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The Amish come to Israel, ask Jews for forgiveness
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Posted on 12/01/2010 2:24:01 PM PST by Amerisrael

In a seemingly unprecedented move, a group of Amish Christians from the US made widespread use of modern technology - including airplanes, tour buses and even iPhones - in order to come to Israel and apologize to the Jews.

The Amish are most notable to outsiders for their shunning of the technological conveniences that have made life so fast-paced for everyone else. But they did not shy away from using whatever means necessary to accomplish what they viewed as the vitally important task of making things right between their community and Israel.

The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that God cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah. Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was God’s punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler.

“We are here to say we are sorry,” group leader Ben Girod told Israel’s Channel 2 News as the group visited the Western Wall in Jerusalem. “God reminded me that this is not who He is. We no longer want to reject you or look at you as not being God’s people. You were God’s people long before we were.”

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: amish; faithandphilosophy; israel; replacement; replacementtheology; theology
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1 posted on 12/01/2010 2:24:06 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: Amerisrael

this is nothing short of a miracle... an aswer to many, many prayers. now if so called believers would just get the message....


2 posted on 12/01/2010 2:25:33 PM PST by bareford101 (For me, there is no difference in a tolerant, open mind and a cess pool. Both are open to filth.)
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To: Amerisrael

> You were God’s people long before we were

And they still are.

In Revelation 7, the Tribes of Israel are called out by name. I do not believe that this is figurative, and there is no way I can see Christians fitting into the Tribes.


3 posted on 12/01/2010 2:28:13 PM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Amerisrael

Makes me proud to be of Amish descent.

It takes courage to do the right thing, and these people have it in abundance.


4 posted on 12/01/2010 2:31:31 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: Westbrook

I think reparations are in order.


5 posted on 12/01/2010 2:33:28 PM PST by tired1 (Federalize the Fed)
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To: tired1
You do realize this was nothing short of a recon mission... Every Freeper worth his account knows exactly what sort of terrorists these Amish really are.</sarc>
6 posted on 12/01/2010 2:41:00 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Amerisrael

This is unbelievably touching that the Amish would do this and shows their deep faith. This should be an example to all of us.


7 posted on 12/01/2010 2:41:10 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: Amerisrael

Amish chicks are hot!!


8 posted on 12/01/2010 2:41:10 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: Amerisrael
They should have advertised for a group trip.

There are thousands of Replacement Theology-believing CINOs who could have perhaps absolved themselves in the eyes of God by apologizing to His chosen people for holding onto such a Godless heresy.

9 posted on 12/01/2010 2:42:17 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: cowboyway

And they can cook.


10 posted on 12/01/2010 2:43:05 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: tired1

> I think reparations are in order.

Yes, the Amish can offer some fine horses, some great cheeses, good sturdy furniture, and nice home-made clothing, like drop-fall trousers, cape dresses, and bonnets.

Actually, we have many sympathies with the Amish and admire their simple and modest lifestyle. We lived a Mennonite-ish lifestyle for a while, but have become more “modern” in recent years.


11 posted on 12/01/2010 2:43:44 PM PST by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: tired1
Yep, 10 million Amish hand carved dradles and call it even
12 posted on 12/01/2010 2:44:25 PM PST by daku
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To: Amerisrael
“God reminded me that this is not who He is. We no longer want to reject you or look at you as not being God’s people. You were God’s people long before we were.”

Better late than never... that said, it was good of them to come forward... Prayers for Israel.

13 posted on 12/01/2010 2:44:28 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: Westbrook

> You were God’s people long before we were

“And they still are.”

“In Revelation 7, the Tribes of Israel are called out by name. I do not believe that this is figurative, and there is no way I can see Christians fitting into the Tribes.”

Agreed!


14 posted on 12/01/2010 2:47:52 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: tired1

A woman is sitting in a Doctor’s office, when a man comes in and sits down across from her.

He’s wearing a black hat, long black coat, black slacks and shoes, and he has a long curly dark beard.

The woman looks at him disgustedly. “Jews like you,” she hisses at him.

He looks up at her, puzzled, and says, “I beg your pardon, madam?”

She says, “Look at you. All in black, a beard, never take off your hat! It’s Jews like you that give the rest of us a bad name.”

