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Tea Party Leader: ‘Karl Marx’ Methodist Church ‘Religious Arm of Socialism’
ChattahBox Political News ^ | December 20, 2010

Posted on 12/20/2010 6:23:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The founder of a leading tea party group is showing himself to be quite the bizarre extremist, shocking I know. Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips became worked up after seeing a banner supporting the DREAM Act on a Washington area Methodist Church. He promptly posted an anti-immigration screed on his website, wherein he said “My dream is the Methodist church goes out of business.” He then proceeded to paint the church as a breeding ground for “Karl Marx” Communists and socialists.

If this makes no sense to you, join the club.

“I have a DREAM. That is, no more United Methodist Church. I grew up in the Methodist church. I left as a teenager because the Methodist Church is little more than the first Church of Karl Marx. After all, what can you say about a church that considers Hillary Clinton to be a member in good standing?” Today, the Methodist Church is little more than the “religious” arm of socialism, writes Phillips.

He then went on to rail against socialist “ObamaCare” and undocumented immigrants.

“The Methodist church is pro-illegal immigration. They have been in the bag for socialist health care, going as far as sending out emails to their membership “debunking” the myths of Obamacare.”

Phillips added that members of the Methodist Church are anti-American.

“In short, if you hate America, you have a great future in the Methodist church, said Phillips.

Recently, Phillips said it “makes a lot of sense” to restrict voting rights to property owners. And he has called for his tea party mob to “retire” Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN), because he is Muslim.

You may recall Philips paid former half-term governor Sarah Palin a reported $100,000 to deliver the keynote speech at his Tea Party Nation convention in February. During a question and answer segment, Palin previewed her hand teleprompter with scribbled notes on the palm of her hand.


TOPICS: Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: karlmarx; marx; marxistmethodist; methodists; opendoors; openhearts; openlegs; teaparty; teapartynation; umc; untiedmethodism; untiedmethodist
What did he say that wasn't true? I had to attend a UMC church while married to wife #1 and not having to anymore is one of the major benefits. One of our male pastors was to the left of Hugo Chavez and another female pastor spent a year at our church and NEVER preached about anything but the glory of homosexuality and what we could do for AIDS victims. Seriously!
1 posted on 12/20/2010 6:23:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Come on over to the Baptist curch! We might not look at you and the liquor store, but at least mine keeps America first.


2 posted on 12/20/2010 6:34:56 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Memo to Mitt Romney: Just go away.............)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bizaare extremist”. It worked to paint Angle with those words, it will work for the rest of the Tea Party too. Of course, it helps if you have labor unions counting votes as well...


3 posted on 12/20/2010 6:35:26 PM PST by Dogbert41
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; xzins

The United Methodist Church isn’t a monolithic entity. There is a significant conservative element within it.

Most of the time, it varies by region how screwed up it is. The Midwest and South, it’s pretty sound. The Pacific Northwest, not so much.


4 posted on 12/20/2010 6:38:43 PM PST by The Grammarian
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Methodist Church's "social justice" arm is a marxist bludgeon to be sure. Yet and still, I don't know that this is a good way to enlist the support of the undecided. Sounds more like a personal grudge writ large. Bad idea.
5 posted on 12/20/2010 6:39:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I love this guy!! I left the methodist franchisee here in my home town when they were sending money to Mugabe to kill white farmers in Southern Rhodesia. These are the most anti Christ satanic folks you can find. They are ritualists and legalists even more than others.


6 posted on 12/20/2010 6:40:02 PM PST by Benchim
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To: The Grammarian

I was in Des Moines.


7 posted on 12/20/2010 6:40:19 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet ("You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body." CS Lewis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sad to say, the Methodist Church is no longer the church it was when our family started attending back in 1946.

Today they may not even be a church, except in name only. And they may not even be Methodist either.

My mother and Dad professed salvation in Christ there in 1947, as did my younger brother and sister.
It was just a small country church that had no teaching text, just a Bible.

Even before I was 14, I could see it changing as a new young Seminary student and his fiance come to minister, and begin to teach different messages, such as dancing was OK, and going to movies was OK. And all went the social gospel after that.

