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What really happened to exorcist Euteneuer?
RenewAmerica ^ | 12-2-10 | Matt C. Abbott

Posted on 12/02/2010 11:59:19 AM PST by mlizzy

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Happy to see someone is addressing this.
1 posted on 12/02/2010 11:59:20 AM PST by mlizzy
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 12/02/2010 12:02:34 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: mlizzy

I hope this is not an Alberto Cutie situation.


3 posted on 12/02/2010 12:15:00 PM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
I hope this is not an Alberto Cutie situation.
Not a chance!
4 posted on 12/02/2010 12:21:14 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: wideawake; mlizzy
OK, so what are the options?

1) Burnout (my first thought). The man has been so busy, busy and so occupied with political and organizational issues that he's neglected his spiritual life and has come to the end of his tether.

2) A romantic liason of some sort which has made him question his vocation.

3) Issues with his bishop or the Catholic hierarchy.

4) Financial impropriety of some sort.

5)He just wants to be a simple parish priest and is sick of the spotlight and all the pressure and publicity issues.

Any others?

5 posted on 12/02/2010 12:31:45 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: marshmallow
There was some sort of dispute over his book, "Exorcism and the Church Militant." First he gets removed as president of HLI, and soon after his book is discontinued, which Human Life International owns the copyright on.

It's an extraordinary book written for priests to learn about exorcisms. Also a great book for lay people to find out more about the rite (I'm currently reading it).

If you pen an excellent book regarding the removal of Satan, you're going to get some flak (from Satan!) in one way or another. Same thing happened to Michael D. O'Brien when he wrote a book asking parents to discern Harry Potter and Twilight.

So I think it has to do with the book he wrote. Could be wrong. Wouldn't be the first time, but I'm praying for him very much.
6 posted on 12/02/2010 12:42:08 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy

We must keep in mind that we shouldn’t really venture to guess what may actually be wrong. Keep in mind the sins of calumny and detraction in our assessment of the situation.


7 posted on 12/02/2010 12:45:56 PM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: marshmallow
1) Burnout (my first thought). The man has been so busy, busy and so occupied with political and organizational issues that he's neglected his spiritual life and has come to the end of his tether.

I'm thinking the same thing, as someone who used to work for Fr. Euteneuer. He kept a very busy schedule with HLI, traveling around the world, and add the exorcisms to that and I can definitely see burnout.

8 posted on 12/02/2010 12:46:57 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

It’s not burnout (he had lots of plans when he was dismissed). And if it *was* burnout, why take his book off the market?


9 posted on 12/02/2010 12:48:50 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy
So HLI showed him the door? I was under the impression that he resigned voluntarily.

That puts things in a slightly different perspective.

In a word, politics.............personalities, egos, policy disputes etc etc.

The usual petty stuff.

10 posted on 12/02/2010 12:49:19 PM PST by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: mlizzy
And if it *was* burnout, why take his book off the market?

Good question.

11 posted on 12/02/2010 12:49:30 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: marshmallow

Yep, he was shown the door. He loved his position at HLI. And all those who have worked with Euteneuer loved him back. Just an extraordinary Catholic.


12 posted on 12/02/2010 12:51:46 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy

currently have the book at home checked out from the library...


13 posted on 12/02/2010 12:51:46 PM PST by urtax$@work (The best ki,nd of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: urtax$@work

Well, if you want to keep that book, bend up the pages and pay for it ... I’m pretty sure I found the last seven copies in our area (called around for hours) ...


14 posted on 12/02/2010 12:53:03 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: marshmallow
In a word, politics.............personalities, egos, policy disputes etc etc. The usual petty stuff.
Yes, I think that is more in the line of what happened. I would say it's almost certain HLI didn't like something about the book (and their name is on the front cover). It's a shame because a lot of work went into this book.
15 posted on 12/02/2010 12:57:34 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy

Cherchez la femme!


16 posted on 12/02/2010 1:00:30 PM PST by Palladin (Stand and fight.)
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To: mlizzy
I would say it's almost certain HLI didn't like something about the book

That doesn't make sense. If they didn't, they would have stopped it BEFORE it was published.

17 posted on 12/02/2010 1:05:24 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: mlizzy; mattcabbott
I would like to know if there was some form of subterfuge, some "conspiracy" to silence him.

