Skip to comments.Third Secret of Fatima and Russia
Posted on 11/30/2010 7:38:28 PM PST by pf707
In her memoirs, Lucia writes of a warning spoken by Mary pertaining to the failure of Vatican officials to obey her requests in a timely manner...before the point Russia reeks havoc upon the world: "Later...Our Lady said to me, complaining: "Not wishing to attend to my request! Like the King of France, they will repent then make it happen, but it will be (done) late. Russia will have already spread it's errors through the world, provoking wars, and persecutions of the Church: The Pope will have much to suffer." (in Portuguese: Mais tarde...Nossa Senhora disse-me, queixando-se: Não quiseram atender ao Meu pedido! Como o rei de França, arrepender-se-ão e fá-la-ão, mas será tarde. A Rússia terá já espalhado os seus erros pelo mundo, mundo, provocando guerras, perseguições à igreja: O Santo Padre terá muito que sofrer)
The word "repent" was translated from the Portuguese "arrepender-se-ão" also meaning "to regret/be sorry for" (http://dictionary.reverso.net/portuguese-english/arrepender ).
Through Lucia, Mary made two requests of the Church: 1) publicly consecrate Russia to Mary's heart. 2)open the Third Secret to the world in 1960.
In 1980, during a trip to Fulda Germany, Pope John Paul II made remarks about the Third Secret. He stated that: "my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves."
We already know that the Fatima prophecies speak precisely about Russia and more particularly "Russia's errors" rather than "communism." Thus in all likelihood JPII is referring to the then communist superpower RUSSIA when using the broader term "world power of communism."
For the Vatican to withhold publication of the Third Secret for decades due to fear of the Russians/Communists reacting with "certain moves" indicates that those "certain moves" are significant and grave. For instance the Third Secret may contain provocative words that infuriate Russia into a vengeful military attack against the Vatican.
A third secret element that would definitely infuriate Russia would be something along the lines of a prophecy that states: the leader of Russia at the time of the chastisement is possessed by demons from hell!
During the Vatican's release of the "vision" portion of the Third Secret in June 26, 2000, Cardinal Ratzinger(now the Pope) wrote for the commentary: "Here it would be appropriate to mention a phrase from the letter which Sister Lucia wrote to the Holy Father on 12 May 1982: The THIRD PART of the secret' refers to Our Lady's words: If not, [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated'
Ratzinger's words in June 2000 explicitly reveals that the Third Secret vision pertains to RUSSIA'S errors "causing wars and persecutions of the Church".
Therefore in order for a FUTURE fulfillment of the Third Secret of Fatima that involves a violent religious persecution and a Pope killed by soldiers...RUSSIA must in the FUTURE, become politically transformed into the tool that serves as the primary cause that brings about the period of religious persecution prophesied by the Fatima Prophecies. It is Russia that God uses to punish the world with war and persecution, suffering of the Pope, and annihilation.
If the Vatican considered there was even a 1% chance the Fatima Prophecy were a divine message from God, despite the conspiracy to hide the existence of the "words" of the Third Secret in June 2000, they would have certainly taken precaution against God's wrath by hedging their bet and actually reveal the gist of the Secret albeit less directly. Which they did in the commentary when Ratzinger included that quote attributed to the seer(Lucia), once again being: "Here it would be appropriate to mention a phrase from the letter which Sister Lucia wrote to the Holy Father on 12 May 1982: The THIRD PART of the secret' refers to Our Lady's words: If not, [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated'
So the real secret is that the Third portion of the Secret and the Second portion are actually two parts of one single unified secret. The reference to world war I and world war II in the second secret would be brief mentions of the two wars that would precede a separate Russian driven chastisement. Previous events regarding Russia and world war II would be shadows of future events to come.
Russia would be heading towards a moment of war that would change everything.
Malachi Martin, Secretary of high ranking Cardinal Bea, was shown the Third Secret in the 1960's.
Eight years before Ratzinger's June 2000 commentary, in Malachi Martin's 1992 book "The Keys of this Blood" (pg630-631), he indicated the role of Russia with the comments :
i)"Russia, according to the text of the 'Third Secret,' was the regulator of the timetable."
ii)"Lucia's single-page written formulation of the "Third Secret" covers three main topics. (1) A Physical chastisement of the nations...(2) A spiritual chastisement...(3) A central function of Russia in the two ...(which)..In fact, the physical and spiritual chastisements, according to Lucia's letter, are to be gridded on a fateful timetable in which Russia is the ratchet."
Long before Cardinal Ratzinger wrote the June 2000 commentary, the Cardinal released a book containing an interview given by him to Vittorio Messori which included some questions about the Third Secret. The interview occurred in the mid 1980's.
Detailed on pages 109 and 110 of his book "The Ratzinger Report":
-"Cardinal Ratzinger, have you read the so-called 'third secret of Fatima'...?" -The reply is immediate and dry: "Yes, I have read it."
