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Gospel for Asia ^ | December 9, 2010

Posted on 12/10/2010 10:21:34 AM PST by wmfights

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God answered the prayers of the missionaries by restoring Charu to full mental sanity. Even more miraculous than this deliverance was Charu's resulting decision: He and ten of his family members chose to follow Jesus. Pastor Rohan asks for prayer that Charu and his family will continue to live for Jesus.


1 posted on 12/10/2010 10:21:35 AM PST by wmfights
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2 posted on 12/10/2010 10:23:18 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

WOW! I’m convinced!!

by “the Story of Charu”

this is almost biblical


3 posted on 12/10/2010 10:24:30 AM PST by Mr. K ('Profiling' is much worse than grabbing your balls)
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To: wmfights

Isaiah 59:1  ¶Behold, the LORD’S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:


4 posted on 12/10/2010 10:28:44 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Isaiah 59:1  ¶Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened)
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To: wmfights

I do not believe in magic. I doubt this would have happened, if he had never found out or known that they tried black magic on him. I believe the fear of the magic drove him crazy, not the magic. I also believe that the thought of being delivered from the magic, is what cured him also.


5 posted on 12/10/2010 10:38:55 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr
Do you believe angels exist?
6 posted on 12/10/2010 10:45:51 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Not really, but I would like to. I do not believe that men can perform magic though.


7 posted on 12/10/2010 10:50:21 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: wmfights

Not really, but I would like to. I do not believe that men can perform magic though.


8 posted on 12/10/2010 10:50:35 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: wmfights

I don’t know how the double happened, sorry...could be magic!!


9 posted on 12/10/2010 10:54:48 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr

psychology is magic.


10 posted on 12/10/2010 10:58:50 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: stuartcr
No big deal.

I have a good friend who only believes what he can prove. I don't have a magic cure for you or him. I do believe and see evidence of God everywhere.

11 posted on 12/10/2010 1:09:35 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Me too. I believe in and see evidence of God everywhere also, not magic though.


12 posted on 12/10/2010 1:16:28 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Amos the Prophet; stuartcr
psychology is magic.

I have been following missionary activity in the 10/40 corridor for a little while now and have read and heard about miraculous events in peoples lives. I believe these reports because I know some of the people making them. The head of Gospel for Asia has spoken at my church and is well respected by his peers. He is not a "crack pot" and has no reason to not report what's going on accurately.

Also, we have had former muslims testify at church about an "inner call to Christ" before they ever met a Christian or heard The Gospel.

In the west we can't conceive of these things because we are raised to believe everything has a scientific explanation, but that doesn't make it so. All this conditioning does is make us less likely to see the miracles that occur right in front of us.

13 posted on 12/10/2010 1:18:26 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

You consider black magic as miraculous?


14 posted on 12/10/2010 1:24:18 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr
You consider black magic as miraculous?

I wouldn't say miraculous. I think supernatural, or more apt demonic. I think demons use the occult to take over people, or manipulate people.

15 posted on 12/10/2010 1:33:00 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights
I wouldn't say [black magic is] miraculous. I think supernatural, or more apt demonic. I think demons use the occult to take over people, or manipulate people.

Why be pinned down by the term and ignore the usage? In the East, mantras and yantras are simply acknowledged as methods for focusing and directing various types of power. A huge part of their traditional use is in medicine and healing. Used for evil purposes, the same "tools" become "black." Even prayers can be - and are - used positively an negatively.

Think of modern medicine technology referred to as "physics." Then think of a nuclear warhead referred to as "physics." Same single-term comprehension problem.

16 posted on 12/10/2010 1:55:32 PM PST by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: wmfights

While I would like to believe in angels, but do not, I do not believe in demons either. I believe there is a supernatural, but like it’s description, it’s unknown...as God wants it to be. I know throughout history, many people have wanted to and have said they did or do know the supernatural. I don’t believe them. It’s just one of those things that cannot be satisfactorily proven to any real number of people over time.


17 posted on 12/10/2010 2:43:22 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr
"I believe there is a supernatural, but like it’s description, it’s unknown...as God wants it to be."

What you are saying is that you do not accept the Bible's terms for supernatural beings.

angels; archangels; cherubim; seraphim;

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unclean spirits; devils; the devil/Satan

18 posted on 12/10/2010 4:22:16 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: wmfights
We have been working in the 10/40 corridor for more than 20 years. For all of that time, we have watched an ever-increasing number of people parks and housing complexes practicing combined physical-psychological-spiritual exercises, trying to appropriate unusual powers from (some would say) “nature,” or (some would confess) spiritual forces.

The same is increasing in North America with the increase in immigration from Asia.

These practices open the mind and human spirit to the influence of supernatural spirits; unclean spirits; devils.

Also, there are “philosophies,” such a ZhongYong (”the doctrine of the mean”), supposedly a philosophy, which says, “Don't be too extreme or dogmatic about anything in life——just stay in the “mean” (middle), and this will promote harmonious relationships.” It actually produces an indecisiveness in life, a listlessness, an inability to carry out plans or see anything through. People who were raised on ZhongYong and try to go into business very often fail, or have corresponding mediocre success. Those that try to earn degrees have a particularly hard time. I've heard medical doctors say that these people seem to have some form of adult autism.