But at this point, I do not want to know, if his exit was a result of personal failings on the part of this priest.

18 posted on 12/02/2010 1:07:40 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM (Liberalism is infecund.)
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To: marshmallow

He could be ill.


19 posted on 12/02/2010 1:11:38 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Pyro7480
Well, okay, but what if they received complaints about something in the book they didn't for-see? For instance there are exorcism prayers in the book. What if somebody started complaining about that (laypeople seeing these prayers)?

I can't figure the whole thing out either, and speculating is a horrible thing to do, but this is all very odd, and I'm happy that Matt Abbott has addressed this. I was starting to feel I was the only one concerned. My husband, a writer as well, wanted me to track down Euteneuer, but we figured he wouldn't divulge what was going on anyway. He's an incredible priest/writer/exorcist and we really need him the world today.
20 posted on 12/02/2010 1:13:28 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Pyro7480

You’re right. This is distressing.


21 posted on 12/02/2010 1:13:35 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Did not Fr Paul Marx experience something similar to this?


22 posted on 12/02/2010 1:13:53 PM PST by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: mlizzy
I wonder how long it's been since Hudson spoke with Euteneuer?
23 posted on 12/02/2010 1:17:45 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I would like to know if there was some form of subterfuge, some "conspiracy" to silence him. But at this point, I do not want to know, if his exit was a result of personal failings on the part of this priest.
I suppose he could have been attacked by Satan. Pio, Vianney, etc. were. And if that were the case, pulling the book makes sense sort of, so as not to frighten or have other priests involved.

Satan is extremely dangerous and Euteneuer went in without fear; the devil would love to silence him somehow, I know that much, because the book is very good as far as being instructional ... HLI (or a representative) should come forward with what is going on ...
24 posted on 12/02/2010 1:23:17 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy

bookmark for later reading.


25 posted on 12/02/2010 1:24:28 PM PST by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: mlizzy

Heck, if a layman wanted to get a hold of the prayers, they only need to do an Internet search. They don’t to need to buy Father’s book or the Roman rituale.


26 posted on 12/02/2010 1:35:20 PM PST by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Well, that’s true. It’s all a mystery to me. I hope Matt Abbott can reach Father soon.


27 posted on 12/02/2010 1:40:58 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: wideawake

Pardon my ignorance but who is Albert Cutie??


28 posted on 12/02/2010 1:41:20 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: mlizzy

He did say that he was taking time off. Why not take him at his word? Maybe he’s climbing Everest or helping the Missionaries of Charity in some hellhole and he doesn’t want to be found.

-Theo


29 posted on 12/02/2010 1:42:00 PM PST by Teˇfilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: mlizzy

This is very distressing. I hope something terrible has not happened.


30 posted on 12/02/2010 1:42:23 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Te├│filo

Ha! He’s a very open person. So while that’s a nice thought, it wouldn’t fit in with his persona. He said he was taking time off, IMO, because he got laid off, and he was just being kind. But then again, if there are no answers, one just doesn’t know.


31 posted on 12/02/2010 1:46:11 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy

“Satan is extremely dangerous and Euteneuer went in without fear”

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Exactly right. He was almost dismissive of the Devil, smiling at times when recounting specific incidents during his exorcisms. It was quite striking.

He DID cite the utter danger of Satan once he got his claws into you. The important thing was to confidently ignore him, and rely on the protection of Christ and the Virgin, whom the Devil fears and abhors.

Utterly fascinating, and all things considered, truly awesome in importance.

I hope all is well with Father Euteneuer.


32 posted on 12/02/2010 1:49:47 PM PST by EyeGuy (RaceMarxist Obama: The Politics of Vengeance)
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To: marshmallow

6) Somebody wanted him to shut up.


33 posted on 12/02/2010 1:52:10 PM PST by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: mlizzy
I think it has to do with his HLI newsletter post of 5/14/10 (The Hostile Spiritual Takeover of Our Nation) which was a barely disguised accusation that the leadership of this country is under demonic influence.

Mess with the goat get the horns.

St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the terrible warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits.

