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NIV Bible Error Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV
2010 | bibletruth

Posted on 11/28/2010 4:13:46 PM PST by bibletruth

NIV Bible error - Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV. See Isaiah 14:12.


TOPICS: Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; correctdoctrine; idiocy; illiterate; kjv; logicalfallacy; niv; niverrors; scholarslie; stretch; theology
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To: bibletruth

Thank you for entertaining me with this comedy. A good laugh is a good thing. I’m off to bed... *chuckle*

I’ll pray for you.


101 posted on 11/28/2010 7:09:04 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("[T]here is nothing so aggravating [in life] as being condescended to by an idiot" ~ Ann Coulter)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Sure, it’s really difficult to think that an all wise God would set absolute truth on paper so that man wouldn’t be able to corrupt it with his heresy and error. Man just handle not playing God can he? Imagine the manufacturer of a product sending instructions out on how to put something together and saying, “just read these instructions, but go ahead and make your own if it makes you feel better.”


102 posted on 11/28/2010 7:12:40 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: freeplancer

Hail the sane man!

They’re off and running now my friend....


103 posted on 11/28/2010 7:14:15 PM PST by dblup
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To: American Constitutionalist
Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Mark 13:31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

-Jesus Christ

104 posted on 11/28/2010 7:15:33 PM PST by SENTINEL (Mormonism...from Ezra Taft Benson to Reid and Romney in only one generation.)
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To: evangmlw

You do realize God used men to write the books that make up the Holy Scriptures? Please tell me you realize that.


105 posted on 11/28/2010 7:15:45 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower

If kool-aid drinking is believing God and His Word, and it does what it has done for me for thirty years now — I’ll keep on drinking it. It beats the poison you been drinking.


106 posted on 11/28/2010 7:16:04 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: big'ol_freeper
No need to pray for me: I am already saved by the blood of Jesus Christ on the cross and His resurrection after 3 days and 3 nights (not Friday to Sunday) [Use Hebrew Calendar to calculate 3 full days and 3 full nights].

My salvation is 100% assured as Christ said that NONE whom the Father gave Him will He lose. I am eternally saved to arrive directly into heaven upon my death (no puns now). My standing with God Almighty is "son of God" Romans 8:15. I have salvation which cannot be taken out the Father's hand. My status is In Christ - which means that the Godhead, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, all are IN my soul and I in them: this is a Biblical truth few on this page understand.

107 posted on 11/28/2010 7:17:18 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth; big'ol_freeper

I do believe, son, that he is praying for your understanding, not your salvation.


108 posted on 11/28/2010 7:19:58 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: evangmlw

When I say kool-aid drinking, I mean that the web site reads as if only you and the members of this Rocky Creek Baptist Church are the only Christians on this planet and also the only ones who are going to Heaven.

Oh, and by the way, the “I know you are but what am I” routine is so, well, tweenish.


109 posted on 11/28/2010 7:20:23 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower

Yes I do, and I also realize it was “God-breathed” into them. Holy men of God “moved by the Spirit of God.” What’s more, God made it very simple and easy to understand. He also gave grave warning to those who would add or take away from His Word. A ten year old child can hear it, understand it, and be saved instantly. Matter of fact, exactly what happened to me. You’re not speaking to a novice here! I’ve read the Word of God more enough times to lose track in counting and diligently studied it. Yes. Sola Scriptura, and I stake my eternal soul on His Word and what Jesus Christ did for me on the cross. Period — settled!


110 posted on 11/28/2010 7:24:21 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: Lil Flower

Well, obviously you cannot read then; hence, and explanation in your difficulty with interpreting Scripture. If you truly read the website you would discover all who truly accept the Biblical Jesus into their hearts are born-again and saved. There have been millions throughout history who have done that and millions today living in the here and now who are saved, yet not members of Rocky Creek Baptist Church. Your asertion to such a thing is ridiculous.


111 posted on 11/28/2010 7:29:20 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

**Yes I do, and I also realize it was “God-breathed” into them. Holy men of God “moved by the Spirit of God.” What’s more, God made it very simple and easy to understand**

Here is something that I can agree with you on so I will leave it there. Goodnight!