He says calmly, “I beg your pardon, madam, but I am not Jewish. I’m Amish.”

The woman looks back and smiles, “How nice. And you’ve kept your customs!”


15 posted on 12/01/2010 2:49:43 PM PST by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: cowboyway

As I walk through the valley where I harvest my grain
I take a look at my wife and realize she’s very plain
But that’s just perfect for an Amish like me
You know, I shun fancy things like electricity

...
Got a Bible in my hand and a beard on my chin
But if I finish all of my chores and you finish thine
Then tonight we’re gonna party like it’s 1699


16 posted on 12/01/2010 2:55:53 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Amerisrael
The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that God cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah. Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was God’s punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler.

These iPhone Amish are wrong for thinking they can atone for sin by throwing away the Bible to embrace dispensationalist heresy. Hopefully they did not also join John Hagee in rejecting Jesus' coming as Christ and Messiah.

17 posted on 12/01/2010 3:00:47 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Amerisrael

Wow, I guess I didn’t know anything about the Amish. I really thought the headline was a joke.


18 posted on 12/01/2010 3:08:36 PM PST by kara37
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To: mas cerveza por favor

“These iPhone Amish are wrong for thinking they can atone for sin by throwing away the Bible to embrace dispensationalist heresy.”

What a disgusting heretical comment!


19 posted on 12/01/2010 3:11:31 PM PST by Amerisrael
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I have no idea what you just said.


20 posted on 12/01/2010 3:16:58 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: kalee

That’s one of my favorites! lol


21 posted on 12/01/2010 3:17:34 PM PST by ThePatrioticArtist (:D)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
These iPhone Amish are wrong for thinking they can atone for sin by throwing away the Bible to embrace dispensationalist heresy.

Care to expound on that a bit?

22 posted on 12/01/2010 3:20:24 PM PST by mgstarr ("Some of us drink because we're not poets." Arthur (1981))
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To: SandyInSeattle

Nor does he.


23 posted on 12/01/2010 3:21:58 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Amerisrael
The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism

Compared to who?

and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that God cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah.

As were pretty much all Christians at one point.

Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was God’s punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler.

Many? How do we know?

It would be surprising if a group of German ancestry didn't have some sympathy with Germany in the 1930s, but I'd have to know a lot more about the background before accepting the author's claims as fact.

24 posted on 12/01/2010 3:23:00 PM PST by x
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To: All

“... The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology...

... ‘We are here to say we are sorry,’...”
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It’s wonderful to hear of this Amish group rejecting the false teachings of Replacement Theology.

What Is Replacement Theology?
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-WhatisReplacementThe.pdf

Israel’s Right to the Promised Land
by Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Fruchtenbaum-Israel%92sRightToThePr.pdf

The Israel of God (Galatians 6:16)
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-TheIsraelOfGod.pdf

What About the Land Promises to Israel?
by Dr. Thomas Ice
http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-WhatAboutTheLandPromi.pdf


25 posted on 12/01/2010 3:36:10 PM PST by onthelookout777
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To: ThePatrioticArtist

I couldn’t resist. lol
I think Amish Paradise and Found it on Ebay are two of the funniest songs ever.


26 posted on 12/01/2010 3:36:10 PM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

>>>And they can cook.

Awesome pie. Lard crusts...


27 posted on 12/01/2010 3:38:08 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: mgstarr
Care to expound on that a bit?

If this article is correct, these Amish have adopted the dispensational nonesense about "replacement theology." Such an idea never existed prior to John Darby, the Nineteenth Century founder of dispensationalism. The term "replacement theology" is a false, pejorative insult against traditional Christianity.

The Jews who followed their prophesied Messiah were not "replacing" anybody. They remained faithful to God as they founded the Church and eventually brought in the Gentiles. Unbelievers were not God's people in the Old Covenant, so their status has not changed.

1 Peter 2:9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;"

28 posted on 12/01/2010 3:44:12 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Rodamala; tired1

You guys crack me up.


29 posted on 12/01/2010 3:46:50 PM PST by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: x; Amerisrael
and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that God cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah.
As were pretty much all Christians at one point.

The pejorative term "Replacement Theology" did not exist among Christians prior to Nineteenth Century dispensationalist heretic John Darby.

