shrouded in death clothes.

“If Christ be in you, the body is dead because of Sin, the Spirit is Life because of Rghteousness”.

Paul is talking about the literal physical body here, not the concept of flesh as a state of being. To the Christian, the body is yet unsaved, it is the same body I inherited from Adam, it still has weakness, lusts, and is yet corruptible. I am waiting to be changed. My body is yet the all too ready instrument of sin.

The contrast is not with the Holy Spirit, but with my quickened ,regenerated human spirit. True, I now have the Spirit of Life, dwelling within me, imparting to me Holy Affections and Love, Faith, Hope. Justification has brought my Spirit to Life(eternal) !

The Spirit is Life! Not, shall be made life, one day. I am now a “Partaker of the Divine nature, by the resurrection of Jesus, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Being “In the Spirit” means living in between two worlds, for the Body is a body of death, but my Spirit is Life, because of the gift of God’s righteousness.

In the meantime we wait, for the consummation and completion of our salvation, the resurrection, where even the last of the death will be swallowed up in Life.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.O death, where is thy sting?O grave, where is thy victory?

(I Cor 15:51-55)


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: jesus; paul; romans; spirituality

1 posted on 11/23/2010 5:30:10 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Dear Pastor Randles

What do you think about being “slain in the spirit”?

I had a bible teacher i know tell me on Sunday that she “came under the Presence” and was “slain in the spirit” on the ground and used John 18 :6 as a prooftext...

When I looked it up, it seemed like the people who fell down when Jesus said “i am he’ were not the disciples, but the unbelievers who were in the garden to arrest him. This slain in the spirit stuff is nutso, imho. What do you think? I don’t even want to talk to this person now.


2 posted on 11/23/2010 6:11:21 PM PST by Sontagged ( Faith without works is dead. This also means incessant prayer without attendant works is dead.)
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To: Sontagged

All you have to do is believe that Christ was the Son of God and died for our sin, That’s it. Nothing else is stacked on your salvation. No other requirements.


3 posted on 11/23/2010 6:29:35 PM PST by Benchim
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To: Sontagged

I have seen videos of people, “slain in the spirit.” This is not the Holy Ghost. He is not the author of confusion. People’s bodies gyrating in sometimes vulgar convulsions is not from God.

These “manifestations” are exactly the same manifestations that you see in pagan eastern religions. It is actually temporary demon possessions. A good book to read on this is, “The Other Side of the River” by Kevin Reeves.


4 posted on 11/23/2010 6:52:30 PM PST by kingpins10
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To: Sontagged

You are correct, “Slain in the Spirit” is either A judgment of God (ie john 18), the enemies of Jesus), or it is Satanic deception, or it is man centered manipulation,(Why do they have to have “catchers” ? There have been people who genuinely “fell on their faces” at the presence of God, but they ddn’t need a Benny Hinn or some other charlaton to induce it. Hope this helps-Pas Bill


5 posted on 11/23/2010 6:56:06 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thanks for posting of those wonderful declarations and promises in Romans chapter 8.

Year ago(about 1970)I saw a statement of faith I loved. It said: “The only infallible interpretation of scripture, is scripture itself.”


6 posted on 11/23/2010 6:58:17 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: pastorbillrandles

Thanks for posting of those wonderful declarations and promises in Romans chapter 8.

Years ago (about 1970) I saw a statement of faith I loved. It said: “The only infallible interpretation of scripture, is scripture itself.”


7 posted on 11/23/2010 6:59:07 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: LetMarch

Hey thats good- thanks-Pas Bill


8 posted on 11/24/2010 11:50:10 AM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: Sontagged

**..she “came under the Presence” and was “slain in the spirit” on the ground and used John 18 :6 as a prooftext...**

That’s a pretty lame excuse. Jesus asked those people a second time who they were seeking. So, they weren’t ‘slain in the Spirit’ very long, imo.

**When I looked it up, it seemed like the people who fell down when Jesus said “i am he’ were not the disciples, but the unbelievers who were in the garden to arrest him.**

Saul/Paul was knocked down, AND blinded, AND spoken to by the Lord. The situation was humbling to say the least. Perhaps the garden ‘smackdown’ was a lesser dose of humble pie.

One thing is certain; the Holy Ghost infilling causes supernatural behavior. The 120 in the upper room were Galileans, yet were speaking numerous languages from other regions, that were immediately recognized by those Jews from those same places. Was simply speaking other languages enough to be mistaken for being drunk? Some of the witnesses to the sight certainly thought they were; to which Peter insisted that they were not drunk, but filled with the Spirit. Maybe the 120 were also overwhelmed with joy as well (which is a fruit of the Spirit).