34 posted on 12/02/2010 2:14:21 PM PST by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: Thurifer the Censer
That's a great article. We have become insensitive to politicians who are liars, thieves, and murderers ... to the point that we are awash in them.

Who is called "a liar, and the father thereof"?

Who was said to have been "a murderer from the beginning"?

35 posted on 12/02/2010 2:22:51 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

A priest in FL with a high media profile (local cable show or radio show, I believe) who took a girlfriend, left the Church and is now an Episcopal.


36 posted on 12/02/2010 2:28:17 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Carpe Cerevisi

Agreed,I had this happen to a few priest friends of mine.Everyone stays mum and after a few months everything is up and running again.I never asked them but mostly when they did talk about it,it was for R&R.Respect the vocation and give him some space.


37 posted on 12/02/2010 2:44:15 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: mlizzy
There are at least a few individuals who know the whole story, but, right now, they're not willing, or able, to divulge the details. Perhaps they don't want me, or anyone else, to pursue the matter. Well, that doesn't sit well with me.

The author seems to have gotten a little above himself. No, more than a little.

38 posted on 12/02/2010 2:52:06 PM PST by Tax-chick (We know that terrorists are Moslems. I repeat, we know that terrorists are Moslems.)
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To: fatima
What I find unusual is why his book got pulled as well. If he had just stepped down there are plenty of understandable reasons, from the benign (R&R) to the salacious (Cutie).

Or if just his book had been pulled, that I could also understand, a heretofore unnoticed doctrinal error perhaps.

But both together smacks of an attempt to create an "unperson" .

On the other hand, Mr. Abbot says quite clearly: "whatever transpired is not the result of a bishop's persecution."

I pray that it is you and not I that has the right of it.

39 posted on 12/02/2010 2:56:08 PM PST by Thurifer the Censer (If you can see the altar, there's not enough smoke)
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To: surroundedbyblue

IIRC he was a US priest, of Hispanic ethnicity, who got caught up in a romantic situation with some ladies, and had to leave the priesthood. And his name was Father Cutie ... NO REALLY!!!


40 posted on 12/02/2010 3:33:37 PM PST by BlackVeil
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To: Tax-chick
The author seems to have gotten a little above himself. No, more than a little.
What do you mean by that tax-chick? The author spoke with Euteneuer fairly frequently, and so many people are now very concerned about him.
41 posted on 12/02/2010 3:42:41 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: BlackVeil

Cutie freely chose to violate his vows, reject the Sacrament of Penance, leave the Church and become a protestant. He could have repented, accepted responsibility for what he did, expiated his sins and stayed but he allowed his libido to do his thinking.


42 posted on 12/02/2010 3:43:47 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Thurifer the Censer
Yes, I remember that post. He makes himself clear. He also wrote about Obama here, and again, did not hold back. Are you suggesting the possibility that the president is involved somehow in Fr. Euteneuer's dismissal and book halting?
43 posted on 12/02/2010 3:52:48 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy

By the way, if anyone wants a copy of Fr. Euteneuer’s book, I have a few new paperbacks left. FReepmail me, if so. I can ship out the book anywhere in the US for $30.


44 posted on 12/02/2010 3:56:01 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: fatima
When the priests are on R&R, do their books mysteriously disappear from Amazon and every other book store that had previously sold them?

Your thoughts are positive, but don't add up. Fr. Euteneuer had lots on his plate when before he left HLI, and he was enthused about getting things done.
45 posted on 12/02/2010 3:59:06 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: mlizzy
I have been trying to look into this too, via Google and Free Republic. Not much info out there. However, I did find an interesting comment left by someone at the bottom of an article. He states that Father Euteneur was recalled to his Diocese “after a reported controversy”, but no details are given.

Interestingly, the commenter mentioned above also spoke of some sort religious order in the Diocese of Omaha called “The Intercessors of the Lamb”. This order, or group, or whatever, specialized in Deliverance Ministry (praying for - and with - people with demonic problems who don't require a full exorcism), and they were also into the Catholic Charismatic movement.