30 posted on 12/01/2010 3:49:02 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: onthelookout777
It’s wonderful to hear of this Amish group rejecting the false teachings of Replacement Theology.

The only "replacement theology" going on is the dispensationalist idea of replacing Jesus Christ with "Jesus the Sufferer."

How can people who do not believe that Jesus came as Christ/Messiah logically call themselves Christian?

31 posted on 12/01/2010 3:55:58 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
bunny with pancake on its head Pictures, Images and Photos
32 posted on 12/01/2010 4:02:00 PM PST by KC_Lion (Lord help our Armed Service members that they not become pawns in Hussein's quest to destroy America)
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To: Amerisrael

How inclusive is this? The Amish are a subgroup of the Mennonites, which are themselves a subgroup of the Christian Anabaptists.

Peers of the Amish include the Brethren, Hutterites, and Mennonites. Though this is not to say that those other groups believe in Replacement Theology (Supersessionism).


33 posted on 12/01/2010 4:05:10 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: KC_Lion

If this story is correct, the Amish group is attempting to atone for previous anti-Semitism by adopting the dispensationalist heresy.


34 posted on 12/01/2010 4:06:30 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor

Please define for those of us who don’t understand you what you mean by “dispensationalist heresy”.

Thanks.


35 posted on 12/01/2010 4:13:41 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Here is the correct description of dispensationalism:

Dispensationalism is a system of theology that has two primary distinctives. 1) A consistently literal interpretation of Scripture, especially Bible prophecy. 2) A distinction between Israel and the church in God's program.

Dispensationalists claim that their principle of hermeneutics is that of literal interpretation, which means giving each word the meaning it would commonly have in everyday usage. Symbols, figures of speech and types are all interpreted plainly in this method, and this is in no way contrary to literal interpretation. Even symbols and figurative sayings have literal meanings behind them.

There are at least three reasons why this is the best way to view Scripture. First, philosophically, the purpose of language itself seems to require that we interpret it literally. Language was given by God for the purpose of being able to communicate with man. The second reason is biblical. Every prophecy about Jesus Christ in the Old Testament was fulfilled literally. Jesus' birth, Jesus' ministry, Jesus' death, and Jesus' resurrection all occurred exactly and literally as the Old Testament predicted. There is no non-literal fulfillment of these prophecies in the New Testament. This argues strongly for the literal method. If literal interpretation is not used in studying the Scriptures, there is no objective standard by which to understand the Bible. Each and every person would be able to interpret the Bible as he saw fit. Biblical interpretation would devolve into “what this passage says to me...” instead of “the Bible says...” Sadly, this is already the case in much of what is called biblical interpretation today.

Dispensational theology teaches that there are two distinct peoples of God: Israel and the church. Dispensationalists believe that salvation has always been by faith—in God in the Old Testament and specifically in God the Son in the New Testament. Dispensationalists hold that the church has not replaced Israel in God’s program and the Old Testament promises to Israel have not been transferred to the church. They believe that the promises God made to Israel (for land, many descendants, and blessings) in the Old Testament will be ultimately fulfilled in the 1000-year period spoken of in Revelation chapter 20.

Dispensationalists believe that just as God is in this age focusing His attention on the church, He will again in the future focus His attention on Israel (Romans 9-11).

Using this system as a basis, dispensationalists understand the Bible to be organized into seven dispensations: Innocence (Genesis 1:1–3:7), conscience (Genesis 3:8–8:22), human government (Genesis 9:1–11:32), promise (Genesis 12:1–Exodus 19:25), law (Exodus 20:1–Acts 2:4), grace (Acts 2:4–Revelation 20:3), and the millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6). Again, these dispensations are not paths to salvation, but manners in which God relates to man. Dispensationalism, as a system, results in a premillennial interpretation of Christ’s second coming and usually a pretribulational interpretation of the rapture. To summarize, dispensationalism is a theological system that emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy, recognizes a clear distinction between Israel and the church, and organizes the Bible into the different dispensations it presents.

What is Dispensationalism and is it Biblical?

This will give you accurate information as a basis for when whatever bizarre "explanation" for "dispensationalist heresy" gets posted.

36 posted on 12/01/2010 4:20:30 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Thank you very much!

Bump for when I get home.


