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THE FALSE GOD OF CHRISTMAS
The Ignorant Fishermen Blog ^ | 12/9/10 | GWZ I.F.

Posted on 12/09/2010 6:01:36 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman

Parents, often without even realizing it, have been teaching their children the following things about Santa Claus

SANTA IS OMNISCIENT He knows how children behave throughout the year. The familiar song says, "He knows if we've been good or bad." Also he knows exactly what children want for Christmas even if the child does not have an opportunity to tell him personally.

SANTA IS OMNIPOTENT No storm is too great to hinder Santa from performing his annual miracle of delivering gifts throughout the world. He also defies the laws of nature by flying and by coming down the narrowest (and hottest!) of chimneys! Nor should we forget his amazing ability to produce millions of gifts throughout the year. Is anything too hard for Santa? With Santa all things are possible!

SANTA IS OMNIPRESENT To visit every home in the world in one evening requires nothing less than omnipresence! Every child in the world can wake up in the morning and say, "Santa has been here! Santa was present in my home!" Prior to Christmas Santa also appears at hundreds of street corners and shopping centers throughout the country at the same time!

SANTA IS FAITHFUL You can always count on Santa! Santa never fails and he never breaks his word. When Santa makes a promise he keeps it! When he promises a child a gift, that child will never be disappointed. Children are fully persuaded that what Santa has promised he is able also to perform. The child that believes in Santa will not be put to shame! Santa is totally dependable and trustworthy!

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: santa
Think it about it... the World has made Santa a god and has he has replace Christ in many homes at Christmas.

Just a thought..

1 posted on 12/09/2010 6:01:39 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

This is pretty good stuff. I’ll pass it on to someone who can influence others.


2 posted on 12/09/2010 6:06:03 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; All

Who cares.... Let people celebrate Christmas their way..


3 posted on 12/09/2010 6:06:31 PM PST by KevinDavis (I have no problem with a black president. But the one we have now is yellow to the core)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The world has not made Santa a god any more than they’re making Superman a god.

He’s a fairy tale, and very few people over the age of about eight aren’t fully aware that he’s a fairy tale. Its a nice story for kids, not a deification.

SnakeDoc


4 posted on 12/09/2010 6:06:31 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: KevinDavis

Hey What ever.. It’s just the piont.. by the way its not call Santamass...


5 posted on 12/09/2010 6:08:33 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I’m not sure Santa hasn’t been replaced by the cartoon characters, and the cultural junk we use to decorate our trees.


6 posted on 12/09/2010 6:08:49 PM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the gods would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

You have way too much faith in people’s belief in Santa. I don’t even know kids who are that serious about him. You are describing a hollywood’s view of how children view Santa.

Why empower the myth?


7 posted on 12/09/2010 6:09:33 PM PST by mnehring
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Every year, at Christmas, we drive by a house that has a BIG cross in the front yard and a Santa kneeling in front of the cross. At night a spot light illuminates the scene. It makes me feel all is not lost...yet.


8 posted on 12/09/2010 6:10:29 PM PST by Former Fetus
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Sorry, Saint Nicholas is not a threat to Jesus. Neither is a Christmas tree or Candy canes. They are all a fun part of the season that celebrates the birth of our savior.


9 posted on 12/09/2010 6:10:41 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be ustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: KevinDavis

How about people celebrate CHRISTmas the right way, and acknowledge the reason why we even have Christmas at all.


10 posted on 12/09/2010 6:11:24 PM PST by Celtic Cross (I AM the Impeccable Hat. (AKA The Pope's Hat))
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

I don’t think Christians have switched from worshiping Christ to worshiping Santa as you insinuate; rather I think Santa is just another idol for the unbelievers to hang their hopes and dreams on.


11 posted on 12/09/2010 6:12:20 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: SnakeDoctor
The world has not made Santa a god any more than they’re making Superman a god.

Who is "they"

12 posted on 12/09/2010 6:12:32 PM PST by pburgh01
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy” — H.L. Mencken

“Be wary of the man who urges an action in which he himself incurs no risk” — Joaquin de Setanti


13 posted on 12/09/2010 6:13:37 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

SANTA IS OMNIPOTENT No storm is too great to hinder Santa from performing his annual miracle of delivering gifts throughout the world. He also defies the laws of nature by flying and by coming down the narrowest (and hottest!) of chimneys! Nor should we forget his amazing ability to produce millions of gifts throughout the year. Is anything too hard for Santa? With Santa all things are possible!