112 posted on 11/28/2010 7:29:31 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Bryanw92

Hharrumph’ !


113 posted on 11/28/2010 7:36:52 PM PST by Delta 21 (If you cant tell if I'm being sarcastic...maybe I'm not.)
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To: bibletruth

doing Biblical exegesis is not the same as translating greek into english but you knew this.


114 posted on 11/28/2010 7:37:33 PM PST by fatboy (This protestant will have no part in the ecumenical movement)
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To: evangmlw

**discover all who truly accept the Biblical Jesus into their hearts are born-again and saved**

That includes me, then!

1 John 2:
9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister[b] is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister[c] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.


115 posted on 11/28/2010 7:38:26 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: evangmlw

**discover all who truly accept the Biblical Jesus into their hearts are born-again and saved**

That includes me, then!

1 John 2:
9 Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister[b] is still in the darkness. 10 Anyone who loves their brother and sister[c] lives in the light, and there is nothing in them to make them stumble. 11 But anyone who hates a brother or sister is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness. They do not know where they are going, because the darkness has blinded them.


116 posted on 11/28/2010 7:38:26 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower

I do not hate any brother or sister in Christ. I do hate false doctrine and teaching however. To many people jump to empty conclusions when they start accusing someone of hate. Those are they who really do not understand the biblical definition of love. Most define that love from human terms instead of biblical terms. Real love will expose error. Real love will warn someone whose headed for a bridge thats out up the road. The Bible says that God Himself hates sin! If He hates it, why shouldn’t I, especially if I am being conformed into His image and likeness as His Word claims.


117 posted on 11/28/2010 7:42:59 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: mnehring
Thanks, I appreciate that. Religion threads should be controversial, not just blindly following what some internet scholar says. That’s how cults get started. Everything should be tested.

Oh, so you are saving humanity with your superior knowledge. I got it. Got ego?

118 posted on 11/28/2010 7:45:50 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: Lil Flower

Who Is Saved?
Those who truly believe Jesus Christ was God in the flesh.
Those who believe He died for their sins and rose from
from the dead.
Those who ask Him into their lives and ask for His
forgiveness.
Those who base their salvation by grace alone via faith
in His completed work on the cross.
Salvation is one thing, living in error is another!
People can be saved and be living in error!
Spiritual poison stunts peoples growth!


119 posted on 11/28/2010 7:49:39 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: freeplancer

Nope, just challenging assumptions of those who claim final authority.


120 posted on 11/28/2010 7:50:58 PM PST by mnehring
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To: bibletruth
Not only that, but, our sins have already been punished.
God dealt out his full wrath and justice in the person, and body of Jesus Christ.
If the law could have saved and justified a man, there would have been no need for Jesus Christ to have come as our redeemer and Savior.
NO MAN, would, could, or ever been able to fulfill all of the righteous demands of the law.
The law can not justify no man.
Jesus Christ came to fullfill, to up hold, and meet all of the righteous demands of the law.
Those people who say that " God is going to punish you for your sins " have got it backwards, God has already punished our sins.
Yes, of course we will stand at the white throne of his judgment seat, but, most people look at judgment in a bad light or context, of course, it's going to be bad for those who have not believed, trusted in Jesus Christ, believe on the Gospel message, which is the truth.
Jesus said that he will separate the lambs ( his own ) to the right, and the goats on the left ( who are not his ).
121 posted on 11/28/2010 7:52:54 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: evangmlw

Oh wait a minute, according to your website I am damned to hell because I remain in the Catholic Church. so how can I be saved and still remain in an apostate church?

Oh and by the way, for all the preaching that Scripture is the Sole authority, you sure seem to have a problem with it. Im only the messenger. What I said to you was straight from your Bible.


122 posted on 11/28/2010 7:56:30 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower

***...so how can I be saved and still remain in an apostate church?***

Ahem, if I may... your salvation depends on your belief in Jesus Christ, not in which church you belong to.