In Acts 8, Simon the sorcerer heard the gospel preached, believed and was baptized in the name of Jesus. He was so amazed at the sight of the Samaritans being filled with the Holy Ghost when Peter and John had laid their hands on them, that he wanted to buy that power. He was rebuked, told to repent or else he would suffer greatly.

I don’t think he was offering money because he saw people say ‘I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior’ (the moment at which blind leaders say one is filled with the Spirit).

I’ve seen some video clips of the Kenneth Hagen/Kenneth Copeland/etal in their ‘slain’ sessions, and find myself almost sick from their vanities.

One thing is certain; Anyone that has NOT experienced the the infilling of the Holy Ghost like they did in the Bible, has no business telling people what is Spirit and what is not.


9 posted on 11/24/2010 8:05:51 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Benchim; Sontagged

**All you have to do is believe that Christ was the Son of God and died for our sin, That’s it. Nothing else is stacked on your salvation.**

The words that Jesus Christ spoke; that’s not important, in your opinion. That’s not Bible, FRiend.

**No other requirements.**

You better tell that to Jesus.
“He that believeth” (no comma) “and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not” (obviously isn’t going to be baptized) “shall be damned”. Mark 16:16

“..Except a man be born of water” (no comma) “and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”. John 3:5 (John 3:16 is a condensed summary of the details mentioned in the previous verses)

Sidenote: Are you and Sontagged related, since you both joined FR just one day apart?

Happy Thanksgiving!


10 posted on 11/24/2010 8:37:45 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: pastorbillrandles

**Secondly this is teaching the doctrine of the Trinity, because the Spirit, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God are interchangeable terms. When the Spirit is in us, Christ is said to be in us. The Word from the Father, quoted above from John 14, is that “We”, the Father and the Son, “will make our abode in Him”.**

Romans 8 is certainly not a teaching on the doctrine of the (man made teaching) ‘trinity’. Romans 8 teaches that one has to have the Spirit. It can be called the ‘Spirit of Christ’ because it was in Christ reconciling the world unto itself. It’s the Spirit that raised him from the dead. The mind of Christ is the same Holy Ghost that dwelt in the man Jesus Christ. It’s the Spirit that gave the Christ the power to overcome the world, to withstand being tempted in all points (since the Christ was a fleshly man), yet without sin (God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man. James 1:13)

When speaking of the gifts of the Spirit, Paul said: “But all these wortheth that ONE and selfsame SPIRIT.....” 1Cor. 12:11

Jesus Christ declared that “God is a Spirit”. John 4:24

He DIDN’T say that God is three in one, three persons, or even three Spirits (but there ARE seven Spirits of God. How does the trinity doctrine explain that, pray tell?).

One God, One God, One God, One God........

Have a happy Thanksgiving!


11 posted on 11/24/2010 9:26:21 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

Auriel, The Trinity is not a man made doctrine, “There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, these three are one”. The Spirit cam upon Christ at his baptism and the Father spoke from Heaven- “This is my beloved Son, in Him I am well pleased”. Jesus is Christ is 100 percent Man and 100 percent God, “The Christ” was not fleshly man, Jesus Christ came in the flesh. It sounds like you are involvled with the UPC or some other “oneness” group.


12 posted on 11/24/2010 9:36:56 PM PST by pastorbillrandles
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To: pastorbillrandles

“There are three that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, these three are one”.

Yes, that’s 1 John 5:7. Both of my KJVs are Oxford Univ. press versions w/commentary by trinitarians (E. Schyler English, editor-in-chief). My older of the two has been with me since my teens and twenties in the Presbyterian persuasion. Anyway, their comment on 1John 5:7 is: “Scholars mostly agree that this verse is not authentic and should be omitted”.
Regardless, consider this: attributes of God do not translate into separate and distinct persons. While on earth Jesus Christ was the image of the invisible God, and the mouthpiece of the same.

The visible and audible signs at the Christ’s baptism were for John’s sake. After all, if Jesus had just walked up and told him, “I’m the Son of God.”, would that have been enough to convince him the this was indeed the Christ?

A television is a 3-d object. It makes a moving picture out of thin air, adds sound to it, but can do neither without the neighborhood powerplant.

Jesus Christ said “I can of mine own self do nothing..”. John 5:30. And “the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works”. 14:10

I believe quite similar to UPCI and ALJC, but we are an independent group.