Can he whip Chuck Norris?


14 posted on 12/09/2010 6:20:55 PM PST by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Santa is coming to town. You better be ready! You better watch out! You better be good! He's coming! Are you prepared when Santa comes to reward every boy or girl according to his work?

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This is why the “theology” of Santa is contrary (and more importantly blasphemous I believe) to the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ!

Santa gives his gifts according to the behavior, works and deeds of the children - if they cry, pout etc.

Jesus Christ gives (new life and the gift of Salvation through His blood!) freely - freely to all who will receive His free gift INSPITE of the fact that they are good or bad (and they all are bad and sinners). His free gift is not at all based on how good or bad anyone has been - amen - praise God!

15 posted on 12/09/2010 6:27:31 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: All

Good post Fisherman. We must defend the orthodox Christian faith from the incursion of the modern day Corinthians. We can’t be Christians and hang onto Pagan customs as Paul admonished the church in his epistles. The candy coated paganism that is modern celebration of Christmas, with it’s gratuitous bacchanal of spending, feasting, cartoonish demi-gods like Santa Claus, evergreen trees, etc.. Human familial sentimentality aside, Christmas was neither sanctioned by the Apostles or Jesus himself.


16 posted on 12/09/2010 6:27:31 PM PST by pburgh01
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

My favorite Santa Claus story:

Nicholas, the saintly and generous bishop of Myra, encountered Arius at the Council of Nicea — and immediate beat the cr@p out of him.


17 posted on 12/09/2010 6:33:09 PM PST by RJR_fan (The press corpse is going through the final stages of Hopium withdrawal. That leg tingle is urine.)
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To: KevinDavis
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18 posted on 12/09/2010 6:47:37 PM PST by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: pburgh01
The "Father Christmas" or "Santa Claus" figure is very ancient and certainly dates back to the earliest settlements along the Euphrates River ~ many thousands of small pendents configured in the shape of a bald guy with a beard have been found, as have ancient clay statues of reindeer.

Today, on a world scale, Santa Claus is THIRD behind Jesus and Mohammad in terms of "popularity", if not theology.

Whether you are celebrating Christmas (on Dec 5, Dec 12, Dec 25, Jan 1 or Jan 6 ~ and there are other dates) or are engaged in a re-enactment of the celebrations that take place at the mid-point of the long Arctic night, you ought to be free to do what you want ~ it's definitely a time for indoor life, with friends and family, shiny baubles and fresh green boughs from nearby trees.

There are people who want to push this particular celebration as being primarily focused on religious matters, but it's also a cultural festival of equally ancient lineage. It's not likely the conflict between the common people and the puritan elites will ever be resolved, but I put my money on the commoners figuring out what to do with the coming White Christmas to have a good time.

Bring on the turkey; bring on the cake; let the table groan from the heavy weight of pies, of puddings, of strudles and kolaches, hams and sausages.

Be sure to increase your blood pressure prescription so you can survive the coming holidays.

Merry Christmas!

19 posted on 12/09/2010 7:09:05 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: pburgh01

The world ... as referenced earlier in the sentence, and in the post to which I replied.

SnakeDoc


20 posted on 12/09/2010 7:10:01 PM PST by SnakeDoctor ("They made it evident to every man [...] that human beings are many, but men are few." -- Herodotus)
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To: Celtic Cross
How about people celebrate CHRISTmas the right way, and acknowledge the reason why we even have Christmas at all.

How about not worrying how people celebrate a particular holiday? I'm not a Christian, but I still enjoy Christmas!

21 posted on 12/09/2010 7:19:02 PM PST by Abin Sur
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To: randog
...rather I think Santa is just another idol for the unbelievers to hang their hopes and dreams on.

Speaking as an unbeliever, let me assure you that I haven't hung my hopes and dreams on Santa since I was 5...