123 posted on 11/28/2010 7:58:38 PM PST by irishtenor (All that I say, all that I do, is predestined.)
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To: evangmlw
True love will warn those who are headed down the wrong path, even if it's not the popular thing to say, or even if it ruffles a few feathers.

124 posted on 11/28/2010 7:58:57 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: evangmlw

And where is the love in your posts? Telling me I can’t read and that I am ridiculous. And what sin have I committed that you know of? Quoting scripture is a sin now?


125 posted on 11/28/2010 7:59:48 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: American Constitutionalist

thank you my friend


126 posted on 11/28/2010 8:00:10 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: irishtenor

**Ahem, if I may... your salvation depends on your belief in Jesus Christ, not in which church you belong to.**

Go read the website. Then get back to me. I’m not the one who believes that. Rocky Creek Baptist Church does.


127 posted on 11/28/2010 8:02:44 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
I am fully aware and believe all you wrote in reference to:

God dealt out his full wrath and justice in the person, and body of Jesus Christ. If the law could have saved and justified a man, there would have been no need for Jesus Christ to have come as our redeemer and Savior. NO MAN, would, could, or ever been able to fulfill all of the righteous demands of the law. The law can not justify no man. Jesus Christ came to fullfill, to up hold, and meet all of the righteous demands of the law. Those people who say that " God is going to punish you for your sins " have got it backwards, God has already punished our sins. Yes, of course we will stand at the white throne of his judgment seat, but, most people look at judgment in a bad light or context, of course, it's going to be bad for those who have not believed, trusted in Jesus Christ, believe on the Gospel message, which is the truth. Jesus said that he will separate the lambs ( his own Saints who are saved by Grace and are In Christ ) to the right, and the goats on the left ( who are not his, those who have vain doctrines and do not follow the Bible doctrines ).

128 posted on 11/28/2010 8:03:49 PM PST by bibletruth
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To: bibletruth
I have been doing biblical exegesis for 30 years - so shut up. You are in error.

Ahhhhhh.....an appeal to authority. That typically Catholic creature, usually so despised by Protestants.

You must yield to me for I have greater authority in this matter; I have studied Scripture for 30 years. In the end, it is important, isn't it? In order to press your point there's nothing else left, is there? When conflicting personal views on Scripture collide, it's quite amusing to see Protestants reverting to that horrific Catholic practice of asserting that correct interpretation of Scripture requires a certain authority.

129 posted on 11/28/2010 8:06:42 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Lil Flower

No where on that website does it say that Lil Flower is damned to hell. It does say that Catholic teaching is leading many into hell. Perhaps you are saved and God is trying to lead you out of the error. I do not judge individual hearts my friend — I do judge teaching and doctrine. That judgment is based on Scripture and Scripture alone.


130 posted on 11/28/2010 8:06:59 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: irishtenor
" your salvation depends on your belief in Jesus Christ, not in which church you belong to. "

Amen, that goes to say, that applies to any church, whether it's a Catholic Church, Baptist Church, Church of Christ Church, Lutheran, Methodist, so on and so on..
But ? if your saved, why then ? ( not knocking anyone's church or denomination ) would anyone would want to stay in a spiritually dead, non biblical cold church ?
131 posted on 11/28/2010 8:08:41 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Lil Flower

If you read the website and came away with some twisted idea that it says to be saved one must be a member of Rocky Creek Baptist Church — that’s ridiculous. EXACTLY! No where does the website imply such a thing!


132 posted on 11/28/2010 8:10:45 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: Lil Flower
No your not, your not dammed to hell if your born again, saved, and been washed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
If your saved, in Romans chapter 8 verse 1 ( there is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus ).... that means ? it is a utter impossibility for those who are in Christ, who are saved to ever be condemned.. NEVER ! be condemned..
133 posted on 11/28/2010 8:12:05 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: evangmlw

You read into it what you wanted to read into it.


134 posted on 11/28/2010 8:13:03 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

I did not say anything about being a member of your church, nor did I say your website stated that. It states that I am a member of an apostate church(Catholic) which is damned.