13 posted on 11/24/2010 10:39:21 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

I realize, that to the earthly understanding that man is accustomed to, the baptism by John of Jesus Christ is a moment where the reader says, “See, God is here, here, and here”. But, with God’s infinite abilities, such a scene is no doubt a cinch for him to do. Hear the prayers of thousands at the same moment? No problem. Don’t even need Mary, the mother, to help. :D

Red letter bibles don’t help the reader see the difference between the Man Christ Jesus, and the ‘Everlasting Father’ (Is. 9:6). Jesus Christ talked of his not knowing the time of the coming Kingdom, that only his Father knew that. That’s just one of several scriptural reminders that his supernatural abilities were from the infinite “Father that dwelleth” in him. But, when one is TRAINED to look at God as three persons, those scriptures are not looked at in the correct context.

Why? Because few there be that find it.


14 posted on 11/25/2010 7:01:21 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

Thanks a lot. you too. The thief was not baptized —right? Baptism is fine. I have done it to show others my faith but it has nothing to do with salvation. Just believe.


15 posted on 11/25/2010 8:54:30 AM PST by Benchim
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To: Benchim

No, I don’t think the thief was baptized. Jesus was still alive and on the cross. The thief was a ‘minute before midnight’ convert under the Law. Under the Law, disobedience was punishable to various degrees, even to the death of the malfactor. Well, the thief was paying with his life for his crime; so, offering a bullock, lamb, or etc. was not mentioned. Also.......

Jesus Christ “offered himself without spot unto God......he is the mediator of the NEW testament......for where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of NO strength AT ALL while the testator liveth.” Heb. 9:14-17

God makes the rules that pertain to faith.
Abel offered abetter sacrifice.
Enoch pleased God.
Noah moved with fear and prepared an ark.
God made a promise to Abram, and Abram believed. How? By obedience to picking up and going to Canaan.
Sara, when told of the promise of a Son, could have said, “At my age, it’ll probably kill me. Maybe I better end sexual relations with Abraham.” But, no she followed through, knowing it surely was going to take some effort.

And on and on, the theme is the same: God has expected different things from people that believe his word. If they don’t follow his word, then they are not faithful believers.
Now is no different. He commands us to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Acts 2:38; is it from heaven or of men?

Thanks for your reply, and hope you had a great day.


16 posted on 11/25/2010 9:43:49 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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To: Zuriel

Hi not related to the other guy, just happened to sign up for Freeper on that day... thanks for your comments. Love Pastor Randles threads.


17 posted on 11/30/2010 7:12:01 PM PST by Sontagged ( Faith without works is dead. This also means incessant prayer without attendant works is dead.)
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To: Zuriel; pastorbillrandles

When I was first born again in my teens, I knew this girl who was practicing witchcraft in her bedroom, mostly to put “spells” on guys she liked. Somehow, the idea that she was doing this did not register with me to be something against Christianity, per se. (I was all of 17).

But I was so filled with the love of God that I wanted to share with her my newfound faith. We went out to lunch. What happened was very strange. Every single time I opened my mouth to share with her that I had met Christ and accepted Him, I could not speak.

It was not some strange or awkward pause in the conversation, either, the way it happened that I literally could not talk about my conversion seemed very natural and she didn’t notice it.

Later I realized this was somehow the Holy Spirit doing this — I still wonder why — was she that big of a witch that she would put some spell on me? I don’t know to this day but am reminded of the man in the Temple who couldn’t speak either when Jesus was in the womb...

P.S. they were “mockers” who accused Peter of being drunk when he was speaking in tongues, it was not because Peter was actually lolling around, falling down, or stumbling like a drunkard... it was because they did not believe their ears that a heavenly tongue could be understood by so many different language groups!


18 posted on 11/30/2010 7:21:56 PM PST by Sontagged ( Faith without works is dead. This also means incessant prayer without attendant works is dead.)
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To: Zuriel
Yes, that’s 1 John 5:7. Both of my KJVs are Oxford Univ. press versions w/commentary by trinitarians (E. Schyler English, editor-in-chief). My older of the two has been with me since my teens and twenties in the Presbyterian persuasion. Anyway, their comment on 1John 5:7 is: “Scholars mostly agree that this verse is not authentic and should be omitted”.

You are right about that. I have a Nestle Greek NT and it is not there in the older codexs.

19 posted on 11/30/2010 11:41:14 PM PST by blasater1960 (Deut 30, Psalm 111...the Torah and the Law, is attainable past, present and forever.)
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