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Why I Am A Catholic by G. K. Chesterton
Chesterton.org ^ | 1926 | G. K. Chesterton

Posted on 12/20/2010 6:21:26 PM PST by Salvation

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To: Salvation

Never mind... I saw 2 of 49 and thought it was parts of Chesterton’s piece (when they are just posted comments). This is what happens when one has a sleepless night.


51 posted on 12/21/2010 11:05:28 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: stuartcr
Why is that a sin?

It's alluding to the underlying master sin; hubris. Hubris deludes us into thinking truth is subjective and therefore something we can recognize, ignore or change at will. Truth is of God and is therefor immutable; that the leaf is green is not Dependant on your recognition of the fact, it just is.

52 posted on 12/21/2010 11:53:03 AM PST by conservonator (How many times? 70 x 7! (still Kant spill))
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To: Salvation

10-4 Good Sister!


53 posted on 12/21/2010 12:48:10 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Iscool

I think she means Daniel. Book of Daniel. Daniel was in the Lion’s Den. You be Cool is Cool! LOL! Do I detect a sense of humor from iscool!


54 posted on 12/21/2010 12:53:32 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: HerrBlucher

Thanks!


55 posted on 12/21/2010 12:55:19 PM PST by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: Jo Nuvark; Salvation

GKC bump


56 posted on 12/21/2010 3:32:39 PM PST by Dajjal (Justice Robert Jackson was wrong -- the Constitution IS a suicide pact.)
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To: Flycatcher

Right


57 posted on 12/21/2010 5:33:29 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: utahagen

OK, thanks


58 posted on 12/21/2010 5:34:42 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: conservonator

While I don’t think truth is subjective, I do believe that God instills in each of us our own truth. Just between Him each of us. As for the leaf color, that’s just a description of an object. I really doubt God considers anything to do with calling a leaf something, a sin.


59 posted on 12/21/2010 6:02:44 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: stuartcr
While I don’t think truth is subjective, I do believe that God instills in each of us our own truth.

This seems to be a self refuting belief, I can't reconcile it.

As for the leaf color, that’s just a description of an object. I really doubt God considers anything to do with calling a leaf something, a sin.

I think your being a bit too literal with an allegory :)

60 posted on 12/22/2010 3:16:03 PM PST by conservonator (How many times? 70 x 7! (still Kant spill))
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To: conservonator

OK on both accounts.


61 posted on 12/23/2010 5:53:26 PM PST by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for this Salvation.

The link to the original article is not working.

http://www.chesterton.org/wordpress/?page_id=1255

This one is.


62 posted on 05/30/2011 6:37:23 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore
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To: utahagen; Salvation

I just today ran across these three great Chesterton quotes:

“it is the beginning of all true criticism of our time to realize that it has really nothing to say at the very moment when it has invented so tremendous a trumpet for saying it”: from “The Proper Review of Machines”—1923. (think: internet today)

and

“None of the modern machines, none of the modern paraphernalia...have any power except over the people who choose to use them” (Daily News, July 21, 1906)

and

“It is always hard to correct the exaggeration without exaggerating the correction”-—from “The New Jerusalem”, chapter 5
( a great counsel for us on the religion forum :-) )


63 posted on 05/30/2011 7:10:13 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Mad Dawg

Ping


64 posted on 05/30/2011 7:10:58 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty
The last one is especially good! Wow!

It took me a little while to 'get' Chesterton. His is an unusual, at least to me, sort of musing wisdom, that throws itself out in rollicking essays and extravagantly worked metaphors, and then in pithy (be careful how you thay that) aphorisms.

I would say, "If it's worth doing, it's worth doing badly," was one of the most important things I learned as a hospital chaplain.

But this one is a needed corrective and reminder that the need for the virtue of justice and the trait of judiciousness is always there.

65 posted on 05/30/2011 9:56:28 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: conservonator; stuartcr
While I don’t think truth is subjective, I do believe that God instills in each of us our own truth.

It is not good for the man to be alone.

I think that each of us is an instance of the truth, AND each of us is called to his own unique relationship with Jesus, the Truth. So there is this geometrically expanding ramification of the truth.