Re-read my post instead of being so melodramatic.


135 posted on 11/28/2010 8:15:30 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: evangmlw; All

You posted the website. It’s your church. Go read it. Start with: Catholicism: The Great Apostasy.


136 posted on 11/28/2010 8:19:31 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Your reply is a logical fallacy called “poisoning the wells.” You cannot classify all who argue contrary to your view “immature.” The responses seem very well-reasoned, so far.

BTW, I’m no particular fan of the NIV, feeling that its struggle for readability results in majestic passages going flat, lacking depth.

There is no particular reason to conclude that Lucifer refers to satan, other that a predisposition to do so in order to fit a preconceived idea of prophecy. Even if it does refer to satan, honored personages in ancient times were often called “morning star,” comparing them to Venus.

Isaiah 64 could be another “morning star” reference, this time to God, and maybe even to Jesus and the star of Bethlehem.


137 posted on 11/28/2010 8:20:10 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: evangmlw

** God is trying to lead you out of the error**

Why would God lead me out of where he lead me 17 years ago?


138 posted on 11/28/2010 8:20:58 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower

As for me, my relationship with Christ, my salvation is more important than what church I go to.


139 posted on 11/28/2010 8:21:36 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Well Rocky Creek Baptist church appears to see it differently than you, or me.


140 posted on 11/28/2010 8:23:35 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower
Your Post 109 To Me

"When I say kool-aid drinking, I mean that the web site reads as if only you and the members of this Rocky Creek Baptist Church are the only Christians on this planet and also the only ones who are going to Heaven."

The website clearly states that God has a remnant of true believers around the world. Doe it say many movements and denominations have polluted God's Word -- YES. That's true today and has been true throughout history. It's biblical and the Bible speaks of "a falling away," in the last days. We've been in the last days for 2,000 years now.

141 posted on 11/28/2010 8:23:45 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: Lil Flower

I don’t put my trust in no man or church, I only trust God.


142 posted on 11/28/2010 8:27:42 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: evangmlw

No, it says join us and become a part of the remnant. It also says to come sense Gods presence among us.


143 posted on 11/28/2010 8:30:13 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower

Yes, I said “perhaps” He is. Would you advise you child to have steady diet at a restaurant you knew was lacing the food with cyanide? Why would God lead someone to a church that is teaching things that clearly violate Scripture? I spent 10 years in Pentecostal Churches, (saved, born-gain). I later left because of teachings that did not agree with the Scriptures. God led me out! Why? Because I could not fully enjoy His blessings while living in doctrinal error. Does that mean everybody in Pentecostal Churches are lost - NO. Is it possible that someone in the Catholic Church is saved - YES. Why? Because salvation is based on one’s relationship with Christ and Christ alone!


144 posted on 11/28/2010 8:31:43 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: Lil Flower

Well, God is present with His people wherever they are.


145 posted on 11/28/2010 8:32:48 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

Also go read the denominations it says to avoid. Lists everyone but Baptists. Those Methodists will be real dissapointed.


146 posted on 11/28/2010 8:33:02 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: evangmlw

So are God’s people only in Rocky Creek Baptist Church? What about other Baptists churches? Are God’s people there, too? What about Methodist churches or Catholic Churches? Are God’s people there?


147 posted on 11/28/2010 8:35:08 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: Lil Flower

The church can save no one! No church can! Churches are bodies of believers. There are local churches on street corners and there is a universal church made up of all truly born-gain believers. There are people who sit in Baptist churches every week who are lost and on their way to hell! Why, because their faith is in the church rather than Christ.


148 posted on 11/28/2010 8:36:37 PM PST by evangmlw
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To: evangmlw

But God led me out of the Baptist church and into the Catholic Church so I could have Jesus and the Gospel in it’s Fullness!


149 posted on 11/28/2010 8:37:42 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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To: evangmlw

**Is it possible that someone in the Catholic Church is saved - YES**

Not according to your churches website.


150 posted on 11/28/2010 8:39:12 PM PST by Lil Flower (Confucius says: Wise man never play leap frog with unicorn.)
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