That all sounds psychological rather than spiritual, and to some doesn't suggest the presence of supernatural beings.

But Satan is both the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4), and the prince of this world (John 16:11). Satan works in the political sphere, especially in those who desire political power, as well as in the religious/spiritual sphere, especially in those who seek power through religion or spiritual forces.

Where some (even on this thread) will say that the spiritual things of which we speak are actually psychological, I would say, Quite to the contrary! Much of what is called psychological or psychiatric is actually rooted in the spiritual realm, and can be influenced by supernatural spirit beings.

Satan's sphere of influence in the religious realm would include: church/synagogue/mosque/temple pulpits, Sunday School lecterns, Bible/Christian/(any) religious college/seminary classrooms, denominational hierarchies, cult activities, and occult activities, voodoo, spiritism, TaiQi, QiGong, FengShui, Hinduism, Daoism, ancestor worship, saint worship, angel worship, worship of any Biblical personages departed but caricatured by religious organizations.

Satan's sphere as "god of this world" also would include college and university lecterns, or any educational authority where the precepts of God's word are questioned or criticized (e.g. the teaching of evolution, and against the truth of Creation).

Satan's sphere as "prince of this world" would include the political realm: presidents, kings, prime ministers, congresses, senates, parliaments, courts, bureaucracies, etc., etc., etc.

We have lived in mountain barangays (villages) in the Philippines where people worship unclean spirits and use witch doctors, and who are often possessed and controlled by those spirits. We have listened in the dead of night to their screams and wails. They slash themselves with knives and broken bottles, and run naked and bleeding through the jungles. And of course, most of these also go to church on Sunday and take sacraments. Satan and unclean spirits, or devils, don't care---people without the indwelling Spirit of the Living God who open up their hearts and minds to the unclean spiritual world are easy prey to devils.

If it is "psychological," or "psychiatric," then psychology and psychiatrics (if that can be a word) are a part of Satan's sphere as the "god of this world."

19 posted on 12/10/2010 5:25:44 PM PST by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: John Leland 1789

I’m not familiar with the Bible’s terms, but it would appear that I do not.


20 posted on 12/10/2010 6:09:38 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: John Leland 1789
Great information, thank you.

The same is increasing in North America with the increase in immigration from Asia.

Not only that, but a growing fascination with witches, angels, vampires (symbolism for bad angels?) and the occult in the media. All of these are portrayed in a positive, non threatening way. People are being taught it's all fantasy and harmless.

We are in a war with evil and most people don't recognize it.

---people without the indwelling Spirit of the Living God who open up their hearts and minds to the unclean spiritual world are easy prey to devils.

It's the unsaved that get possessed. After the demons are exorcised the people saved almost always believe The Gospel and are saved.

21 posted on 12/10/2010 6:10:10 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: stuartcr
While I would like to believe in angels, but do not, I do not believe in demons either. I believe there is a supernatural, but like it’s description, it’s unknown...as God wants it to be.

Have you considered how prophesy proves the Truth of it?

22 posted on 12/10/2010 6:13:01 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

While I’m sure prophecies are sufficient proof for many, they are not for me. I think God creates each of us as individuals, with differing beliefs and requirements for proof.


23 posted on 12/10/2010 7:23:11 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: wmfights
In the west we can't conceive of these things because we are raised to believe everything has a scientific explanation,

It is not so much that we believe in science as it is that we do not believe in miracles. The west has limited its experience of reality by setting limits on the acquisition of experience. This is, perhaps, the reason TV shows about ghosts are popular.

Ridiculous attempts to prove ghosts with scientific instruments only demonstrates the fallacy of a purely materialistic (sic scientific) pattern of thought. It is a kind of reduction ad absurdum, reducing everything to the 5 senses without the benefit of thought.

Christianity is experiencing its greatest expansion in Africa and the East where a recognition of spiritual reality has a firmer grip on consciousness. In the west we interpret this as superstitious and unenlightened. These are intellectual devices that prevent us from experiencing spiritual reality. The aegis for spiritual restrictions in the west is, of course, materialism and, in its later forms, Marxism.

The US's current daliance with so-called progressivism is but the latest manifestation of a rigid, anti-God political tyranny aimed at destroying the human soul. We are long overdue for a Great Awakening.

24 posted on 12/11/2010 8:01:48 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: stuartcr

Maybe the villagers were already poisoning him. When he went with the missionaries he was able to clear the poison from his system.


25 posted on 12/11/2010 8:05:28 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: stuartcr
I’m not familiar with the Bible’s terms, but it would appear that I do not.

This is a perfect illustration of thought circumscribed by materialism.

Of course you do not believe in anything of a uniquely spiritual nature. Your weltenschauung (understanding of reality) is inadequate to the task.

I challenge you to begin reading the Bible. You will have your world view expanded again and again if you take this challenge seriously. Or, perhaps, you do not want to be enlightened by the spiritual. Your choice.

26 posted on 12/11/2010 8:10:34 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: ladyjane

Could be. I have no more info than what was on line.


