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To: hosepipe; Salvation; NYer; Mad Dawg

Mary is NOT a sinner. As if the Holy of Holies would allow himself to be borne of a sinner. Look how the ark of the covenant was treated. It was very well respected. Mary is the living ark who bore the God-Man. She deserves respect. If she’s good enough for Jesus, she’s good enough for me.

She is not a sinner.


6 posted on 12/15/2010 5:36:41 PM PST by diamond6 (Pray the Rosary to defeat communism and Obamacare!!)
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To: diamond6
Mary is NOT a sinner. As if the Holy of Holies would allow himself to be borne of a sinner. Look how the ark of the covenant was treated. It was very well respected. Mary is the living ark who bore the God-Man. She deserves respect. If she’s good enough for Jesus, she’s good enough for me.

The ark is a type of CHRIST placed in the Holy of Holies.. to believe and teach otherwise is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit ... Attributing to another the work of God ...many believe that is the unforgivable sin ..

Jesus came to earth to eat and drink with sinners.. He came to get His feet dirty ... He washed the feet of others.. Do you not think that God could stay sinless and pure amidst sin? How foolish

8 posted on 12/15/2010 5:41:38 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: diamond6
[ She is not a sinner. ]

Prove it..

9 posted on 12/15/2010 5:43:49 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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21 posted on 12/15/2010 6:14:12 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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Mary is NOT a sinner.

Scripture for that? Chapter and verse?

As if the Holy of Holies would allow himself to be borne of a sinner.

Why not? He allowed Himself to eat with sinners and drink with sinners and touch sinners and die for sinners. Why would being carried by one be beneath His dignity?

Philippians 2:5-7 5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.

Jesus is not a snob.

Look how the ark of the covenant was treated. It was very well respected. Mary is the living ark who bore the God-Man.

Scripture to support that? Where does it say that in the Bible?

If she’s good enough for Jesus, she’s good enough for me.

Where's the references to Him praying to her and lighting candles to her and bowing down to her?

32 posted on 12/15/2010 6:43:33 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: diamond6

***She is not a sinner.***

Of course she isn’t a sinner. She is now glorified and in Heaven.

Now, Mary was a sinner otherwise she would not have needed a Savior!


43 posted on 12/15/2010 7:21:07 PM PST by Gamecock (Christian humility consists in laying aside the imaginary idea of our own righteousness....J Calvin)
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To: diamond6; hosepipe; Salvation; NYer; Mad Dawg; metmom
As if the Holy of Holies would allow himself to be borne of a sinner.

OK, so we remove "For all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23) because we now have an exception - and an exception based not on fact, but on wishful speculation.

Look how the ark of the covenant was treated. It was very well respected.

Yes, we see how it was dragged out into a field of battle, thinking that the Ark had magical properties in and of itself, then being captured and treated like an object of worship by the Philistines. Because we all know that God really detests worship of Him and prefers that we cast our affections on things of wood and metal.

I know that non-Covenantialists can't understand the prophetic languages and types concerning the temple, yet let me ask you this since you have tried to associate the two: Regarding Solomon's Temple, where the Ark and the Shekinah Glory resided for a time, was that Temple and that innermost room built by sinners or did angels descend from heaven and build it?

Now revisit your argument and explain how sinners and reprobates can build a Temple for God's Glory (which is arguably the most important thing of all) yet Mary had to be sinless. For extra credit, how could Mary be sinless, born of the seed of fallen man and a soiled womb, but the Creator couldn't, and how this doesn't evolve into a impossible regression that ends with a fallen Adam & Eve.

Mary is the living ark who bore the God-Man. She deserves respect

Then we should also worship Mary's parents since Mary would not have been around if not for her parents, and her grandparents, branching the tree wider and wider through the prostitute Rahab who must also be respected. Arguably, if not for Adam & Eve there would not be a Mary, so we should also pray to them (even if they are burning in Hell).

Has the word "respected" now been redefined into "worship"?

218 posted on 12/16/2010 6:34:51 AM PST by The Theophilus
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