Remember the quote- “A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who reads and understands Marx.” -—Ronald Reagan


8 posted on 12/20/2010 6:40:46 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I grew up methodist too.

Its a mess but it can be fixed by individual congregations.


9 posted on 12/20/2010 6:40:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sad to say, the Methodist Church is no longer the church it was when our family started attending back in 1946.

Today they may not even be a church, except in name only. And they may not even be Methodist either.

My mother and Dad professed salvation in Christ there in 1947, as did my younger brother and sister.
It was just a small country church that had no teaching text, just a Bible.

Even before I was 14, I could see it changing as a new young Seminary student and his fiance come to minister, and begin to teach different messages, such as dancing was OK, and going to movies was OK. And all went the social gospel after that.

Remember the quote- “A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who reads and understands Marx.” -—Ronald Reagan


10 posted on 12/20/2010 6:42:20 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I don't know that this is a good way to enlist the support of the undecided. Sounds more like a personal grudge writ large. Bad idea.

True enough. 5 years ago the church I went to as a child had become a full on temple of liberalism but my more recent visits have been far more positive. A new more conservative pastor has sought to bring the older congregation back to the church and he says worshipping trees won't do it.
11 posted on 12/20/2010 6:48:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

UMC statement of beliefs:

http://www.umc.org/site/c.lwL4KnN1LtH/b.1713687/k.1AAB/MethoPedia.htm

John Wesley wouldn’t know them.


12 posted on 12/20/2010 7:04:35 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Never go to a church that has a woman pastor. That itself is a violation of scripture. Read qualifications for the head of the church in Ephesians and 1 Timothy. It is men. If the church does not understand that it will not understand the teachings on sodomy. Every church that allows women to be pastors, sooner or later will give in to gay marriage and gay pastors. Remember, our faith is based on our relationship with Jesus Christ and the word of God, not an institution or building. Thus if a church no longer adheres to scripture, you have two choices, stay to reform it or look for another denomination. When churches understand that their flock can leave them for not adhering to scripture, child molestors, gay pastors, and female pastors would not take hold in the church. If people do not hold their church to standard, the leadership will take the easy way out of important confrontations.


13 posted on 12/20/2010 7:14:47 PM PST by Fee
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s right. The Methodists have gone apostate. They’ve sold their souls for 30 pieces of silver.


14 posted on 12/20/2010 7:16:41 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: LetMarch
I grew up up the EUB denomination which merged with the Methodists in 1968. My parents then left the church and helped form a Baptist church. At the time I was naive about issues.I am disgusted with what is occuring in this denomination. Does anyone know how to officially disown the Methodist church as I want out. I am still considered a life member.
15 posted on 12/20/2010 7:21:12 PM PST by Harley45
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To: Harley45
When we had young children the Church where all their friends went was UMC. I read the material in the pew and said this isn't a church but a socialist run organization.
16 posted on 12/20/2010 7:24:46 PM PST by scooby321
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In FR archives you can find the tale of my expulsion from our local United Marxodist Church because I wanted, among other things, Biblical teachings rather than stalinist tripe.


17 posted on 12/20/2010 7:46:54 PM PST by crusher (Political Correctness: Stalinism Without the Charm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Methodist Church was taken over by Marxists, long ago. And they are anti-Christian. My father-in-law, who died at age 98, watched the transformation of his church in Virgina and was not a happy camper about it.

Advocating against the rule of law and against America, is right up the church’s alley. Advocating for abortion, euthanisa, etc. is a part of the “church” now. My FIL was totally flipped out about it. It was sad to see him so disappointed and horrified. Although he was not one to flee and he worked dillegently against the Marxists, he lost.