27 posted on 12/11/2010 8:35:31 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Amos the Prophet

I do not recall saying anything about not believing in anything of a uniquely spiritual nature, you just made all that up yourself. Why would you make such an assumption just from comments read on an anonymous website?

I have read parts of the bible and I’m still the way God intended me to be.

I challenge you, to not use the bible as a reference for your world view.

Seems you have a choice also.


28 posted on 12/11/2010 8:44:12 AM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr
I think God creates each of us as individuals, with differing beliefs and requirements for proof.

Lets back up and let me ask do you believe Scripture is God's inerrant word?

29 posted on 12/11/2010 8:46:36 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Love the points you're making.

Christianity is experiencing its greatest expansion in Africa and the East where a recognition of spiritual reality has a firmer grip on consciousness. In the west we interpret this as superstitious and unenlightened.

Let me add this is also going on in South America.

30 posted on 12/11/2010 8:50:38 AM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

No, I don’t. Not anymore than any other religious tome or similar writings.


31 posted on 12/11/2010 1:54:25 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: wmfights
Charu had become a danger and nuisance to his village after his mental sanity dissolved.

But then he started dressing like a woman, learned English, came to America, changed his name to Whoopi, and now co-hosts The View.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

32 posted on 12/11/2010 2:00:43 PM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: The Comedian
LOL, thats good!
33 posted on 12/11/2010 2:29:00 PM PST by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: stuartcr

For me to not use the Bible as a reference for my world view would be like not using language to talk with you. Your challenge has no meaning.
I made no assumptions, merely responded to your claim that you have no knowledge of Biblical terms.
Your failure to capitalize Bible means you are either referring to some unknown text or you are deliberately insulting.
How do you know that you are still the way God intended you to be?
I know with certainty that I am not at all the way God intended me to be nor is any professing, born again Christian.


34 posted on 12/11/2010 4:48:16 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: wmfights
...we have had former muslims testify at church about an "inner call to Christ" before they ever met a Christian or heard The Gospel.

I have worked with a number of deaf and retarded people who, as adults, learned language for the first time and were brought into a Christian community. Again and again these people gave testimony that God was with them when no one else was, long before they learned about Him from another person.

35 posted on 12/11/2010 4:54:05 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: stuartcr

You think God creates individuals with differing beliefs? I believe your God is a creature, not the Creator. You are probably worshipping a demiurge.


36 posted on 12/11/2010 4:57:04 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

For me to use the Bible as a reference for my world view, would mean that I believe as you do, wouldn’t it? Your challenge is equally meaningless.

Obviously, you equate knowledge of Biblical terms with a uniquely spiritual nature and an understanding of reality, or you wouldn’t have said what you did. You know I do not, so your assumption is incorrect as far as I’m concerned.

Bible. Sorry for the incorrect grammar. You of course know from many of my other comments, that I usually use a capital B.

I have never said that I know anything, merely that I believe. I believe I am the way God wants me, because I do not believe I could be any other way.


37 posted on 12/11/2010 8:28:20 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Amos the Prophet

I disgree, besides, does what you believe about me really matter? Hopefully we will all find out if our beliefs really mattered, after we die.


38 posted on 12/11/2010 8:32:19 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr

I, like many, already know. No need to die first. It is not like a piece of democrat legislation that must be passed before its contents can be known. That is for losers.
And, no, it does not matter what I think of you. It only matters what you think of God.


39 posted on 12/11/2010 8:40:12 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: stuartcr

The Bible imparts spiritual knowledge to the believer. Your reading of the Bible and mine are categorically different.
So I should take your small “b” as a personal insult?


40 posted on 12/11/2010 8:43:57 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: stuartcr
I believe I am the way God wants me, because I do not believe I could be any other way.

By your words you are a lost soul, incapable of understanding your own nature.

41 posted on 12/11/2010 8:46:20 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: Amos the Prophet
Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

42 posted on 12/11/2010 8:53:01 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

I did not intend to read anyone’s mind, only to reply to the words being used.


43 posted on 12/11/2010 8:57:23 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: Religion Moderator

How is it possible to reply impersonally to someone making a personal statement of faith?


44 posted on 12/11/2010 9:01:44 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

In your earlier post, you might have said: “By your words it seems to me that you may be a lost soul, incapable of understanding your own nature.”


45 posted on 12/11/2010 9:05:13 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Amos the Prophet

I’m glad God created you in a manner for you to know these things.

I’m sure God knows exactly what I think of Him.


46 posted on 12/11/2010 9:20:40 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Why would I personally insult you? You can take my using a small b, anyway you like. I imagine you have already.


47 posted on 12/11/2010 9:22:24 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Obviously, that’s how you feel. Again, if it doesn’t matter, why do you continue to tell me about myself?


48 posted on 12/11/2010 9:24:45 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr
Because I believe you continually talk about yourself.
49 posted on 12/11/2010 9:29:46 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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To: Amos the Prophet

Excuse me. I should have said, “Because it seems to me you continually talk about yourself.”


50 posted on 12/11/2010 9:33:08 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (The American Revolution is just as unpopular with statists today as it was at our founding.)
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