But it is always anchored, tethered, at the other end to IHS.

Or to say it another way, just because something is uniquely mine doesn't necessarily mean it is true.

So in koinonia, communion, society, the ecclesia, the synagogue, WITH one another we get the help we need to winnow or dross from 'our' truth.


Clearly Chesterton meant "the green leaf grey" as not only allegory but as poetic image. So we are allowed, urged, to revel in all the associations it prompts.

Even the greyest of Eucalyptus or Russian Olive leaves is green. It lives! The truly grey leaf is dead or counterfeit.

Some, like the little girl who with me, in Sunday School kindergarten, used to color all the camels purple, may think that the old green is too confining, insufficiently creative and innovative, too bound by the strictures of stultifying convention.

Now coloring camels purple at least has the redemption of preposterous silliness. But trotting out -- as if it were some startling new insight, some breakthrough to vistas of a brave new world -- the idea the leaves are really grey? The wonder of the truth, the chlorophyll -- photosynthesis, water + carbon dioxide + sunlight make sweet energy! To overlook that living wonder for the palled novelty of grey leaves is to prefer yesterday's flat beer to the best champagne! It is to have given up looking for true excellence in a perverted lust for tawdry singularity, to despise silk in favor of polyester.

To approach with humility what truly is is to enter into beauty and wonder. To turn away from what is to something less, in the name of innovation or revolution, is to give up vital beauty for the pallor of constructed falsehood.

We know it is sin not by reading some copybook but by observation.

66 posted on 05/30/2011 10:23:16 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mach9
Ran across your post while reading another Chesterton thread.

Here's a hymn by Chesterton:

O God of Earth and Altar

O God of earth and altar,
bow down and hear our cry,
our earthly rulers falter,
our people drift and die;
the walls of gold entomb us,
the swords of scorn divide,
take not thy thunder from us,
but take away our pride.

From all that terror teaches,
from lies of tongue and pen,
from all the easy speeches
that comfort cruel men,
from sale and profanation
of honor, and the sword,
from sleep and from damnation,
deliver us, good Lord!

Tie in a living tether
the prince and priest and thrall,
bind all our lives together,
smite us and save us all;
in ire and exultation
aflame with faith, and free,
lift up a living nation,
a single sword to thee.

Cheers!

g_w

67 posted on 10/21/2011 10:18:59 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Hi, I’m new here and I’m just wondering where a Catholic gets their information on things like the immaculate conception, icons and relics, indulgences, veneration of Mary, her remaining a virgin, not and not sinning, succession of the popes from Peter, no assurance of salvation, etc. I realize that these might not all be dogmas but how many of these do you have to believe to truly be Catholic, after reading my Bible I don’t find these doctrines there...which version do you guys use? I’m not being sarcastic, just really curious. I’m a born again believer and have spoken to Catholics who say that the term born again is not relevant to their faith...that is interesting to me as Jesus says this to Nicodemus. The baby baptism thing is also a practice we don’t find in the Bible so where do these ideas come from if you believe Sola Scriptura? Or don’t you?


68 posted on 07/11/2012 8:34:14 PM PDT by Pete Siemens
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To: Pete Siemens
The Catholic teaching on salvation is that it is a process that begins with baptism and continues because life is not static and growth in holiness is a process. The born-again view is that if one says the right words one is "saved". To a Catholic, being born-again is a requirement for the new life just as breathing is a requirement for natural life. But one doesn't walk around asking people if they've breathed today, does one? It is basic, rudimentary. To dwell on an event as The End of the process is to ignore the process.

All the of the topics you mentioned are covered in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. The Catholic Encyclopedia is probably one of the best all-around resources there is.

69 posted on 07/12/2012 7:18:18 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: Pete Siemens

Welcome to FR.

Some source links:

http://www.usccb.org/bible/books-of-the-bible/

http://www.vatican.va/phome_en.htm

http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

http://www.ewtn.com/

http://fisheaters.com/

That should keep you busy for starters.


70 posted on 07/12/2012 8:30:37 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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