37 posted on 12/01/2010 4:22:49 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (When life gives you lemons, throw them back and demand chocolate.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
Please define for those of us who don’t understand you what you mean by “dispensationalist heresy”.

This system was first introduced in the Nineteenth Century by John Darby. It teaches that Jesus did not really come yet as Christ for the Jews, but only as a suffering Messiah for the Gentiles. Traditional Christianity refers to Jesus as Christ because it teaches that He came as true Messiah/Christ for all and that there are no more distinctions between Jew and Gentile.

38 posted on 12/01/2010 4:34:05 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Amerisrael
clip...clop...clip...clop...BUMP!...clip...clop...clip...clop...
39 posted on 12/01/2010 4:36:18 PM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus - Domari Nolo)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

I don’t think one need assume they are dabbling in dispensationalism in order to recognize that they were wrong to be antisemitic. It’s not an atonement, it’s an apology. Long overdue, seems to me.


40 posted on 12/01/2010 4:57:55 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Ramius
I don’t think one need assume they are dabbling in dispensationalism in order to recognize that they were wrong to be antisemitic. It’s not an atonement, it’s an apology.

The article uses the pejorative term "replacement theology" to describe traditional Christian beliefs. That is dispensationalist.

Anti-Semitism and NAZI sympathies are represented as the consequence of traditional Christianity. Atonement is a form of reconciliation after an offense. The Amish group is seeks atonement for Anti-Semitism and NAZI sympathies by rejecting traditional Christian beliefs.

41 posted on 12/01/2010 6:04:15 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Amerisrael; mas cerveza por favor
Note there's no real information in this article as to who these folks are, how many there were, whether they have the approval of their bishop(s). “... on behalf of the entire Amish community.” Probably overstated. It's questionable whether the picture is real wrt this group, since Amish women do not usually wear clothing in any color other than black. But Amish on a plane makes for good headlines. Why not just head down to their local synagogue/temple in buggies?

Probably the Hagee/CUFI (pronounced “goofy”) folks put them up to it.

42 posted on 12/01/2010 6:15:30 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: mas cerveza por favor
The article uses the pejorative term "replacement theology" to describe traditional Christian beliefs. That is dispensationalist.

One has to wonder where “Ryan Jones” came up with that one?

43 posted on 12/01/2010 6:17:07 PM PST by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: SandyInSeattle

It really was a nice thing to do...


44 posted on 12/01/2010 7:55:40 PM PST by GOPJ ('Power abdicates only under the stress of counter-power." Martin Buber /a Tea-nami's coming..)
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To: Amerisrael

“Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was God’s punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler.”

Really?


45 posted on 12/01/2010 8:19:40 PM PST by vladimir998 (The anti-Catholic will now evade or lie. Watch.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Amerisrael!
In a seemingly unprecedented move, a group of Amish Christians from the US made widespread use of modern technology -- including airplanes, tour buses and even iPhones -- in order to come to Israel and apologize to the Jews... The Amish, both in the US and Europe, have a long history of anti-Semitism and have traditionally been firm proponents of Replacement Theology, which claims that God cast aside the Jews for their widespread rejection of Jesus as their messiah. Many Amish once believed the Nazi Holocaust was God's punishment for that rejection of Jesus, and actually applauded Hitler. "We are here to say we are sorry," group leader Ben Girod told Israel’s Channel 2 News as the group visited the Western Wall in Jerusalem. "God reminded me that this is not who He is. We no longer want to reject you or look at you as not being God's people. You were God's people long before we were."

46 posted on 12/01/2010 8:49:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: bareford101; Westbrook; SandyInSeattle; The Great RJ; GiovannaNicoletta; GOPJ; Amerisrael; ...

Thanks!


47 posted on 12/01/2010 9:00:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Westbrook

I have some Amish made Cherry wood bar stools. Not for drinking, my island in the kitchen bar.


48 posted on 12/01/2010 9:05:33 PM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: SunkenCiv

It is my privilege to respond to such faith! Biblically I believe that this land belongs to the Jews, and the country stands as an example of how God is patient and faithful to a very unfaithful people.....kind of like us.


49 posted on 12/01/2010 9:28:06 PM PST by bareford101 (For me, there is no difference in a tolerant, open mind and a cess pool. Both are open to filth.)
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50 posted on 12/02/2010 6:06:43 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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