22 posted on 12/09/2010 7:21:28 PM PST by Abin Sur
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

But seriously folks...magritte


23 posted on 12/09/2010 7:23:05 PM PST by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Why even celebrate Christmas? Christ was most likely born in the fall, the current Christmas celebration is based on pagan Winter Solstice celebrations (i.e. Saturnalia and the 12 days of Saturnalia{12 days of Christmas?}), and the Bible tells us not to worship God the way the pagans worship.

That said, no, I don't celebrate Christmas, but I am offended at the atheist and non-Christian's assault on Christmas. If we as Christian's work among ourselves to get rid of Christmas Traditions in favor of more biblical Holy days, then fine, but I don't want anti-Christians to wage a war against my brother s and sisters.

24 posted on 12/09/2010 7:33:04 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Hey, Barack "Hubris" Obama, what are you hiding? Release your Birth Certificate!)
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To: Abin Sur

Good for you.


25 posted on 12/09/2010 7:34:56 PM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Jack-booted Fun cop.


26 posted on 12/09/2010 7:39:18 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Esther Ruth
Regarding theological matters, the MODERN Santa imagery comes from the far North in Scandinavia where the Sa'ami people lived for thousands of years in general isolation from the rest of the world.

For good or bad they developed their own traditions, and most of those centered on the place of the shaman and the reindeer in their society.

Just about all the things Santa does have to do with images of real life in the North. The dwarves who build toys and tree decorations all year long to deliver them to customers on the shortest day of the year ~ that's all real stuff. The red and white suits ~ see Amanita Muscaria or "Little Red Man" in Sa'ami tradition. Reindeer with red noses? They got'em.

All of these images were developed in the North as part of a normal human urge toward definitization of society and normal moral behavior.

Although these people were among the least of peoples in Europe, their Christmas imagery seems to have overtaken and overpowered that of just about everybody else, or at least gotten an edge in. Their greater experience with Arctic weather probably has something to do with it ~ they certainly learned how to make long winter nights, and dreary skies, comforting signs.

What's not to like in that.

When the Sa'ami met the Norse they were all pagans. 500 years later the Norse were actually pursuing what amounted to a Protestant religious war in Northern Europe and the Sa'ami were still pagan.

What? You'd think Christianization would have proceeded with conversions in the Sapma as fast it did with all the other people living in Scandinavia ~ but it didn't!

Remember the sacraments. Now, what about the wine? Grapes don't grow in the Sapma. Plus, the Sa'ami do not, in general, share the genes that produce the enzymes that enable people to metabolize alcohol. This is a pretty serious thing because it means that whatever alcohol you consume will continue to circulate in your body until it turns into "other stuff" or simply leaks out. It's a deadly drug in the Northland.

And the bread? There's no wheat in the Sapma.

I suspect that given the high price of imported bread and wine Christianity hit a brick wall with the Sa'ami. It was not until the early 1700s, over 800 years since "contact" with the aliens that the Sa'ami were, for the most part, converted to Christianity.

Now that's "resistance"!

In the meantime they fed their own imagery to the outside world and the world ate it up. Bright, colorful, cheerful ~ and all in a snowbound setting at 50 below zero.

Christians should "lighten up" a bit ~ if these hardbitten people living at the edge of the frozen Arctic desert can create such social beauty then who are you to reject it so casually.

Your most precious sacrament didn't even fit in their world ~ but they figured out how to accommodate it.

Finally, these are the only people on Earth who appear to have never engaged in warfare before the 20th century, and then only because of Russian incursions and German occupation.

I'd suggest the folks who brought you Santa Claus and his reindeer may have got there before you. Jesus didn't need to visit them.

27 posted on 12/09/2010 7:43:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Santa’s description comes from the Master of the Wild Hunt. He skinned an animal and wore the bloody skin inside out. That’s why Santa has a red suit with fur trim...


28 posted on 12/09/2010 7:45:05 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

“(Excerpt) Read more at”

Blog hits. The TRUE spirit of Christmas! Ka-ching!


29 posted on 12/09/2010 7:45:05 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: FreeAtlanta

Oh my goodness! You and I feel the same way about things! I don’t celebrate Christmas for the same reasons (pagan and etc.) and instead celebrate the biblical feasts. But I still don’t like the liberal’s attacks on Christmas because they are attacking it because of the Christ part in it. Stupid libs. They hate everything Judeo-Christian...