At the end of the question's pertaining to the Third Secret, after Ratzinger states "to publish the 'third secret' would mean exposing the Church to the danger of sensationalism" Vittorio Messori then writes: "that Perhaps also political implications, I venture, since it seems that here, also, as in the two other "secrets," Russia is mentioned? At this point however, the Cardinal declares that he is not in a position to go further into the matter and firmly refuses to discuss particulars."
-Cardinal Ratzinger's reaction to the mention of the word "Russia" in the context of the Third Secret demonstrates Vittorio's question hit a nerve. if Russia was NOT mentioned in the Secret, Ratzinger would have no need to react as such. His reaction seemed to indicate at that time that he was instructed in 1984 not to reveal that Russia was part of the Secret and not to falsely deny that Russia was part of the Secret. That would explain Ratzinger's choice to evade the subject at the mere mention of Russia.
For his 1947 book "Our Lady of Fatima" author William Thomas Walsh interviewed Sister Lucia in 1946 --a year she was not yet forbidden to give interviews.
On page 221 of "Our Lady of Fatima", Walsh writes:
"she said more than once and with deliberate emphasis: "What Our Lady wants is that the Pope and all the bishops in the world shall consecrate Russia to Her Immaculate Heart on one special day. If this is done, She will convert Russia and there will be peace. If it is not done, the errors of Russia will spread through every country in the world.' " "Does this mean, in your opinion, that every country, without exception, will be overcome by Communism?" "Yes."(replied Lucia)."
Mary told Lucia that Russia's "errors" will spread to every country of the world, but in the 1940's to 1990 pretty much every believer in the world including Sister Lucia herself, would have assumed that Russia's errors were equatable with communism.
I would consider "Russia's errors" to be the tactics of a yet to arrive Russian Hitler that would rebuild the ego and glory of the Russian empire at the expense of the weak. These Russian errors could/would include such things as persecuting religious minorities at the behest of the majority, the blackmail of weaker nations, persecution of every kind of minority, declaring might as right/war to achieve all the needs of the state(attaining food, wealth, gas, slaves etc,) or something. Russia's tactics/errors that would spread to every country would be for egoism, diversion of attention, and ultimately to pacify the voting public during times of economic collapse, hunger, and chaos. The future Russia, possibly led by Vladimir Zhirinovsky, may echo some of the ways of the former communists, but it's behavior would be more extreme and frightening.
The entire message of Fatima in entwined with Russia:
If divine forces are responsible for the Apparitions of Mary to Portugal in 1917, it is clear in context, that the major reason the year 1917 was selected for the Apparition to arrive was for the reason that Vladimir Lenin and the anti-religious Communists forced their way into power to take control of Russia less than one month after the Miracle of the Sun/Final Apparition.
Thus the Apparitions in the year 1917 establishes a connection between the Fatima Prophecies to a present and future transformation of Russia into a godless religious persecuting state.
From there, Mary indicates that even though she knows the Church officials will refuse to obey her requests thus dooming itself, she provides the remedy for world peace:
Her remedy given to the Church requires that the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the world in a public event "Consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart."
"If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church."
The request to Consecrate Russia appears as a simple test of faith imposed by Heaven to show faith in God's messenger and God...by forcing the Vatican to choose whether to risk some worldly interests for the sake of spiritual interests.
With the anti-religious communists in power in Russia, the request to consecrate Russia with the world watching, forces the Vatican to risk irritating and provoking the Soviet Union.
Releasing the WORDS of the Third Secret poses a significantly bigger threat to the Vatican's worldly interests. It's a bigger test of Faith. Not only does it's publication risk infuriating Russia, it risks making the Vatican lose substantial credibility if the dated prophecies seem to fail to materialize.
The noose seems to tighten even further around the Vatican's neck. Setting the stage for an extremely bad outcome when the moment of belief is finally reached. By having lied about the Third Secret in the year 2000, lied about Lucia's words in the year 2000, and lying in a book about the subject released in 2007(The Last Secret of Fatima-Cardinal Bertone)--as the abhorrent sexual scandal in the Church reaches it's climactic point in the future--the Vatican would be compelled to finally release the suppressed words of the Third Secret once the events have arrived and there is no longer doubt...but in doing so, the Vatican will have revealed to the entire world that it lied to protect it's earthly interests over Fatima thus appearing to much of the world that it is equally guilty of lying to protect it's skin in the explosively shocking sex scandal near the top of the Church that would have revealed itself at that time.
So...in order for the Pope to finally obey God and release the Third Secret, the cost in the end will be epic. It would be seen as a declaration of guilt over the future sex scandal, risking opening a floodgate of litigation that would impoverish the church coffers. It could doom someone very close to the Pope, Cardinal and friend, to prison. It would be seen as an abhorrent tactic to divert attention away from the sex scandal. It would be perceived as an abhorrent tactic to terrify everyone back to the Church at a desperate moment in time. It would bring down the wrath of Russia against the Vatican.