This group had been around the Diocese for many years. They were at the point where they were requesting that their Bishop grant them full recognition status (or whatever it is called) within their Diocese. They had apparently been on good terms with their previous Bishop(s). However, it seems there was a relatively new Bishop, who had issues with the group (for whatever reason - I do not know if they were valid reasons or not). Hence, rather than “regularizing” the group, he instead began an official investigation of them. The Intercessors of the Lamb then apparently rebelled against the investigators, which caused the Bishop to subsequently suppress and disbanded them. Not quite the outcome the Intercessors were hoping for.

Father Euteneur apparently had friendly relations with the Intercessors of the Lamb in the past, and thought highly of them. Someone mentioned on-line somewhere that he makes favorable mention of the group in his recent book (perhaps both recent books). It seems that this group was suppressed, and Father Enteneur stepped down, at about the same time (relatively speaking). A coincidence perhaps. Who knows?? Perhaps someone else can shed some light upon this.

I have both of Father Euteneurs recent books, and have read them. However, I have not looked back through them to see if they contain references to The Intercessors of the Lamb.

Either way, Father Euteneur’s book is no longer in print. A few outlets have some copies left (Amazon did the last time I checked, but they noted that the book is out of print, and that they had limited copies left). The commenter mentioned above also stated that HLI does not want to be in the business of promoting exorcism. He also states that if the book were to be republished, a few changes would need to be made. Seems odd that a book was published, only to go out of print within a few months of it's publication.

From reading the book “The Rite”, I also know that priests who are exorcists are considered to be oddballs by a large percentage of their fellow priests - who consider themselves to be too enlightened and sophisticated to believe in such outdated rituals. Much of the Catholic Church has been overrun by Liberals, and they don't think too kindly of Conservative, Orthodox priests, much less exorcists. Hence, if Father Euteneur had been getting more and more into exorcism, perhaps this fact got him into some hot water with someone. Again, who knows??

Either way, here is a link to the article with the relevant comment. Look for the comment by a poster named “Tom” on October 17:

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=38026

In addition, here is a link to an article about the Intercessors of the Lamb being suppressed by their Bishop:

http://www.spiritdaily.com/intercessorsupheaval.htm

All of this is "for what it is worth", which may not be much. It is just what I have found poking around on the Web.

46 posted on 12/02/2010 4:01:55 PM PST by Zetman
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To: ichabod1
6) Somebody wanted him to shut up.
I think you're right.
47 posted on 12/02/2010 4:12:09 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Zetman
Yes, I read all that regarding "The Intercessors of the Lamb," and thought that was interesting. Here's that comment from Tom:
Fr. Marx deja vu? Did Fr. Euteneuer leave HLI, or was he "pushed out"? His recent book on exorcism has been "discontinued" From the Spirit Daily article on the suppression of the Intercessors of the Lamb, "TUMULT ERUPTS AS OMAHA BISHOP SHUTS DOWN ORDER AND EX-HEAD ALLEGES 'DRASTIC ACTION'" (http://www.spiritdaily.com/intercessorsupheaval.htm): We live in interesting, topsy-turvy times. ... In a development that had no apparent connection [with the suppression of the Intercessors of the Lamb], it was also announced last week that a book by Father Thomas Euteneuer, the former head of the large pro-life group, Human Life International, will be discontinued. The book, Exorcism and the Church Militant, which ironically lauded the Intercessors, was in wide circulation. Weeks before, Father Euteneuer left the organization when he was recalled to his home diocese after a reported controversy. A spokesman for HLI told Spirit Daily that the organization simply decided it was not its role to promote material on exorcism. "There was no problem fatal to the book," said the spokesman, Stephen Phelan, adding however that had it been reprinted, several changes would have been necessary. Limited copies remain available through Ignatius Press. (There's also commentary from the author of this post --Matt Abbott-- under Tom's.) Link

48 posted on 12/02/2010 4:18:57 PM PST by mlizzy (Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee ...)
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To: Thurifer the Censer
Trust me if the book was pulled it came from the top Brass.Had it happen to a friend who had access to many things and approval.It was published but the Cardinal’s Secretary did not like it so it was impossible to promote in the circles he wanted to.That was a lay person.A priest is in obedience so they can do more.My friend found out a week before the book promotion.When they cut you they cut you.
49 posted on 12/02/2010 4:31:01 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: mlizzy

Forget about the book.Most times they are on R&R and everyone lips are sealed.


50 posted on 12/02/2010 4:33:20 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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