18 posted on 12/20/2010 8:10:47 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: crusher

I was asked in no uncertain terms to leave the ministry of the Baltimore Methodist Conference in 1985. At the time I had the largest ministry in the conference with more than 30 staff and an annual budget of more than 500K. I was deemed too independent of Church authority.
I was accused of being so authoritarian that my people, in the words of my Superintendent, “Are sheep who will follow you anywhere.” She could not acknowledge that I was faithful to Jesus’ charge to His disciples, “Feed my sheep.” I was also accused of neglecting the “middle class” of my parish by serving deeply troubled, broken and disabled people to the exclusion of those who were uncomfortable sitting next to the lowest of the low.
In fairness to my accusers I had little respect for the leadership of the Conference. When they threatened me with formal expulsion I cowed and resigned.
I resigned in the knowledge that my spiritual home was no longer the United Methodist Church that my family had faithfully served in ministry for more than 80 years.
Sadly, this fine old institution that brought England and the US to their knees in penitence 200 years before has lost its spiritual way.
Yes there are a few congregations and a few Conferences that struggle to remain Biblical. The time will likely come for them to affirm their faith by leaving this much too worldly organization.


19 posted on 12/20/2010 8:43:08 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (pka: Amos the Prophet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The 'ChattahBox' chatterer didn't really make the case that the criticism of the UMC was not well founded. Just call the Tea Party Leader an extremist ... and expect people to nod their heads up and down.
The fact is that the national UMC, Episcopalian, and PC-USA denominations are blazing a trail to apostasy. There may be a few exceptional individual churches - but their national leadership have forsaken the God's Word.
20 posted on 12/20/2010 8:54:26 PM PST by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He then proceeded to paint the church as a breeding ground for “Karl Marx” Communists and socialists. If this makes no sense to you, join the club...makes a lot of sense to me - in her dying days my mother was in a Methodist-sponsored nursing home at six thousand dollars a month - though she had been a Methodist for most of her ninety-two years, since early childhood, the church could come up with no financial aid to help extend her meager savings as they ran out. Yet at about the same time the church's Board on Social Responsibility or whatever it's called was forking over a cool million dollars to help pay legal fees to get little Elian Gonzalez shipped back to Cuba - in effect taking church money to pay Fidel Castro's legal bills - the author of this article objecting to calling Methodism "The Religious Arm of Socialism" is an ignoramus....
21 posted on 12/20/2010 9:48:14 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: LetMarch
"Remember the quote- “A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who reads and understands Marx.” -—Ronald Reagan"

Awesome. It's people posting quotes like this that make FR the incredible place it is. Good show.

22 posted on 12/21/2010 4:31:17 AM PST by circlecity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Baloney. The UMC is no more marxist than any of the other mainline denominations and the Roman Catholic Church. There are conservative elements and movements within the UMC. (ie the confessing movement, the renewal movement and the Institute for Religious Democracy)


23 posted on 12/21/2010 6:44:55 AM PST by ConservativeNewYorker (FDNY 343 NYPD 23 PAPD 37)
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To: LetMarch

I’ll bite “such as dancing was OK, and going to movies was OK” —> what’s wrong with dancing or going to movies?


24 posted on 12/22/2010 5:05:13 AM PST by Cronos (One cries because one is sad. For example I cry because others are stupid and it makes me sad.)
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To: Cronos
"Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."(Romans 14:23) Nothing in itself is evil,neither movies nor dancing, except when it is loved and pursued above honoring God and His Beloved Son. The Holy Scriptures teach us; “to seek ye first the kingdom of God,and His righteousness.” (Matthew 7:33)< It is a matter of priorities; and at the age of 12 back then, I, and most of the church members thought that was the purpose of a pastor to bring us up focused on the will of God; to learn more of His will, and who God is." You and I will practice and do all these other things outside the Lord's Church.
25 posted on 12/23/2010 7:10:03 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: LetMarch
ok, so "such as dancing was OK, and going to movies was OK." is correct, right?

As you said "Nothing in itself is evil,neither movies nor dancing, except when it is loved and pursued above honoring God and His Beloved Son"

So what was wrong with what the pastor said?
26 posted on 12/23/2010 7:15:04 AM PST by Cronos (One cries because one is sad. For example I cry because others are stupid and it makes me sad.)
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To: Cronos

“Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”(Romans 14:23)

Nothing in itself is evil,neither movies nor dancing, except when it is loved and pursued above honoring God and His Beloved Son. He could have taught us the Word of God!