30 posted on 12/09/2010 7:47:11 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Chag Sameach!)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Why even celebrate Christmas?

Because it's fun!

Unless you're a...


31 posted on 12/09/2010 7:48:28 PM PST by Abin Sur
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
(Excerpt)...

Why not just post it here at FR?

32 posted on 12/09/2010 7:48:58 PM PST by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Chag Sameach!)
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To: muawiyah
... they certainly learned how to make long winter nights, and dreary skies, comforting signs.

In the right company, long winter nights can be quite pleasant.

33 posted on 12/09/2010 8:14:05 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Just a thought..

Grinch.

Just a thought.

Oh, BTW why do you excerpt your own articles? Why do you make your fellow freepers open a new window to read your posts? Why don't you just post the whole thing here?

34 posted on 12/10/2010 7:06:45 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Not in my home. Ask my 4 year old daughter the reason for the season and she breaks out in verse.


35 posted on 12/10/2010 10:20:54 AM PST by Bruinator (God is Great.... Beer is good.... Muzzies are.........?)
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To: P-Marlowe

A. We do NOT make or force anyone to do anything.

B. There are great links to the story and posts that people can look up.

C. When I post a post FR it only allows me to post 300 words.

D. The majority of Freepers ussally just glance over what is posted on FR by us and begin to comment with out even reading the entire post. As you have done.

E. My Friend... what do you expect to find on the religious forum? If you read the post you would have to agree that that is what people think and have made Santa to be. I see it every year. It was an object post. You are free to do what you want. We NEVER stated that you could NOT do Santa at CHRISTmas. The Grinch comment shows and proves point D.

Merry CHRISTmas and Santa Bless!

I.F.


36 posted on 12/10/2010 2:15:07 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

There are great links to the story and posts that people can look up. also when I post a post, FR only allows me to post 300 words. That is all there is to it.


37 posted on 12/10/2010 2:19:00 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; Religion Moderator
C. When I post a post FR it only allows me to post 300 words.

If you are the author, then I do not believe that is true.

RM, is there any limitation on an author posting more than 300 words of his own work on Free Republic?

D. The majority of Freepers ussally just glance over what is posted on FR by us and begin to comment with out even reading the entire post. As you have done.

Mind reading is against the Religion forum rules.

I read your whole post and then I followed the link to your blog. I would prefer not to have to follow links to the stuff that freepers author. If a freeper authors an article, I think they should just post the whole thing here. After all, any copyright you claim is yours to release.

Merry CHRISTmas and Santa Bless!

FWIW there are a lot of Christians who would condemn you for saying Merry Christmas or in any way Celebrating the birth of Christ. They are grinches too.

38 posted on 12/10/2010 4:04:41 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; The Ignorant Fisherman
The software demands certain sources be excerpted and rejects others. This blog would not be among them.

When a blogger has written an article he would like to discuss here, he should post the entire article.

Repeatedly posting excerpts or links may be seen by the moderators as an attempt to exploit Free Republic to get "hits" to a personal blog.

And yes, mind reading is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

39 posted on 12/10/2010 8:15:46 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

To P-Marlowe,

May Almighty God judge between you and me on your false perceptions, your accusations of me and your offensive position against me. What I stated is the God honest truth. As the RM stated you are taking it personal which I do not know why, especially if you listen the Dr. McGee and profess a saving relationship to Christ. If FR allows me to post the whole post and I will gladly do so. We make ZERO money from our Blog, our personal names are no where to be found and blog hits mean absolutely nothing to us. It is all about Almighty God getting the glory and us getting out is Word.

You and others have these little personal vendettas against us and like to cause trouble. If I was in a gross violation of FR policies then.. well. But it seems that I am not. I contribute freely to this organization (FR) and promote its site continually (in which also I am NOT paid on penny by FR for this free advertising).

There are countless of people from many different organizations that post their articles from their publications and websites under their own call names constantly. I am just up front and honest about it and who I am.

I know with scoffers it usually has to do with getting a reaction in stead of solving a problem… so I know that this reply is most likely to fall on deaf ears.

The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!

The Ignorant Fisherman


40 posted on 12/12/2010 7:20:34 PM PST by The Ignorant Fisherman
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