Woudl someone please tell me, when is the ‘time of chastisement’ supposed to begin?
Is there a reason then that His HOliness and all the world’s bishops aren’t coming to Russia en masse to consecrate the country? Or do they prefer ot be like politicians who let eveyrthing og to pieces BEFORE they do something about it?
When we surrender to Islam - the bombs will fall.
The main message is really for all of us to pray and be a witness. The” secret” chronicles never stop. We rehash this all the time. Just pray most of all. Praise Jesus and Hail Mary like the angel honored her so know less a man can do also. Hail Mary! Praise Jesus for everything! Amen! So be It!
It doesn’t matter what the third secret is. We are not to know the future anyway, so instead of stewing on the things that do not matter, prepare yourself for today.
Chasing apparitions only confuses people and the message. I believe in Fatima without the secret along with Lourdes, but take the message for what it is. PRAY! That is what Our Lady is telling us. There are only a handful of true apparitions, all others are from spirits that are trying to confuse and lead people away from God.
To discern a true apparition, look for the obedience of the seer to their local bishop. If there is any decent what so ever, they are not true. Our Lady would never, never ask a seer to disobey their local bishop. It does not matter what other bishops say, it is only the local that counts. God will give the local bishop the discernment needed in approving or disapproving an apparition.
Source of this post, please.
Are you the author of this article?
Well, if you believe Mary is Divine and sinless and knows the future, wouldn't she (or Jesus) KNOW if Russia would be "infuriated"? And if so, choose other words?
A third secret element that would definitely infuriate Russia would be something along the lines of a prophecy that states: the leader of Russia at the time of the chastisement is possessed by demons from hell!
You've GOT to be joking!!! You think that would "infuriate" the Kremlin??? They don't even believe in God or Hell or demons!
Do you have a source link for this? Thanks.
I doubt he has a source. I’m 100% certain he wrote it himself. Writings like this are like the devils false apparitions, chaff to deceive and defeat the real message of Fatima, by obscurring it behind millions of undocumented conjectures.
The writer is trying to find/say/answer the question of; Why has not any pope yet consecrated Russia as requested at Fatima, and Why haven’t they revealed the completet 3rd secret? His personal conjectures are worthless vanity.
As examples of his undocumented conjecture to name a few:
“the infuriating of the Kremlin”
“the sodomite scandal having any bearing on not releasing the Fatima”
The article is accurate whenever it quotes from other sources, the problem is in the conjecturing above.
Chaff - radar-reflective aluminum foil strips ejected from aircraft with the intent of deceiving and defeating ground to air threat radars
As to the reason why they have not done it, from my extensive readings, I've come to the conclusion that it's as simple as the reason why Namaan did not want to use the cure given to him. It is too simple, and thus they don't believe it, why should they risk their hides for that? (their thinking, not mine). The Vatican for some time has gone the route of appeasement of the communists (cowardness), and ecumenism with the the Russian Orthodox (another cowardly appeasement, for if Russia is converted as Our Lady said, obviously, the message is saying the Orthodox are a false religion).
Naaman the Syrian is cleansed of his leprosy. He professeth his belief in one God, promising to serve him. Giezi taketh gifts of Naaman, and is struck with leprosy.