The Holy Scriptures teach us; “To seek ye first the kingdom of God,and His righteousness.” (Matthew 7:33)

It is a matter of priorities; and at the age of 12 back then, I, and most of the church members thought that was the purpose of a pastor to bring us up focused on the will of God; to learn more of His will, and who God is.”

You and I will practice and do all these other things outside the Lord’s Church. (Ephesians 5:25)

Jesus taught: “God is a Spirit, and they that worship Him, must worship Him in spirit and truth.”(John 5:24)


27 posted on 12/23/2010 7:18:39 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Cronos

It’s more what the pastor did not teach and did not say, than what he said.

“Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” (James 4:17)

Later, and I thank God for it, I attended a Church in which the Pastor, and the Sunday school teachers taught to us memorize the Holy Scriptures, and we memorized the Books of the Bible.

Here are a few of the verses I still remember:

“Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to Thy word. With my whole heart have I sought Thee: O let me not wander from Thy command- ments. Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might sin against Thee.” (Psalm 119:9-11)

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths.” (Proverbs 3:5-6)

“There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.” (Proverbs 14:12&16:25)

“For whosoever shall call upon the Lord shall be saved.” (Romans 10:13)

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.” (Romans 10:17)

“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth forever.” (1 Peter 1:23)


28 posted on 12/23/2010 7:42:46 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: LetMarch

ok, so you don’t believe that dancing is evil.


29 posted on 12/23/2010 7:45:59 AM PST by Cronos (One cries because one is sad. For example I cry because others are stupid and it makes me sad.)
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To: Cronos

You seem to be like the Pharisees that were trying to trap the Lord, is that so?

Whether I do or not does not make it so. To take pleasure of any kind is evil, if you love it more than you do our Saviour!

Let me ask you a question; Do you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour?
Tell me what do you think of Him, and His words, and His promises?

“He that hath the Son hath life; he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.” (1 John 5:12)


30 posted on 12/23/2010 4:07:45 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: LetMarch

actually, you seem to be more like the pharisees with ordinances against dancing. I asked you a simple question — if you believe that dancing is evil. It’s a simple yes/no question.


31 posted on 12/24/2010 12:25:52 AM PST by Cronos (One cries because one is sad. For example I cry because others are stupid and it makes me sad.)
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To: LetMarch
actually, you seem to be more like the pharisees with ordinances against dancing. I asked you a simple question -- if you believe that dancing is evil. It's a simple yes/no question.

Yes, I know Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior -- do you know Him? Do you believe that Jesus made wine from water at Cana? Do you believe that Jesus is Lord God, Only Begotten Son of God, God from God, light from Light, True God from True God?
32 posted on 12/24/2010 12:27:04 AM PST by Cronos (One cries because one is sad. For example I cry because others are stupid and it makes me sad.)
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To: Cronos

I did answer your question. It is an anwer of yes and know, I you have if seek to deny youself and seek God’s will above you own will.

Boy, you do have a hang up don’t you! All I said is the Young pastor (and he was part time then) changed the whole message of the church, and this was back in 47-48) but you could see this all over America, that change was coming, and especially from the colleges and universities.

These changes began to leave the message of Christ and of salvation from their lives. Today the churches are filled with people looking for a license “to do what is right in their own eyes!”

Is going to movies and dancing more important than sharing the Gospel of Christ with your neighbors and your families (and even your own children?)

I gave you the answer, and it was yes and know! I do mean Know, you through the indwelling spirit will lead and guide you, if you are not in rebellion!

There is no question if you believe what is given in God’s Word if you are born of the spirit.

Have you been born twice? I praise God, by His mercy and grace I have!

You surely know, we are not here to nit-pick issues, but to know Him, and to make Him known.

It does not make any different, in any of these things if you are not born from above, so that we become the children of God. Then we will have a new set of wants!
Someone told Dr. Rogers: “If I believed like you do, I would sin all I wanted to.”

Dr. Rogers said, “I already sin all I want to, one sin is too much, when you are saved, you no longer want to sin, We have a new set of wants.”

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature old things are passed away.” (1 Corinthians 5:17)


33 posted on 12/24/2010 2:54:45 AM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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