1 Naaman, general of the army of the king of Syria, was a great man with his master, and honourable: for by him the Lord gave deliverance to Syria: and he was a valiant man and rich, but a leper. 2 Now there had gone out robbers from Syria, and had led away captive out of the land of Israel a little maid, and she waited upon Naaman's wife. 3 And she said to her: I wish my master had been with the prophet, that is in Samaria: he would certainly have healed him of the leprosy which he hath. 4 Then Naaman went in to his lord, and told him, saying: Thus and thus said the girl from the land of Israel. 5 And the king of Syria said to him: Go, and I will send a letter to the king of Israel. And he departed, and took with hin ten talents of silver, and six thousand pieces of gold, and ten changes of raiment, 6 And brought the letter to the king of Israel in these words: When thou shalt receive this letter, know that I have sent to thee Naaman my servant, that thou mayest heal him of his leprosy. 7 And when the king of Israel had read the letter, he rent his garments, and said: Am I God, to be able to kill and give life, that this man hath sent to me, to heal a man of his leprosy? mark, and see how he seekest occasions against me. 8 And when Eliseus the man of God had heard this, to wit, that the king of Israel had rent his garments, he sent to him saying: Why hast thou rent thy garments? let him come to me, and let him know that there is a prophet in Israel. 9 So Naaman came with his horses and chariots, and stood at the door of the house of Eliseus: 10 And Eliseus sent a messenger to him, saying: Go, and wash seven times in the Jordan, and thy flesh shall recover health, and thou shalt be clean. 11 Naaman was angry and went away, saying: I thought he would have come out to me, and standing would have invoked the name of the Lord his God, and touched with his hand the place of the leprosy, and healed me. 12 Are not the Abana, and the Pharphar, rivers of Damascus, better than all the waters of Israel, that I may wash in them, and be made clean? So as he turned, and was going away with indignation, 13 His servants came to him, and said to him: Father, if the prophet had bid thee do some great thing, surely thou shouldst have done it: how much rather what he now hath said to thee: Wash, and thou shalt be clean? 14 Then he went down, and washed in the Jordan seven times: according to the word of the man of God, and his flesh was restored, like the flesh of a little child, and he was made clean. 15 And returning to the man of God with all his train, he came, and stood before him, and said: In truth, I know there is no other God in all the earth, but only in Israel: I beseech thee therefore take a blessing of thy servant. 16 But he answered: As the Lord liveth, before whom I stand, I will receive none. And when he pressed him, he still refused. 17 And Naaman said: As thou wilt: but I beseech thee, grant to me thy servant, to take from hence two mules' burden of earth: for thy servant will not henceforth offer holocaust, or victim, to other gods, but to the Lord. 18 But there is only this, for which thou shalt entreat the Lord for thy servant, when my master goeth into the temple of Remmon, to worship: and he leaneth upon my hand, if I bow down in the temple of Remmon, when he boweth down in the same place, that the Lord pardon me thy servant for this thing. 19 And he said to him: Go in peace. So he departed from him in the springtime of the earth. 20 But Giezi the servant of the man of God said: My master hath spared Naaman this Syrian, in not receiving of him that which he brought: as the Lord liveth, I will run after him, and take some thing of him: 21 And Giezi followed after Naaman: and when he saw him running after him, leapt down from his chariot to meet him, and said: Is all well? 22 And he said: Well: my master hath sent me to thee, saying: Just now there are come to me from mount Ephraim, two young men of the sons of the prophets: give them a talent of silver, and two changes of garments. 23 And Naaman said: It is better that thou take two talents. And he forced him, and bound two talents of silver in two bags, and two changes of garments, and laid them upon two of his servants, and they carried them before him. 24 And when he was come, and now it was the evening, he took them from their hands, and laid them up in the house, and sent the men away, and they departed. 25 But he went in, and stood before his master. And Eliseus said: Whence comest thou, Giezi? He answered: Thy servant went no whither. 26 But he said: Was not my heart present, when the man turned back from his chariot to meet thee? So now thou hast received money, and received garments, to buy oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants. 27 But the leprosy of Naaman shall also stick to thee, and to thy seed for ever. And he went out from him a leper as white as snow. (4 Kings 5)
Yes I authored the article.
I believe that it was a divine test imposed upon the Church. The risk involved with the test is that the Soviet Union/Russia could retaliate. Without the risk what would be the point of the test? If the Church was requested by Mary only to consecrate the “world” there would be no problems, no effort, and no meaningful test of faith.
With the Church keen on avoiding confrontation with Russia thus avoiding the Fatima requests, is it really inconceivable that Heaven will fulfill it's warnings against the Church by the hand of Russia. The Third Secret pertains to a great persecution.
As I've already indicated, the “Church Vs. Russia” and “Russia Vs. the Church” is a major theme that permeates the Fatima message, the destructive relation between the two is announced. Is this all about the past? I think not. 1960 was the year the Third Secret was to be opened to the world, so the great persecution cannot pertain to the time before that.
The only way to claim these events are behind us, is to support a consecration done by the Pope that is not centered on Russia, and believe a letter purported by Lucia is not a fabrication.
The body of evidence gets deeper when accounting for accurate La Salette English translations and certain documented comments regarding the Third Secret.
<<<’I come to answer your question, ‘If the consecration made by Pope John Paul II on March 25, 1984 in union with all the bishops of the world, accomplished the conditions for the consecration of Russia according to the request of Our Lady in Tuy on June 13 of 1929?’ Yes, it was accomplished, and since then I have said that it was made. And I say that no other person responds for me, it is I who receive and open all letters and respond to them. Coimbra, 3 July 1990 Sister Lucia.>>>
The problem with that letter is that anyone could have fabricated it.
The other problem is nut jobs like you see a conspiracy behind every corner
It would be perceived as an abhorrent tactic to terrify everyone back to the Church at a desperate moment in time.
Your tin foil hat is on too tight
It would bring down the wrath of Russia against the Vatican.
So what. Wouldn't be the first time. Also, Christ promised to protect the Church. Don't you believe him?
Except for the last few paragraphs, the articles are verbatim. Either you're the author and changed the last few paragraphs, or you plagiarized it.
You should stick to conspiracy websites for this kind of garbage